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Left convinced Americans will not fight for 2nd Amendment rights
Coach is Right ^ | 1/7/13 | Doug Book

Posted on 01/07/2013 8:30:30 AM PST by Oldpuppymax

Once cowed at the thought of provoking 2nd Amendment supporters, leftists will soon attempt to ban “assault weapons” (and much more) as legislation offered by Diane Feinstein makes its way to the Senate floor. It seems that DC liberals have finally become convinced that American gun owners are too cowardly, too lazy or too dependent upon the financial "generosity" of Big Brother to fight for their 2nd Amendment rights.

During the past 4 years, the gun banning left have watched as American buyers broke sales records in the purchase of semi-automatic rifles. Opting for these and other powerful, efficient weapons it is estimated that some 100 million private citizens are now in possession of over 300 million firearms. And these numbers continue to grow with each passing month.

Yet it’s against this backdrop of America’s determination to assert the fundamental permanence of 2nd Amendment guarantees that Diane Feinstein, Michael Bloomberg, Barack Obama and others will choose to implement gun bans, demand the federal registration of...

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1 posted on 01/07/2013 8:30:35 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
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2 posted on 01/07/2013 8:34:07 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Oldpuppymax

I’m becoming more convinced that the left wants a fight. Then they can declare martial law.


3 posted on 01/07/2013 8:35:07 AM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: Oldpuppymax

I think they’re right.

Unless somebody starts organizing military opposition, they will just pick-off gun owners one-by-one, raiding one house at a time for those who don’t surrender.

They’re already prepared to kill for this.


4 posted on 01/07/2013 8:38:28 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: kosciusko51

They need us to lose our cool. Why? So that they can ban guns.

They can poke us at no cost to themselves using government force.


5 posted on 01/07/2013 8:38:43 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: kosciusko51
"I’m becoming more convinced that the left wants a fight. Then they can declare martial law."

Yep, they want the excuse to use the military and police weapons of state tyranny against legal gun owners. And if the country is destroyed in the fight, well that is good too because they, like Obama, despise the US and want it brought down.

6 posted on 01/07/2013 8:38:43 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Oldpuppymax

Time for a little ‘civil disobedience’...or maybe a lot. They are trying desperately to provoke us. And my advice to them is to be VERY careful what you wish for.


7 posted on 01/07/2013 8:38:52 AM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: kosciusko51

The left is begging for extermination. Either us or them.

Obama’s architects are open that 20-30 million Americans will have to be killed to usher in the new era.


8 posted on 01/07/2013 8:39:10 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: listenhillary
They need us to lose our cool. Why? So that they can ban guns.

That's exactly it. We need to stop playing defense and force the GOP to go on the offense on multiple fronts and force them to lose control..
9 posted on 01/07/2013 8:41:54 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Oldpuppymax

That;s what they’re counting on because they’ve seen other coutnries citizens who ‘vowed never to give up their guns’ just give them up when pushed o nthe issue withoyut haqrdly any fight- same thing will happen here too and the democrats know this full well- 100 years ago thsi would never have hsappened, howerver, today, peopel are so self centered that they have attached themselves to the government’s teet and will NOT give it up regardless of how many constitutional rights they lose


10 posted on 01/07/2013 8:42:51 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: listenhillary
They need us to lose our cool. Why? So that they can ban guns.

If "we" lose our cool, then it's too late to ban guns.

They need us to continue to think we need to stay cool--then they can ban guns by the same incrementalism they've used for the past 60 years to get to where we are now.

11 posted on 01/07/2013 8:44:20 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Oldpuppymax
I am skeptical of gun control legislation passing either house, with the Senate's rules, and especially the more conservative House. But we shall see. Certainly, the left would love to take advantage of the current "crisis" atmosphere being ginned up and sustained by their media flunkies.
12 posted on 01/07/2013 8:45:19 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Westbrook
They’re already prepared to kill for this.

This is my feeling too.

13 posted on 01/07/2013 8:48:17 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Hardraade

We outnumber them by a hundred million or more. And their access to the power of the state will not last for long, the police & military will not go along for long.


