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Math-Challenged Silly People Voting Libertarian Cost GOP Victory in At Least 9 Congressional Races
Reaganite Republican ^ | 16 November 2012 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 11/16/2012 3:21:20 AM PST by Reaganite Republican



The good news comes via instapundit:

PEOPLE WILL LOVE THIS: Libertarians provided the margin for Democrats in at least nine elections. It’s particularly sad that libertarians didn’t back Mia Love. Really, you’re not going to vote for a candidate whose favorite economist is Bastiat? Apparently not.


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So thanks Paulbot idiots- it all went-down just like we told you it was going to.

Any independent or Libertarian candidate running on the right is as much an enemy to American conservatives as are the progs: in our two-party system these people have zero chance of achieving real power or accomplishing anything meaningful, and are about as relevant as the Whig Party.  

That is, unless you count 'handing elections to Democrats', where they get to throw a tantrum, be heard, and do damage to conservatives- why does anybody think Ron and Rand Paul ran as Republicans? Because they want to WIN and take power, not sit at home dreaming about it- that's why

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To: tacticalogic

“Have you been applying that argument in the context of the regulation of posession and distribution of all drugs, whether they are imported or not?”

Hence my point earlier about WA ensuring that distribution within the state originates from WA only and not points northward. From what I can see, WA is unwilling to police it, and until they are willing to make sure that distribution within the state comes from WA only - then this is really a non-starter.

My fear is that dope will be smuggled into WA, stamped with ‘made in WA’, and shipped everywhere in the US. What is WA’s plan to make sure this doesn’t happen?


221 posted on 11/17/2012 5:03:08 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: JCBreckenridge
You do not appear to have answered the question.

If you aren't going to, say so now.

222 posted on 11/17/2012 5:09:35 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Hence my point earlier about WA ensuring that distribution within the state originates from WA only and not points northward. From what I can see, WA is unwilling to police it, and until they are willing to make sure that distribution within the state comes from WA only - then this is really a non-starter.

Bloomberg believes that all the other states should ban handguns to prevent them from being brought into New York. He believe that enacting that ban should obligate everyone else to help him enforce it.

223 posted on 11/17/2012 5:17:00 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: JCBreckenridge
By arguing that controlled substances are an enumerated power of the federal government per impost duties?

Once again, fedgov regulation of intrastate drug policy is not based on the power to regulate commerce with foreign nations. It is based on the expansive view (Wickard v Filburn) of Congress's power to regulate commerce among the several states. Got that?

That is exactly what you support when you support fedgov control of intrastate drug policy. Again, how do you justify trampling the Tenth Amendment?

224 posted on 11/17/2012 5:26:19 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H

How exactly does WA plan to regulate drug smuggling into WA for the purposes of evading federal authority?


225 posted on 11/17/2012 10:18:17 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: tacticalogic

Once again - drugs = guns.

Where is there an amendment which states you have a right to use pot? The two are not equivalent.


226 posted on 11/17/2012 10:19:36 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: tacticalogic

Answered your question already. Answer mine. :)


227 posted on 11/17/2012 10:20:55 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: Reaganite Republican

How about you deal with the problem the easier way, pass laws to say run-off elections must be held if no candidate gets over 50%? If there was no run-off in the Texas Senate primary, Ted Cruz would be the loser. Instituting runoff elections is a lot easier than trying to identify and convince all the libertarian voters to change their vote.


228 posted on 11/17/2012 10:29:19 PM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: corkoman
If republicans wish to win one day they might consider the skills needed to form a coalition. As long as they disparage and belittle those who don't think exactly as they do good luck with those close elections.

I agree. The Republican party needs to stop criticizing, attacking, belitting, and taking party funds away from pro-lifers and social conservatives.

229 posted on 11/17/2012 10:31:17 PM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: Wuli

Dodge.

If you allow for abortions, then you are pro-abortion. It’s that simple.

If I say, “Murder is wrong.”, but then say, “It’s OK to murder in Idaho.”, do you not see the contradiction?

It has nothing whatsoever to do with what Idahoans legally enact. Murder in Idaho would still be a violation of “Life”, a right given by God and not by any state or legislative body.

Not such a far-fetched example,actually. For we believe that abortion is the unlawful taking of life without due process after the commission of some high crime.


230 posted on 11/18/2012 3:11:55 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: JCBreckenridge
You should be worried about CO rather than WA. It will be legal under CO law for adults to grow six plants. I'd sure like to know how the feds are going to stop that.

