OBAMA’S KENYAN BIRTH RECORDS DISCOVERED IN BRITISH NATIONAL ARCHIVES

The Daily Pen ^ | July 18, 2012 | Dan Crosby

[Seizethecarp]

It now appears the worst fears of the U.S. Constitution’s framers were well founded as investigators working on behalf of the ongoing investigation into the Constitutional eligibility of Barack Obama have found yet another lead in a growing mountain of evidence within the public records section of the British National Archives indicating the occurrence of at least four vital events registered to the name of Barack Obama, taking place in the British Protectorate of East Africa (Kenya) between 1953 and 1963, including the birth of two sons before 1963.

The record of birth of a second son prior to Kenyan independence is significant because biographical information about Obama’s family indicates Obama Sr. fathered only one other son prior to Obama II’s birth.

The books containing hand written line records of vital events attributed to Obama are contained in Series RG36 of the Family Records section in the Kew branch of the BNA. The hand written line records first discovered in 2009, indicate several events were registered to the name Barack Obama (appears to be handwritten and spelled “Burack” and “Biraq”) beginning in 1953 and include two births recorded in 1958 and 1960, a marriage license registration in 1954 and a birth in 1961. Barack Obama is said to have died in 1982 and had married at least once more in Kenya and had at least one more child in 1968, but no record of these were found in the BNA because, according to the Archives’ desk reference, the events occurred after Kenya achieved independence from British colonial rule in 1963.

To date, Barack Obama II is the only known alleged son of Obama Sr. born after 1960 and before the independence of Kenya became official in 1963.

[Fred Nerks]

Your very garbled detailed narrative reminds me of an image of a nest of garter snakes I once saw. I can do you a much simpler version with photographs, hopefully that will untwist your knotted nickers a little:

The above image came from the website of Mark Ndesandjo on which he dedicated a book he wrote to the memory of 'David' and for this he supplied the above image, identifying the two boys as being 'David' and himself. It was immediately evident that 'David' bore a twinlike resemblance to zero, and the boy identified as Mark appeared to be only a few months older, aside from being so much darker, that one wondered how these two boys could ever have had the same parents...

The next thing that popped up was the image of the family group, and here we are told that the child Ruth is holding is 'David' and Mark is the boy standing.

Meanwhile, the image of zero as a toddler shows up, the one with the hammer:

And one of our group writes to me with the comment, 'will you look at that, those two little boys, the one on the left they are trying to tell us is David, is the spitting image of zero where he's shown in the yard with the hammer' - and I reply, yes I know...I found another one that must have been taken on the same day:

So the next thing we did was collect his little boy images and made a composite, and we included the (tinted) one from the 'two little boys' image, the one that sends you into a tail-spin each time I show it to you:

Meanwhile also, Mark releases, on a video, images of his mother with himself as a baby, and this is the same chinless wonder of a child she's holding in the photograph of the family group in Kenya, in which she's wearing some sort of dressing gown and looks decidedly worse for wear...

That the child she's holding grew up to be Mark shouldn't be so surprising, she apparently arrived in Kenya late in 1964, gave birth to Mark maybe nine months later (?) and now in that family group the dark boy appears to be around four, but don't hold me to it. I SAID LOOKS LIKE.

Now here's an honest image of Mark. I think you can see his father in him.

And the dark boy, he grew up, too:

Like I said, BABY STEPS. If you get this far, the rest will take care of itself.

[danamco]

Still looking for shipping routes with no much luck.
Came over this instead which we already know!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-HqHSkYG-Y&feature=player_embedded

[Fred Nerks]

I think what we already know is that he wasn’t born in Hawaii and his parents weren’t the kenyan and Stanley Ann Dunham. As for Lolo, I plan to show you that we DON’T KNOW who he was either.
And if that video was banned, what’s it doing still up there?

[Fred Nerks]

[Fred Nerks]

He had a passport in his own name by the look of it, how can we be sure he arrived in Hawaii FROM Indonesia? We can't. He obviously arrived alone from where-ever he came from.

But wait a moment...could this be when LIA came to Hawaii? She apparently said she spent three months there on a holiday. But we can't ask her, she died suddenly.

I wonder...if she returned to Indonesia on her own? Apparently Madelyn gave her a monkey doll. She still had it when she was photographed before she died of high cholesterol

lia obamas adopted sister died suddenly

[Seizethecarp]

“Think about it, she's been caring for the child of ANNA since the boy was almost four years of age and now comes Auma with zero and they tell her that he is the son of the white woman he married in the US.”

