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Our Crucial Choice of the War on Terror (Greenfield)
Sultan Knish blog ^ | Friday, February 27, 2015 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 02/27/2015 3:34:07 PM PST by Louis Foxwell

Friday, February 27, 2015

Our Crucial Choice of the War on Terror

Posted by Daniel Greenfield @ the Sultan Knish blog

There are two models for fighting terrorism. We can see the terrorists as an external invading force that has to be destroyed or as an internal element in our society to be managed.

In the War on Terror, Bush saw terrorists as an external force that had to be fought while Obama sees them as an internal element to be managed. And while both men signed off on some of the same tactics, their view of the conflict at the big picture level was fundamentally different.

The differences express themselves in such things as detaining terrorists at Guantanamo Bay or backing Islamist democracy. If Muslim terrorists are an alien force, then detaining them without trial is no more of a problem than detaining Nazi saboteurs was during WW2. And if Islamic terrorism is driven by alien impulses, then it has nothing in common with us and attempting to accommodate it cannot succeed.

Obama and the Europeans see Islamic terrorism as a social problem whose root causes need to be resolved rather than defeated. It’s the old model used for the radical left which was “fought” by mainstream parties adopting elements of its program to compete with it… with disastrous results.

But the results of adopting elements of the Islamic program would be even worse.

Obama blamed the Paris terror attacks on a failure to integrate. But Islamic terrorism is an attempt to integrate Europe into Islam. The bombs and bullets, like the Sharia patrols and the No-Go Zones, are statements by Muslims that they will not be integrated into Europe. Europe must integrate with them.

Muslim terrorists reject the assumption that they are a domestic social problem. To the Muslim born in France or the UK, who may even be a native convert, the domestic social problem comes from Jews and Christians who refuse to acknowledge the supremacy of Islam, from cartoonists who draw Mohammed and from women who leave the house. Islamic terrorism is meant to integrate us into the Dar-al-Islam.

If we are going to view Islamic terrorism as a domestic social problem, then we might as well take a look at how Muslim countries deal with terrorism. They rarely declare war against it, but when they do, they tend to engage in ruthless mass slaughter. Jordan may have killed as many as 20,000 Palestinian Arabs in its fight with the PLO. Assad’s father may have killed 40,000 Syrians in Hama when putting down the Muslim Brotherhood. The death toll from the current conflict hovers at around a quarter of a million.

But Muslim countries rarely fight terrorism. Like Obama, they mostly manage terrorism.

In Muslim countries, terrorism actually is an internal element. It’s not an alien force, but an ongoing momentum of expansion and conflict that predates the airplane and the bomb. This is the tool that Mohammed and his successors used to conquer sizable portions of the world. That’s why Muslim countries don’t fight terrorism. They export it.

Jihad is a ticking time bomb that they dump on their enemies. Major Muslim countries sponsor terrorist groups the way that we sponsor sports teams. Sometimes they fight a terrorist group and then sponsor it and fight it again. Sometimes they sponsor it and fight it at the same time. That’s the kind of situation that gives counterterrorism experts headaches, but maintains a bizarre kind of stability in the region.

A Muslim country with a terrorist problem points the terrorists to another country. That’s a major reason why Lebanon, Syria and Iraq are disaster areas. It’s also why our Gulf allies keep funding the terrorists attacking America. Not only is it the religiously devout thing to do and confers geopolitical advantages on them, but it’s also the international equivalent of dumping your toxic waste next door.

Exporting Islamic terrorism is something that Muslim countries can do more easily than non-Muslim countries can. The Russians are about the only non-Muslims to have managed to do it without getting hurt too badly. Our own efforts in dabbling with foreign Muslim terrorists have been disastrous. Trying to export domestic Muslim terrorists into another conflict would be a terrible idea.

Nevertheless the West is doing just that in Syria, intentionally or unintentionally. And the consequences will be quite serious because unlike the Saudis, we can’t keep generating international conflicts for them to fight in fast enough to prevent them from coming home and killing Americans.

Obama and the EU are trying to manage Islamic terrorists, but only Muslim countries can do that. In the Muslim world, terrorist groups function as unofficial militias, proxy armies that can be dispatched to fight their enemies. But Islamic forces fight for an Islamic cause. Obama can claim that America is one of the world’s largest Muslim countries, but he can’t call on their Islamic allegiance to the United States.

