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McChrystal: Time to think about bringing back the draft?
Hot Air ^ | January 13, 2013 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 01/15/2013 12:24:20 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

General Stanley McChrystal is still making the rounds plugging his new book, as well as talking about any old issue of the day the media cares to toss his way. He sat down on Face the Nation this morning and hit a few of the standard questions on Afghanistan, gun control and Chuck Hagel, before Bob Schieffer decided to ask him whether or not it was time to bring back the draft. (H/T NRO)

When asked about his thoughts on implementing a draft on CBS’s Face the Nation, General Stanley A. McChrystal said national service would have a positive impact because it would “bind people to their nation” and “pull people together in shared experiences.”

Just to get it in context, here’s the video and a transcript of a few of the applicable comments for you.

(VIDEO AT LINK)

Schieffer: Would you favor a draft?

McChrystal: I personally believe that national service is important for the nation, and that’s having all young people serve a term of national service. Certainly not all military. But I believe those things do have two effects. One, those things that bind people to their nation are important, and another thing is that we’re also a nation that doesn’t get to know each other too well. Someone from one part of an inner city never meets another person from an upper class neighborhood. We need some things that pull people together in shared experience. We need to be ten years after the fact when they are meeting somewhere, ‘Where did you serve?’ begins a connection that allows them to move on because we are getting too fragmented in my view...

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TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: conscription; draft; liberalgeneral; mcchrystal; military; selectiveservice
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1 posted on 01/15/2013 12:24:31 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Grosss


2 posted on 01/15/2013 12:25:46 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Hippies come full circle.


3 posted on 01/15/2013 12:26:10 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

High on the Leftist wish list.

They figure if they bring back the draft nobody will ever support actually going to war ever again, and every day will be 1968 all over again.


4 posted on 01/15/2013 12:26:46 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bad idea. One volunteer is preferred to three ‘pressed men.


5 posted on 01/15/2013 12:27:49 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Better yet, they will have hundreds of thousands of soulless liberal soldiers who will have no problem using tanks and bombers to crush the life out of citizens just wishing to be left alone.


6 posted on 01/15/2013 12:32:43 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The only thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that criminals will always get them.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Draft will never be used again. Couldn’t work.

If they dared call my 20 year old daughter, they would catch all sorts of fresh hell from me. And millions of other normal dads like me.

And you KNOW they would have to draft women, if they drafted anyone at all.


7 posted on 01/15/2013 12:33:12 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He used a faulty syllogism. There is a limit on duck kills for breed preservation purposes. There is no limit on murderous drug infused criminals who wish to do harm to me and my family.


8 posted on 01/15/2013 12:33:29 PM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Time for McCrystal to write a biography of Pat Tillman with special emphasis on the facts surrounding his death and the coverup of those facts.


9 posted on 01/15/2013 12:34:00 PM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Charlie Rangel, Pete Stark, and John Murtha all wanted to bring back the draft.

http://onecountryvoice.wordpress.com/2006/11/20/democrat-charles-rangel-wants-draft/

McChrystal is a putz.


10 posted on 01/15/2013 12:34:13 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: BipolarBob

I posted on the wrong thread. How did that happen? Am I logged in?


11 posted on 01/15/2013 12:34:35 PM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wait, wait, wait...

First, they want to disarm Americans.

Then, they want to force “health care” upon us by a tax mandate.

Then, they want to arm Federal executive agencies with billions of rounds of hollowpoint ammunition.

Now, they want to bring back conscription...

Umm, folks... if there’s any doubt in your mind that Barack Hussein Obama wants to take over this nation by force of arms and create some sick socialist utopia, you need to have your head examined.

We are neck deep in shit at this point.


12 posted on 01/15/2013 12:38:20 PM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Jacquerie
The folks who want the draft to come back have two goals:

1) Bring down the quality of the military, because -- as you say -- volunteers tend to be better quality than people who'd rather not be there.
2) Bring down the political acceptability of war. If the soldiers are not there by choice than neither the voters nor the politicians will be eager to put them in harm's way.