Pure Conspiracy Theory unsupported by a single document or witness.

You now claim that Ruth was caring for Roman (son of Senior Asian-American wife) since 1964, so let me share with FReepers what Ruth told Maraniss she was doing in late 1964 and 1965 prior to the birth of Mark in Barack Obama: The Story:

begin quote

from pages 201-202:

After struggling with a job at the Nation
newspaper, she found more suitable employment at Nestle in the industrial area of Nairobi, working as personal secretary to the chief executive officer. With her boss's help, she was able to buy a new Peugeot 204 and learned how to drive on the left side of the road. After work she often joined her husband at the Starlight Club, a hangout in Integrity Center that had become the whirling vortex of Nairobi's fun-loving nightlife. “Oh, it was a rocking place. We had a great time,” she said later. “with all the prostitutes, and everyone else too. Including [Tom] Mboya. Everybody went there. Very many prostitutes, all over the place. But they had great music. They had Congolese music. everybody was jumping and rocking. beautiful. What a great time, for people who like to drink and dance. I got tired at three in the morning, but Barack would be able to stay until four or five and then we'd go home.

from page 207:

Adede was killed on the spot. Obama made it home with only minor injuries.
It turned out that Ruth was pregnant by then, a condition that she had not expected or wanted. She felt increasingly fearful of her husband and thought about having an abortion, but was not able to follow through on a decision. “I was very unhappy...I was very lonely. And I was on my own. I had nobody. I was crying lots of nights...and I didn't want a baby. I didn't know anything about babies...I wasn't one of those people who thought about that, and then it happened. In fact I was one of those who thought I would never have a baby.” Mark was born late that fall, on November 28. His Luo name was Okoth, which means “born when it is raining.”
The baby transformed Ruth; his presence mande her feel euphoric. Whatever else was happening in her world, she had him.

end quote

Regarding any babysitting of an alleged son of BHO Sr. named Roman in Kenya, as you can see in her very personal account above shared with Maraniss (on tape, I believe) Ruth was a wild party animal in late 1964 and early 1965 working all day and drinking and dancing all night surrounded by politicians and prostitutes with no sign of "Roman" Obama or any other child or baby being in her care until the birth of her own cherished Mark on November 28, 1965.

Many of these details can be verified and corroborated and they been, while the mystery birth and travel of "Roman" Obama, the alleged "original" BHO II from Hawaii to Seattle to Kenya is totally unverified, undocumented and unobserved in any way. Two photo events in which he appears to be the same age, but were taken three years apart "doesn't pass the smell test" as we CPAs say.

[danamco]

My head is spinning, like Kenny Bunk told me, better to get off this thread before my head explodes.

Lia visit Madelyn in Hawaii, hmmm, who paid for that?

Indonesia is quite a poor country, when you can get Indonesian crew members to work on U.S. cruise ships for what we would call minimum pay. As I understand from these crew members that minimum pay goes a long way in Indonesia.

It could not have be inexpensive to cross the Pacific at that time.

[danamco]

My head is spinning, like Kenny Bunk told me, better to get off this thread before my head explodes.

Lia visit Madelyn in Hawaii, hmmm, who paid for that?

Indonesia is quite a poor country, when you can get Indonesian crew members to work on U.S. cruise ships for what we would call minimum pay. As I understand from these crew members that minimum pay goes a long way in Indonesia.

It could not have be inexpensive to cross the Pacific at that time. It was long before the tourist industry start pressing travel prices down.

[Fred Nerks]

I can see that I am not discussing anything with you, I might as well be having a conversation with Bill Ayers, or Sally Jacobs, or any one of the other authors who tell varying tales about the adventures of the people around zero, and now it's Manariss I am 'talking' to. You're a joke. You can't trust yourself to have an opinion, you need to be told what to think. But what's really sad is that you miss all the interesting bits, like Ruth saying how the house was always full of relatives and children, and Malik saying how he grew up with Barack Hussein Obama...there must be a mountain of books you can quote from by now. Pity is, most of them contradict each other. Don't forget Malcolm Marable, he's got a good one out, he says he researched it for 10 years. That's because he was in charge of the Malcolm X archive at Columbia, I guess. The daughters of MX are furious with him, for wrIting that both their mother and father had affairs.