14 posted on 01/07/2013 8:50:55 AM PST by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: CottShop

Another obama healthcare, thats what they will do.


15 posted on 01/07/2013 8:52:57 AM PST by 0311
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To: hinckley buzzard
I am skeptical of gun control legislation passing either house, with the Senate's rules, and especially the more conservative House

I agree, but with one concern. I think we're going to see a media blitz unlike anything we've ever seen. And if another large shooting occurs, . . . well . . it's over.

16 posted on 01/07/2013 8:56:15 AM PST by aimhigh ( Guns do not kill people. Planned Parenthood kills people.)
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To: Westbrook
They’re already prepared to kill for this.
Could be, but are they prepared to die for it? There are only so many swat teams out there.
17 posted on 01/07/2013 8:56:32 AM PST by dainbramaged (Joe McCarthy was right.)
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To: kosciusko51

Of course they want a fight. Dim bulbs need an ass-kicking every once in awhile to remind them why they are “victims”.


18 posted on 01/07/2013 8:56:49 AM PST by LadyBuck (Strangeways, here we come....)
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To: listenhillary

Which is pretty much the reason the 2nd Amendment exists.


19 posted on 01/07/2013 9:01:51 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Oldpuppymax

How long before there is a 10 million gun owners march on DC? Just for fun I have been checking out all the gun sites like AIM surplus, looks like they are all selling out of stock. Is 2012-13 the year of the gun?


20 posted on 01/07/2013 9:04:47 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Who we elect is not as important as who they bring in with them.)
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To: Westbrook
...they will just pick-off gun owners one-by-one, raiding one house at a time for those who don’t surrender.

That likely is what some on the Left are thinking. The ones who can do math know better.

In the US, there are about 300,000,000 firearms in the hands of about 100,000,000 Americans. There are guns in roughly half of all American households. Law enforcement will get no resistance at some of those homes, They will get into firefights at others. They will likely kill the gunowners in those encounters, but they will also take their own losses. If every 10th raid kills a cop, the Left will run out of officers before they run out of targets. And this assumes universal cooperation from local and State law enforcement. In many jurisdictions, the Federal gun confiscation authorities will run into resistance wearing badges.

And this also assumes that their potential targets don't go after them first. Even if only 10% of American gunowners violently resisted disarmament, that's 10,000,000 guerrilla fighters spread out across the country. Imagine how screwed we'd have been had there been 10,000,000 Al Qaeda and Taliban waiting for us in Afghanistan. Now imagine them here. Now imagine them with a large part of their number having had proper military training. Now imagine them with a large part of our own military and law enforcement in sympathy with their cause. Now the Left's math goes from bad to awful.

Now, of course, our real concern in all of this is the fact that so few Leftists in this country can even do the simple math required to balance a checkbook.

21 posted on 01/07/2013 9:05:34 AM PST by Redcloak (CA conservatives: Go to https://rtv.sos.ca.gov/elections/register-to-vote/ to quit the GOP!)
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To: Oldpuppymax
Beware, the communists have already claimed much of the American Government. I believe that the left in their effort to establish a communists dictatorship may have misjudged us.
22 posted on 01/07/2013 9:05:44 AM PST by Logical me
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To: aimhigh
And if another large shooting occurs...

If not already finished, that script is being written as we speak.

23 posted on 01/07/2013 9:06:06 AM PST by tomkat ( PAlabama says > > Roll Tide ! !)
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To: dainbramaged

> There are only so many swat teams out there.

Yes, but unless the opposition is organized, not just armed, the swat teams will prevail, one gun owner at a time, or with multiple raids conducted on multiple gun-owners simultaneously. Either way, if the gun-owners remain isolated and unorganized, they will be easily crushed.


24 posted on 01/07/2013 9:07:27 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

I am convinced the majority of those who are flooding the gun shows and paying a month’s wages for an semi AR or AK are just profiteers hoping to flip them for a tidy sum. Anyone who cared has already done their shopping and now is just waiting for the other shoe to fall.