If you want the country weak, bring back the draft. That's what this is about.

13 posted on 01/15/2013 12:40:01 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

With the current scenario of a faggotized military and a vile communist tyrant as commander-in-chief, there’s no way in hell I’d ever enlist. Would I dodge a draft? My entire life I regarded draft-dodgers as the lowest of the low. So it’s not without a deeply jarring visceral reaction that I say I might very well indeed.


14 posted on 01/15/2013 12:41:14 PM PST by greene66
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
NO NO NO NO NO NO!
15 posted on 01/15/2013 12:41:28 PM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Sooooo...instead of using the draft to fight and win the Nation's wars, he wants to use it for social engineering?

Ugh! No wonder the military is in the state it is in with such men leading it today.

16 posted on 01/15/2013 12:41:57 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFFOUkipI4U


17 posted on 01/15/2013 12:44:46 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Please, don't tell Obama what comes after a trillion.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Of course he’s pushing a draft. Obango’s gonna need his own army to quell those bitter clingers and McChrystal’s ready and willing to be his generalissimo.


18 posted on 01/15/2013 12:45:02 PM PST by TADSLOS ( "I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."-George Mason)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Illegal aliens will be brought into the military via the DREAM Act or something like it to do just that. Illegals doing the gun confiscation that Americans won’t do.


19 posted on 01/15/2013 12:47:52 PM PST by DangerZone (If the left had their way, all of America would be as safe as Sandy Hook Elementary.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would only begin to approve of reinstatement of the draft if two conditions are met

1 No student deferments- you can go back to school when your service is done.

2. Sons and grandsons of Representatives, Senators, and Cabinet members above a certain level are first to be called


20 posted on 01/15/2013 12:48:15 PM PST by wrcase
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Rep. John Murtha Wants Lottery for 'Citizens Army'

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1811306/posts

"Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink" - P.J. O'Rourke

21 posted on 01/15/2013 12:49:20 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Responsibility2nd

Read the directives of Executive Order 13603. Odinga created his private army, using conscription under that EO.

The draft is already in place. It only needs the go-code from the White Hut.


22 posted on 01/15/2013 12:50:21 PM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And just how the hell can we afford to pay for the millions who would need to be fed, housed, clothed, and cared for instead of finding a job and contributing to our already massive spending burden??

Idiots like this think the money to do this crap grows on trees...


23 posted on 01/15/2013 12:53:11 PM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Micky is going to piss off so many Americans with his liberal crap speak that his book sales are going to be a bust


24 posted on 01/15/2013 12:57:57 PM PST by drypowder
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To: Abathar

And just how the hell can we afford to pay for the millions who would need to be fed, housed, clothed, and cared for instead of finding a job and contributing to our already massive spending burden??

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Are you talking about draftees? Or welfare bums?

I’m confused here.


25 posted on 01/15/2013 12:58:50 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Read this: http://hugohousepublishers.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/LFFCintro4website.pdf

The 10 immutable laws that govern civilization

Law #2: In Battle freemen almost always defeat slaves


26 posted on 01/15/2013 1:01:11 PM PST by GraceG
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To: wrcase

I served two tours in Korea. Many of the ROK (aka South Korea) army personnel I served with (they’ve had a draft since forever) were the sons of big industrial tycoons, generals, admirals and politicians. Nobody gets out of the draft there except for physical disability.


27 posted on 01/15/2013 1:02:31 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”

Doesn’t say “except when we want to use you to fight and die”. If you can’t attract soldiers, you are either not paying enough, or nobody feels your cause makes sense.
Increase the pay for a grunt to 100k a year and you’ll have all you want. Not patriotic? I dont see congressfools taking the pay of a private during wartime. I don’t see Lockheed execs willing to take a generals pay to be careful they don’t profit from the war.
No,,only the grunt is expected to give his services and life away for a pittance of pay to demonstrate his patriotism.