Live happy in your straight-jacket world, where no light nor truth shines in, and both are contained only on the pages of the books you read. It's got to be one of the pitfalls of your profession, IF IT'S NOT ON PAPER, IT DOESN'T EXIST. You are far far too easy to fool/impress...but I'm telling you now, I plan to continue, there's more to the story others deserve to see, whether it suits your CPA fossilized brain or not. That poor woman has been through h+ll, she wants to keep her life and her school, she loves the children from what I can gather, she will tell the story in whatever way will keep her safe.

[Fred Nerks]

There’s just so much out there that isn’t known. The story about Lia is an example.

[tsowellfan]

This may work even if you do not have Twitter. Here’s a live streaming of top conservative Tweets and Hannity’s Let Not Your Heart Be Troubled tweets.

http://www.cafenetamerica.com/forums.html

[Fred Nerks]

And on second, third or fourth thoughts, I am really beginning to wonder, what possible motive could you have to be so determined to prevent me from trying to show in words and pictures, the results of the researches and comments made by a number of freepers over a period of almost two years...why is it, that every time I post something that our group has found of interest, there you are, with your pitchfork, like some kind of grim reaper? You’ve been at it from the moment I started and haven’t allowed a single comment of mine to stand without an instant attack. Is someone paying you?

[little jeremiah]

That poor woman has been through h+ll, she wants to keep her life and her school, she loves the children from what I can gather, she will tell the story in whatever way will keep her safe.

That's exactly what I was thinking. The idea that she would tell the truth to Maraniss or whatever his name is! She wants to live! Or Mark - changing the photo of the misnamed boys, then pulling it - he wants to live, too.

[Seizethecarp]

“Kezia, if she continued with her pregnancy, would have given birth in 1961, after he married Ann, if he did marry her. The biographer mentions the pregnancy but not its eventual resolution. Would Kezia’s child be considered Sr.’s child, because he was her husband of record?”

That would be true in the US. Yet, this was a hearsay account 50 years after the fact and, IIRC, the elder gentleman seems to have wanted to put the best spin on the Stanley Ann marriage for the sake of the reputation of his friend who we know was a beast.

There is no evidence yet of such a child, but this possibility is a reason why the original records in the BNA need to be revealed.

[Fred Nerks]

Are we forgetting who is Prime Minister of Kenya? Raila Odinga, whose father, Jaramoghi Oginga Odinga sent one son to the Lumumba University in Moscow and Raila to a communist school in East Germany. Jaramoghi Oginga Odinga, the father of the current Prime Minster was known in Kenya as THE NEMESIS OF MBOYA. The same Oginga Odinga who visited Malcom X in Atlanta in 1960. Ruth, according to our resident bookworm, told the author that Tom Mboya was, a number of times by the sound of it, at the venue where there were so many prostitutes. Really?

Mboya married Pamela Mboya in 1962 (herself a daughter of the politician Walter Odede). They had five children, including daughters Maureen Odero, a high court judge in Mombasa, and Susan Mboya, a Coca-Cola executive who continues the education airlift program initiated by Tom Mboya...

I'm truly shocked and surprised that she would refer to Tom Mboya in that context, considering it was her own husband who was the last person to see Tom alive on the day that he was killed outside a pharmacy in Nairobi, and after being required to surrender his passport, had to testify at the subsequent trial.

She's also obviously not aware, or the author isn't, that the kenyan student who arrived in Hawaii in August 1959 was in no way connected to the student airlift which landed at Idlewild fully one month later, and was met by Cora Weiss and Malcolm X. Ruth may or may not have made that comment, (I doubt it) and the author would have served himself better to have left that out.

Now one wonders at the motive. The myth of a friendship between these two men must be seen to be continued?

LINK

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[Fred Nerks]

Haven't been able to find the article, but this is cute:

With your mention of the Boston Globe article, I noticed that it mentions the divorce of Sr and Ruth the previous year of 1973. According to all reports Sr and Ruth were married for a total of 7 years(which would put the year of their marriage at 1966) and yet from all I have been able to find out Mark Obama Nidesand was born in 1964 and David was born in 1969. Another part of the Boston Globe article which doesn’t ring true is that Sr’s two oldest children, Roy and Auma, lived with Sr and Ruth. This doesn’t fly in the face of Kezia’s claims that she didn’t know about Ruth until after the two ran into each other at the hospital after one of Sr’s many car accidents. It is definitely one extremely tangled web!

89 posted on Sunday, 1 March 2009 9:35:27 AM by Chief Engineer

No courtesy ping, Chief is R.I.P but we remember him.