25 posted on 01/07/2013 9:10:56 AM PST by W.Lee ("RID THE WORLD OF THOSE SAVAGES!”)
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To: 311

[[Another obama healthcare, thats what they will do]]

That’s my feeling becajuse now they know they will NOT be stopped from violating our constitutionasl rights by the supreme court- john roberts let it be known loud and clear that the president can do anythign he wants because ‘if the peopel don’t liek it, then they shouldn’t have voted for him’ essentially- roberts FAILED to uphold the constitution, THEN turned aroudn and blamed in on America! The left IS goign to run with this

Lindsay Rhino Hraham just came out and said ‘The pres has indicated that this secodn term is goign to be an ‘in your face’ term’ and he’s exactly right- the left is goign to htrow EVERYTHING at the right and at citizens- I’ve said it right along- if dear leader was elected for another term he was goign to pukll out all the stops and unleash unholy hell upon this nation


26 posted on 01/07/2013 9:12:39 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: MestaMachine
And my advice to them is to be VERY careful what you wish for.

In a time of lawlessness, practicers of the law and law makers themselves are useless.

27 posted on 01/07/2013 9:14:18 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Sometimes it takes calamity to lead to serenity - FReeper RacerX1128)
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To: MestaMachine
And my advice to them is to be VERY careful what you wish for.

In a time of lawlessness, practicers of the law and law makers themselves are useless.

28 posted on 01/07/2013 9:14:31 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Sometimes it takes calamity to lead to serenity - FReeper RacerX1128)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Organizing such an event would be the problem. Wouldn’t it be awesome though, (Hypothetically dreaming), For tens of thousands of gun owners to surround the beltway, blocking all means of exit, while tens of thousands of others work their way to the capitol. Even if they escaped by way of the secret tunnels, they wouldn’t be able to get passed the road blocks.


29 posted on 01/07/2013 9:15:07 AM PST by Boiling point (Socialism; Ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: W.Lee

[[I am convinced the majority of those who are flooding the gun shows and paying a month’s wages for an semi AR or AK are just profiteers hoping to flip them for a tidy sum.]]

Either that or idiots hoping to ‘sell them back to hte govenremnt in a government ‘buy back’ program’ where the gov will give them ‘up to $200 dollars per gun’

Yeah, they will take a loss per gun, but if they buy in large enough bulk, they’ll make up for the loss’ (Just an old joke folks-)

You’re prbably right though- and I wouldn’t be one bit surprised IF thsoe buyign up the guns aren’t infact anti-gun liberals hoping to profuit off of gun owners


30 posted on 01/07/2013 9:16:13 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Westbrook

“Yes, but unless the opposition is organized, not just armed, the swat teams will prevail, one gun owner at a time, or with multiple raids conducted on multiple gun-owners simultaneously. Either way, if the gun-owners remain isolated and unorganized, they will be easily crushed.” - W

My take is that small cells is the most viable way for resistance to survive. On the political front - a large group with strong leadership is desired. But they have to remain apart from more active resistance.

I think the Sinn Fein and IRA model works. The TEA Party can act as Sinn Fein.

The leadership of the IRA was not well known, and a rigid structure would have been rolled-up a lot easier.


31 posted on 01/07/2013 9:17:02 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Westbrook

That is not the case at all. Only when organized would the government have any chance at harming a resistance group.


32 posted on 01/07/2013 9:24:27 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: cripplecreek
We need to stop playing defense and force the GOP to go on the offense on multiple fronts and force them to lose control.

1) Allow all CCW holders direct shipments of firearms, since they have already passed State and Federal background checks. OK, a sop would be to still fill out the 4473 to send in with the order (for now - small steps, small steps). Granted, some gun dealers would be against it because of the loss of their $25 "handing fee" - and some states, because of the lost "fee" for running the checks, but "into each like a little rain . . ."

2) Allow all CCW holders to buy handguns in any state since, as above, they have passed all checks.

Those two proposals ought to have the libs running around like the proverbial headless chicken.

Ask your Congressman and Senator to sponsor/support these bills - even the antis, just to raise their blood pressure.

