Posted on 04/08/2013 1:52:15 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
I totally agree. I am over fifty and I'm flabbergasted. Look at the people right here. Even a long time freeper is arguing for socialism. There was an article last night I saw about Pravda saying how the US had turned communist. Amazingly, that article was the absolute truth. And for the newspaper Pravda, there was pravda (truth) in izvestia (the news).
All along I thought maybe we got Obama due to the increasing numbers of people who are on the dole or those who already get welfare money in the form of earned income tax credits but don't pay any taxes so the threat of higher taxes never bothers them. I believe those two groups together are still less than fifty percent of the people. But Obama keeps winning with over fifty percent of the vote. Didn't make any sense to me.
Now I see there is another group of people who, when added to those first two groups, may even have put Obama over the fifty percent mark -- those who work and pay taxes but think they are owed a high enough wage to live. The living wage entitlement group.
Just like the article from Pravda said, when communism is not called what it really is, people in this country vote for it. People supposedly conservative are demanding socialism. They don't want to hear about personal responsibility or developing a good work ethic or judiciously adding skills to their knowledge base to improve their worth. They believe someone should just pay them more money because they want it.
Seeing the absolute epitome of socialism welcomed here is making me sick. Where on earth did all these commies come from.
You can’t even live on 15 an hour now days
First off $15 per hour is over $30,000 a year more than new teachers start at in some states.
Next look at people on minimum wage claiming poverty.
Do they have.
1) running water yep
2) housing yep
3) car yep
4) computer yep
5) game machine yep
6) hungry NO
You call what they live in poverty. Most of the world would call it living pretty good.
We as a country need to understand how well we have it.
Read the entire post with the thought of actually trying to comprehend it before calling the poster names.
I don’t adhere to Mayor Bloomberg, and I said nothing about outlawing it, I merely made the obtuse observation that unhealthy and healthy food should compete on the same cost basis.
Bloomberg is an idiot. Those laws you infer merely cost the City of New York taxpayers money as they pay to defend something that will never hold up as constitutional.
I do however think passing the law requiring listing of the nutritional value of fast food was good and appropriate.
Or do you all think that in the name of pure libertarianism we should just allow people to sell poison to us and pass it off as food?
“I do however think passing the law requiring listing of the nutritional value of fast food was good and appropriate.”
So do I. It allows the consumer to make their own informed choices. My point was only that trying to control consumption of something by arbitrarily increasing costs doesn’t necessarily stop consumption, constitutionality and personal liberties aside. There are plenty of people who cannot afford a smoking habit, but they still smoke. In the end, it is a person’s personal responsibility to regulate what they eat.
Incidentally, even though I don’t eat fast food and don’t advocate for it, it’s not just that it’s fast food that is the problem. It’s the quantity that people eat. For example, why a ‘Big Mac’, when a single cheeseburger is cheaper and has less calories? Why a ‘big order’ of fries? Why a shake when you could drink water? The point is that it is personal choice that matters.
Every time the minimum wage goes up prices everywhere naturally must go up, simple math yes? I used to run McDonald’s and it was always hard to see when the employees finally realized that not only were their hours reduced and they had to work harder with less staff, but their expenses everywhere else increased. The only ones to ever come out ahead in a minimum wage increase is the Taxman and unions.
$15/hr? Not until they can get my drive through order correct...every time.
That's evidence that the robotics dot com boom is starting. A VC funded startup to cook hamburgers? That's nuts. Obamacare is clearly a major precipitating event. There will be a robot dot com bubble to ride.
Now serious contender for top 3% of dumbest posts of FR. French fries, Hamburgers, etc. are NOT poison.
Actually, if the ones who would see the results of it were capable of comprehending it all, I’d say raise the minimum wage to $25/hr, and as the businesses lose their business and the ‘well paid workers’ lose their jobs as the businesses shut down for lack of customers, perhaps the democrip stranglehold on society would diminish. But no, the media would merely lie, saying as if true whatever the democrip controllers told them to lie. MAgic thinking rules America, by the will of the democrip oligarchs.
Fast food isn’t responsible for any of that. They sell the products people want. They all have healthy items on the menu that sell a small fraction of the unhealthy items. It’s a business’ responsibility to sell what the customers want, it’s the customers’ responsibility to not want things that kill them.
Healthy food and unhealthy food CAN’T compete on the same cost basis. Healthy food tends to be fresh, never frozen, and no processing. This means it expires faster, which means the stores have to throw out more, which means it costs the stores more, a cost they must pass on to consumers. You’ll never be able to charge the same for lettuce that must be thrown out at the end of the week as you do for meat patties that can stay in the freezer for 6 months. And that doesn’t even get into the size problem, fresh stuff tends to be a lot less compacted, causing it to take more space in transportation and storage.
I imagine a Big Mac has to be around $8. I’ll have to find an answer that.
McDonalds is not worth what it is now. I like Five Guys.
Fatburger and Tommys in LA are also good, but I haven’t had them in years. I used to travel to the Southland a lot.
I don’t understand how a business would stay open.
The “fast food industry” is not responsible for any deaths. The people who eat too much of it are responsible for their own deaths.
To repeat my question above: What extra work or extra value or extra contribution are these “people” going to do to make their “living wage” worth more TO THE COMPANY? What are they doing that is WORTH raising their wages up from 8.00 or 9.00 or 10.00 or 12.00 dollars an hours to 15.00 dollars or 25.00 or 30.00 an hour to their employer?
I don't know of any company that bases their wages on what their employees are worth...It's based on how little the market will bear...
There are tons of companies out there that are making billions in profit each year...They certainly couldn't get there without employees...You think those employees are getting paid what they are worth???
Well uh, ya...I'd like think I could make enough money to support me and a family...Apparently you figure China sets a pretty good example for business in America...
And of course you guys hate blue collar unions...I'd say it's people like you guys that are responsible for the creation of unions...
I'll bet you however just love the corporate unions...And anti-trust laws??? They were worse than Kryptonite for you guys...
Why is it no one talks about the value of a dollar???
Goodbye “Dollar Menu”, Hello “Five-Dollar Menu”.
Hello “Bankruptcy.”
That's two sides of the same coin. The floor you reference is established by the worth of the product created by that job.
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