[Seizethecarp]

“The above image came from the website of Mark Ndesandjo on which he dedicated a book he wrote to the memory of ‘David’ and for this he supplied the above image, identifying the two boys as being ‘David’ and himself. It was immediately evident that ‘David’ bore a twinlike resemblance to zero, and the boy identified as Mark appeared to be only a few months older, aside from being so much darker, that one wondered how these two boys could ever have had the same parents...”

IMO your comment betrays an awareness on your part that your time-line for your alternate cast of characters for these photos is not possible, just as I have suggested.

How so?

After I posted my previous comment I realized a problem even more glaring then the ones I pointed out and which you have yet to explain, i.e. how the “dark boy” (supposedly Roman) can look the same in 1964 with Barry as he does in 1967-68 with Mark, the dates that you need for the photos to fit your narrative as best as I can determine.

IIRC, the most recent birth year you mention for Roman, “the original BHO II,” is 1961, and that is what I see on the web, specifically Jan 8, 1961. The problem is, if Barry and Roman were both born in 1961, they would be only seven month apart in age!

I had planned to come back on the thread and point out what is obvious to any parent which is that these two boys are approximately two YEARS apart in age, so it can't possibly be Barry and Roman in the studio photo because they were both born in 1961!

But you had already replied and what do I find in your reply? Suddenly you opine that “the boy identified as Mark appeared to be only a few months older.” A few MONTHS older, as in SEVEN months.

I believe you came to the same realization that I did and decided to try to preemptively adjust the perception of the photo that you yourself claim to be Barry and Roman to try and save your narrative by claiming they look a few months apart in age.

It does not wash. Any parent can see they are several years apart which is in fact true because that is the age difference between Mark and David and that is a picture of them.

The jig is up Fred Nerks! That picture cannot be Barry and Roman.

From a forensic standpoint the appearance of a child, especially a small child, simply cannot be relied on for identification of a parent. But, if anything, your insistence that David looks so much like Barry only argues for a higher probability that they have the same father and that Barry's father is NOT Frank Marshall Davis or Malcolm X.

Thanks for your excellent work on the photos. It is invaluable.

[Fred Nerks]

...I think you said 1961 was the birth year and that is what Roman Obama of Ghana uses.

That needs to be straightened out. What I refer to is the Background Report the PI received as the result of entering the name into Search:

AND THE ABOVE IS WHAT CAME OUT. I CONTINUE TO ASK:

What was it that linked the man with the address in Greenwood Avenue, with someone from EQUATORIAL GUINEA?

I also make the observation that the birthdate on the document, shown as 8/01/61 may not be August 1, 1961.

If that date found its way into the file on a visitor from Equatorial Guinea, then the date would be JANUARY 8, 1961.

[ponygirl]

Russian ancestors....mmm mmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Please tell me you are not serious. What a load of cranberries. You are actually taking into consideration the foaming nonsense of some delusional dingbat in Topeka Kansas who claims that Dunham is related to the Romanovs? As in ... the Tsar of Russia whose entire family was assassinated in 1918? Honey, that is so far off the deep end that you're back to shallow again.

No wonder the MSM is laughing their butts off.... At least with the Malcolm X stuff there is somewhat of a doppelgänger resemblance.

[Fred Nerks]

... The problem is, if Barry and Roman were both born in 1961, they would be only seven month apart in age!

You need go no further. That is right. Look at the two little boys photograph again, and ask yourself, what was it that Mary the babysitter said, before she was forced by WND at second interview to correct herself?

She said - she babysat for ANNA when her own daughter, who was born in July, 1959, was 18 months of age. She later said, when it became obvious that in January 1961, SAD would still have been in High School somewhere...that the child she babysat was SEVEN MONTHS OF AGE. And when that seven months was added to the fiction of a birthdate for zero, the dates of the baby-sitting were once more adjusted to 'early 1962'

And truly, the remainder just doesn't make any sense. You wrote:

After I posted my previous comment I realized a problem even more glaring then the ones I pointed out and which you have yet to explain, i.e. how the “dark boy” (supposedly Roman) can look the same in 1964 with Barry as he does in 1967-68 with Mark, the dates that you need for the photos to fit your narrative as best as I can determine.

You are going to have to show me the photograph in which 'the dark boy looks the same in 1964 with Barry as he does in 1967-68 with Mark...

Because the dark boy in the two little boys photograph, if that's what you mean, is around two+ and in the Kenya family group he's four going on five.

So don't tell me, show me.