Modern Generals are nightmarish and have no respect for freedom.
And i’ll say it, it comes from life spent in the childlike world of the military. After all the holy talk is stripped away, they live in little centrally planned utopias. How many beers may you drink,, may i own a gun., lock up your gun at the armory, follow the rules very carefully,, you need a haircut, etc etc. Even the clerks at the PX can act like little martinets.
While that is necessary to create a disciplined fighting force, a lifetime there fills them with dread of the chaos of civilian life. Occasionally you see some retirees that dont make the adjustment well. They become royal pains in the ass in HOAs, complaining about a neighbors grass that is 2.5 inches tall when the rule reads 2 inches,,,etc etc.

And last of all, if you pack the military with homos, put the homos in charge, strictly muzzle the chaplains, let major Hassan evaluate them after deployment, and decide America needs to fight in Central Africa etc etc..
No,,,you certainly won’t get my kids to play with.


28 posted on 01/15/2013 1:02:38 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Wouldn’t a mandatory national service youth be the same as a welfare bum when you look at the bottom line?


29 posted on 01/15/2013 1:04:53 PM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
national service would have a positive impact because it would “bind people to their nation” and “pull people together in shared experiences.”

Libtards never can get enough of force and slavery.

30 posted on 01/15/2013 1:05:07 PM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Timber Rattler
Sooooo...instead of using the draft to fight and win the Nation's wars, he wants to use it for social engineering?

That is what all these idiot liberals want - a great big, gay, love-fest where everyone likes each other and hugs and sleeps together!

Poor inner-city kid meets rich upper-crust soldier and instantly, they can see how their lives are practically the exact same: except, when the rich soldier gets off work, he drives down to his condo on the beach in his new Porche and spends the weekend on the beach and the inner-city soldier walks back to the barracks and plays video games! PRACTICALLY THE SAME!

I spent 10 years in the Marine Corps and meet many great friends, from many different walks of life, of many different races, but none of them were because we FORCED to serve our Country! We all volunteered for those fun and games!

Take it from me, conscription would set back race relations in the military (and society) by 40 years - I guarantee it! And THAT is what the liberals really like!
31 posted on 01/15/2013 1:05:56 PM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We need some things that pull people together in shared experience.

That's what the NFL is for. :)

32 posted on 01/15/2013 1:06:58 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Jacquerie

Draftees fought WWII, Vietnam was mostly volunteers, and draftees make fine soldiers, superior to females.

It is easier for drill sergeants to turn 18 year old draftees into warriors and change their minds about the challenges and fun of soldiering, than to change the realities of the limitations of the female sex.

This isn’t about a draft anyway, it is about national service.


33 posted on 01/15/2013 1:08:06 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Will the pot smokers and other dopers get a special exemption?


34 posted on 01/15/2013 1:09:25 PM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: DesertRhino

The Supreme Court has ruled against you innumerous cases. It is the exception they get away with.


35 posted on 01/15/2013 1:10:48 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Jacquerie

“One volunteer is preferred to three ‘pressed men.”

Considering the complexity of modern war machines, the ratio is likely even higher in many military specialties.


36 posted on 01/15/2013 1:11:45 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Abathar

Probably. But at least a draftee would add value. They would actually segue into makers rather than takers.

I guess the real problem is just how do you indoctrinate a welfare queen into a real solder?

And WHAT do you do with its spawn? (Laqishiada, Purelle, La-a, Quonsetta and so on?)


37 posted on 01/15/2013 1:12:53 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The WWI draft was ruled legal because When Congress declared war, the Wilson administration logic was there were no draftees. The nation had “volunteered” collectively,, through it's congress.

The supreme court rubber stamped it. But no matter what the black robed mystics and mandarins SAY it actually means. It was written in plain english, and was short and precise

It's slavery.

38 posted on 01/15/2013 1:23:29 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

McChrystal already has a draft. It whistles in one ear and out the other.