I'm having a good chuckle over the fact that all of CO is now potentially one gigantic indoor growing operation, and there isn't a damn thing the feds can do about it. How rich!

231 posted on 11/18/2012 3:18:14 AM PST by Ken H
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To: JCBreckenridge
If that was your answer, then the answer is "Yes you are". The power to regulate commerce "with foreign nations" is not the same as the power to regulate commerce "among the serveral states".

You are conflating them and destroying that distinction when you use the example of the the federal government imposing a tariff or embargo on foreign goods with them regulating the movement of goods between the states.

Please explain why you want to destroy that distinction, and subvert the intent of the clause.

As for your question, I don't know what WA's plan is to prevent that, nor can I find anything that dictates that they need one. The architecture of the republic laid out in the Constitution makes each state a sovereign government, able to exercise within it's own borders any power that was not transferred to the national government. With power comes responsibility, and the resonsibility for enforcing those laws falls on the state that enacted them. A state may enter into agreements with neighboring states to cooperate in enforcement of those laws, but they are not obligated to commit resources to enforcing the laws of a neighboring state.

If the state of Washington wants to permit the posession of marijuana, an the state of Oregon does not, then it is the responsibility of the state of Oregon to enforce that restriction on it's citizens.

If enough states what to prohibit the posession of marijuana and grant the federal government the authority to enforce that prohibition they can propose and ratify an amendment to that effect, and then the federal government will be legitimately authorized to exercise that power. The is the purpose of the process of amendment. Calling it an exercise in "regulating commerce" is a corrpution of the intent of the Commerce Clause, and frankly it's bullshit, and dangerous bullshit at that.

232 posted on 11/18/2012 5:02:29 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Where is there an amendment which states you have a right to use pot?

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

233 posted on 11/18/2012 5:12:36 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

I don’t see marijuana anywhere mentioned inside Amendment X.

Meanwhile, the Second Amendment explicitly protects the right to bear arms.


234 posted on 11/18/2012 5:43:20 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: Ken H

You think dopeheads and cleaning up after their bs is *funny*?

Wow. Completely oblivious.


235 posted on 11/18/2012 5:45:05 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Meanwhile, the Second Amendment explicitly protects the right to bear arms.

Doesn't say anything about manufacturing, buying, or selling them though, does it?

236 posted on 11/18/2012 5:45:47 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

If they want to draw a sharp line between the two - then they need to police it.

“I don’t know what WA’s plan is to prevent that”

Then I’m not going to support their plan. Sorry. There’s reality and there’s the ‘cross your fingers and hope it all works out’ plan that’s going to work out so spectacularly well for WA.

“The architecture of the republic laid out in the Constitution makes each state a sovereign government, able to exercise within it’s own borders any power that was not transferred to the national government.”

Power to regulate controlled goods is an enumerated power of the federal government. You’ve studiously avoided this argument throughout.

“With power comes responsibility”,

Where is WA going to take the responsibility for increased drug use and dependency? Is the rest of the nation going to have to foot the bill for treatment because of Obamacare?

“If the state of Washington wants to permit the posession of marijuana, an the state of Oregon does not, then it is the responsibility of the state of Oregon to enforce that restriction on it’s citizens.”

Yet, with the Obamacare mandate, other states will be forced to pay for WA’s healthcare. States are not ‘independent entities’, and the welfare of WA has become the problem for everyone else.

“Calling it an exercise in “regulating commerce” is a corrpution of the intent of the Commerce Clause, and frankly it’s bullshit, and dangerous bullshit at that.”

As usual - libertarians are side by side seeking the camel under the tent - let the states push in liberal cause de jour in a few states, then force it on the nation. Frankly, conservatives are sick of it.

But, we know it’s all going to collapse. The more hippy dippy bullshit you pile on, the faster. So good luck.


237 posted on 11/18/2012 5:52:12 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Then I’m not going to support their plan.

If you are a citizen of the state of Washington, that is your choice to make, and I say good for you.

238 posted on 11/18/2012 5:55:34 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

BTW your beloved hero Madison also believed that the federal government could never raise an army larger than the militias. Seems like he was a prophet. The BOR was necessary and it’s a damn good thing we have it.

Are you willing to concede that the right to bear arms is explicit? As opposed to your dope possession nonsense?


239 posted on 11/18/2012 5:56:44 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: tacticalogic

Then WA can pay for their own treatment plans and not seek a handout from Texas.


240 posted on 11/18/2012 5:58:40 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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