33 posted on 01/07/2013 9:25:10 AM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Do the anti-gun leftists in Congress realize that they are high on the target list when the SHTF? Perhaps they need to be reminded!


34 posted on 01/07/2013 9:25:19 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Oldpuppymax

They make the mistaken assumption that our current silence, in a political venue is an indication we won’t fight, our politicians won’t fight.

I know in my heart both my Senators will vote for some sort of capitulation. They are and have always been effing RINOS. However, my Georgia Republican Congressmen are not, and they will stand resolute - they had damned well better! I’ve already told my Congressman that if he EVER saw one litumus test for getting re-elected, this is IT!

So, the Senate will cave and my guess is the Congress won’t. Pelosi can suck it.

If it doesn’t turn out like this, then they’ll just have to come get what I haven’t dispersed one bullet at a time.

They hear silence now, but it is not due to surrender. It is realization that they are our enemies for certain, and we are preparing for battle.


35 posted on 01/07/2013 9:25:19 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Westbrook

They won’t have to kill anyone. It will be really smooth and easy. First they’ll ban the manufacture and sale of all semis. Then they’ll ban the transport of they above. You can have then you just can’t move or sell them. The final straw will be a 10 year manditoty federal crime to be caught off your property with a semi.


36 posted on 01/07/2013 9:25:59 AM PST by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Westbrook

A prudent owner of multiple firearms had better be planning and dispersing them until the initial forays are over.


37 posted on 01/07/2013 9:26:42 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Westbrook
What in the wide, wide world of sports makes you think that after the first few such raids, that firearm owners would cower and wait for the knock at the door?

You need to run some logistics numbers on that scenario. There aren't nearly enough enforcers to do what you think. Door to door to 100 million homes? It is to laugh.

/johnny

38 posted on 01/07/2013 9:30:22 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Oldpuppymax
Won't fight?

III%

Try me.

39 posted on 01/07/2013 9:30:46 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: Oatka

Hell I don’t have any problems with felons having guns as long as they’ve served their time. Maybe we should stop releasing truly dangerous felons early.

The guy who killed the firemen on Christmas should have never see the outside of a prison after beating his own grandmother to death with a hammer.


40 posted on 01/07/2013 9:32:13 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Westbrook
Unless somebody starts organizing military opposition, they will just pick-off gun owners one-by-one, raiding one house at a time for those who don’t surrender.

They’re already prepared to kill for this.

When that starts, your assignment is to find and terminate the highest ranking DemocRAT officials within your reach, the ones responsible for giving the orders.

Perhaps we can create a site map of the locations of RAT leaders, like the one that newsrag did on firearm licensees.

41 posted on 01/07/2013 9:32:22 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Triple

Retain a few, disperse the rest. Private sale of firearms is legal in most states. I’m not saying to fake up bills of sales, but how can they be refuted if they were. The laws, to my knowledge do not require positive identification of the purchaser.


42 posted on 01/07/2013 9:32:50 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Westbrook

I live in small town America.....northern New England.

Everybody knows police officers, sheriff deputies, state troopers....and most people, myself included, know where many of these cops live. And nearly every home in these parts has multiple firearms.

When vast numbers of people are armed and angry, it’s not easy for them to be “crushed.”


43 posted on 01/07/2013 9:32:50 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 6, 2012.....A day that will live in infamy!)
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To: Westbrook

[[Yes, but unless the opposition is organized, not just armed, the swat teams will prevail, one gun owner at a time,]]

Precisely- and hte reason you’re right is because thsi coutnry has clearly indicated that it no longer wishes to fight the left, nor to hold the left accoutnable for anything, and they are willign to give up one constitutional right after another, and even our state leaders have shown they are unwilling to take a stand agaisnt the government’s unconstituional acts agaisnt it’s citizens-

Like you say, the government wil ltarget one person at a time- and any small ‘outbreaks of resistance’ will be quickly put down AND justified by hte government, and the masses will beleive the ‘justuification’ by the govertnemtn, and will ifnact see thsoe who resist as ‘enemies of the nation’ or worse yet, as ‘terrorists’ and will the masses may even join hte governemt in tryign to ‘save the nation’ by putting down all resisters-

[[Either way, if the gun-owners remain isolated and unorganized, they will be easily crushed.]]