39 posted on 01/15/2013 1:23:37 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: ansel12
1. Hard to burn a draft card if there is no draft.

2. No reason to run to Canada if there is no draft.

3. No reason to protest on college campuses if there is no draft.

Three reasons why the left wants the draft back.

40 posted on 01/15/2013 1:24:25 PM PST by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: smoothsailing

Murtha is dead so his views are irrelevant


41 posted on 01/15/2013 1:25:33 PM PST by slumber1 (Don't taze me bro!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Considering there are plenty of Vietnam era vets and retired flag officers around, McChrystal’s comments are even more disturbing.


42 posted on 01/15/2013 1:26:19 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They also ruled Dredd Scott was basically a stolen car, that separate but equal was legal, that forced busing was hunky dory, that abortion is cool, that forcing Americans of japanese ancestry into cencentration camps was legal, that Obama care can force us to buy a product, that growing grain to feed your own animals on the same farm is “interstate commerce”. And they are about to tell us that homo marriage is a right.
And they have shredded the 4th amendment for the war on drugs, and are fine with the government intercepting every email and text we send.

The supreme court has always been a joke, following the trend of the moment. During wartime, they decide anything the government does is fine. The famous “fire in a crowded theater” analogy was confirming that it wa fine to arrest a man who was passing out handbills opposing the draft.

The supremes have probably approved the draft, but they were lawless to do so.


43 posted on 01/15/2013 1:33:02 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: wrcase

I OK the draft under the following conditions:
1. No deferments at all! 2. All 18 year olds must go and do National service. 3. No Draftees (save for those who volunteer) would be sent overseas to fight unless we have a declared war. 4. Young people could serve in National parks, as CCC firefighters, Americore Red Cross workers, Teachers in inner schools, Build dykes and levees, restore historic sites and build monuments for the nation (Like the sitting bull statue)—All should serve in some way—the mentally retarded (they can pick up paper) The mentally ill (could sew socks and knit) every American—even prisoners could serve in strict labor battalions—stationed in Alaska. All serve for 2 years. let the volunteers do the hard stuff —draftees fill in and learn what they need to be citizens.


44 posted on 01/15/2013 1:36:43 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: PeteB570

Vietnam was overwhelmingly a volunteers war while WWII was overwhelmingly fought by draftees.

When the US Army has to enlist 42 year old grandmothers and single moms to fight it’s wars after 9/11, then something is wrong.


45 posted on 01/15/2013 1:38:26 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I want to see a McChrystol book where he prints up the emails between him and the Tampa housewife socialite, part-time honorary korean ambassador.

Petraeus and Allen who followed him had thousands. Are we to believe McChystol who held the same post, and lived the high life with Rolling stone reporters, and dinner trips to Paris, while he deprived his troops had no email relationship (or more) with her?


46 posted on 01/15/2013 1:40:02 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes, bring it back, but like this...

Draft for National Service, military typing pool, hairdresser, band, etc.

Volunteer for combat.

Besides, I’m about to turn 64, you young whippersnappers need to get to work so you’ll stay off my lawn!


47 posted on 01/15/2013 1:41:46 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Bring back the draft?” For what, forcible sodomy and lifetimes of unemployment lines after enlistments end?


48 posted on 01/15/2013 1:42:02 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

National service for everyone is the left’s plan and their goal, their long time dream.

The draft should only be used to provide warriors for warfare, male warriors.


49 posted on 01/15/2013 1:43:24 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is for the future.

Once we end up with an entire FEMALE JCS, women in submarines, the homos overrun the military, etc
VIRILE young lads will NOT be going in, so there will be no one to fight because the shes and he/shes will be afraid to break a nail or something.

Like one poster said, this is the 60 Hippys come full cycle.

Amazing, ‘we’ went and fought to allow them to ruin ‘us’ in the long run....

Probably should have taken them out way back when....


50 posted on 01/15/2013 1:44:24 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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