This is precisely why people WILL lsoe their rights to own guns- there will be small pockets of resitance, but nothign on a large enough scale to fight the massive armies of this nations- Those who did band together to form small resistance squads will be labelled as terorists, and the public will most likely even cheer when the government ‘savesw them from’ said ‘terrorists’ (of course the TRUE radical muslim terrorists will be quietly takign advantage of the distraction and strengthening hteir bases throughout hte untited states)

This all of course sounds exteme, however, how many natiosn whos citizens have claimed ‘pry my gun from my cold dead hands’ have simply quietly turned over their guns to their governments? Quite a number of them actually- And America is so different from them how? True, we WERE a nation that fought to keep our guns and keep from havign governtment lord it over us IN THE PAST, but htose days are essentially over and this last election proved that- the masses have indicated they are more than willing to lose ANY constitutional rights as long as the government keeps ‘giving them stuff’ (however, these folks apparently are too blind to see that they actually give the governemt BACK more than the government gives them- but by golly when thaT $200 dollar per year ‘stimulus check’ arrives i nthe mail, in their minds, all the pain was worth it)

This coutnry is in a bad bad state- QWe are witnesign a very rapid declien of our constitutional rights, and we are witnessign a supreme court that refuses to stop our government from trampling our riughts- and I do beleive that you arte spot on in your assessment o hte situation


44 posted on 01/07/2013 9:33:55 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Westbrook
raiding one house at a time for those who don’t surrender.

And being sniped by 30 or so neighbors with deer rifles and more who don't take kindly to raids on their friends. Conversations of this nature, and contingency planning are already being discussed in Firehouses, Granges, and feed stores across the county and I suspect across the country.

The government leftists severely mistake the innate Peacefulness and Goodness of workaday Americans for acquiescence.

I think the last thoughts the politicians, globalist banksters, and media shills pushing this will have as their necks snap at the end of a rope will be, "I had no idea..."

45 posted on 01/07/2013 9:36:10 AM PST by Sirius Lee (Get your hair clippers, Patriots! The Vichy Republicans asked for it. 2014!)
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To: Redcloak
And this also assumes that their potential targets don't go after them first. Even if only 10% of American gunowners violently resisted disarmament, that's 10,000,000 guerrilla fighters spread out across the country. Imagine how screwed we'd have been had there been 10,000,000 Al Qaeda and Taliban waiting for us in Afghanistan.,

Refer to my #41. Those giving the orders should be primary targets.

46 posted on 01/07/2013 9:39:00 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: W.Lee

Perhaps. But maybe not. I know of at least one former Marine and ex cop who added to his ‘collection’ last month. The former Marine ex cop he bought them from who runs a store is selling so many delivery is more than a month out. These men are Vietnam vets and highly trained, and they are patriots.
They also know what their current comrads in arms on the police force are thinking and where they stand. It ain’t with the federal goverment.


47 posted on 01/07/2013 9:40:43 AM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

What about the fact that the government is buying up millions upon millions of rounds of ammunition? What for?

Seems to me they’re preparing for something. We’ve heard about this happening but not enough and not enough people are asking the questions.

IMO it’s to prepare for a 2nd amendment battle they know is coming.


48 posted on 01/07/2013 9:40:43 AM PST by conservativebabe
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To: Westbrook
Why target SWAT teams?

Elected officials are much more lightly guarded. Hard to carry out orders when you start running out of folks who give orders...

This crap goes through, most of us are going hunting and won't be home when the SWATties come knocking.

49 posted on 01/07/2013 9:41:54 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: conservativebabe

Govt is buying up millions of rounds...

And we’re buying up the rest. I was in Cabela’s last night and the ammo selection, even reloading components, is as thin as I’ve ever seen it.

First time in the last decade I’ve walked out of there without buying something. Everything I was there to get was sold out.

The powers that be need to factor that into their equation.


50 posted on 01/07/2013 9:46:13 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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