The most crucial decision in our approach to Islamic terrorism is to decide whether it represents a foreign or domestic element. If we treat Muslim terrorists as a domestic force, then we will have to cater to them. The path of appeasement will eventually lead to adopting some form of Islamic law even if we do it under the guise of our existing legal system, such as prosecuting blasphemy against Islam under hate crime laws. But as we attempt to manage Islamic terrorism, the violence will increase.

Eventually we will discover that the only way to compete with Al Qaeda or ISIS is to adopt elements of the Islamic program, the way that the West did with the radical left. That is what most Muslim countries have already done. And if we do it, then we will have defeated ourselves. That is why the approach advocated by Obama and the European Union is bound to fail. The United States is not a Muslim country and it cannot afford to manage terror the way that Muslim countries do.

The Islamic terrorist is not a legitimate domestic element in America, the way that he is in Pakistan or Syria, because he has no function here. The United States is not in need of freelance fanatical militias following a foreign creed that puts them at odds with Americans. If we attempt to cultivate Islamic terrorists, then we will still end up becoming their first, or at best, second choice of targets.

The West can only defeat Islamic terrorism by treating it as a foreign element; an outside force that must be destroyed, rather than accommodated. Unlike Islamic countries, we cannot accommodate it without destroying what we are. And we cannot make use of it without destroying ourselves.

Europe still insists on seeing Islamic terrorism as a domestic social problem and if its Muslim population continues to grow, then eventually it will be correct. Islamic terrorism will cease to be a foreign threat to Europe and become the means by which its non-Muslims are integrated into accepting Islamic rule.

The United States however is not an Islamic country in any sense of the word. It does not face the same demographic danger as France. And it should not treat Islamic terrorism as a domestic element.

To defeat an enemy, we have to view it as external to ourselves. When we accept Islam as a domestic phenomenon to be grappled with, managed, moderated and deradicalized; then we give up on the possibility of defeating it because an internal problem that is part of us can never truly be defeated.

And that defeatism becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

When we treat the War on Terror like the War on Drugs or the War on Poverty, then we accept the impossibility of winning. Instead we adapt to a European mindset of managing the fallout from the latest batch of attacks. Terrorism becomes no different than crime; a threat we try to live through without hope of ever seeing it end. And that way lies a police state and numberless terror attacks for it to police.

Declarations of war are important because they remind us that we have an external enemy. Internal enemies may be a part of us, but external enemies are not. We can defeat them without defeating ourselves. We are not doomed to fight an endless struggle with Islam unless we make it a part of us.


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1 posted on 02/27/2015 3:34:07 PM PST by Louis Foxwell
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To: Louis Foxwell
we need to get this word to The Great Social Mechanic ASAP!!!




2 posted on 02/27/2015 3:37:34 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: daisy mae for the usa; AdvisorB; wizardoz; free-in-nyc; Vendome; Georgia Girl 2; blaveda; ...
Simple.

We are bringing the enemy into our tent the better to eat him whole.

3 posted on 02/27/2015 3:41:37 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

“We are not doomed to fight an endless struggle with Islam unless we make it a part of us.”

Seems that is precisely what Obama is bent upon doing. Making Islam a major part of us.

Lock, and load.


4 posted on 02/27/2015 3:53:18 PM PST by rockinqsranch ((Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.))
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To: rockinqsranch
Some Russians are convinced that fallen angels are back again, that the smooth sink holes in Siberia are related somehow and that the west is controlled by dark forces - and the fallen angels.

Given the rise of Islam and the collapse of the american state these beliefs are not hard to understand.

Average Europeans and North Americans are doing nothing to help themselves.

No one knows much about what the Russians are doing save what US government disinformation networks talk about.

Its time to pray.

5 posted on 02/27/2015 4:43:59 PM PST by x_plus_one
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To: Louis Foxwell
...Obama sees them as an internal element to be managed.

Obama sees them as allies in his goal of the destruction of Western Civilization.

6 posted on 02/27/2015 4:53:44 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Louis Foxwell
In Muslim countries, terrorism actually is an internal element. It’s not an alien force, but an ongoing momentum of expansion and conflict that predates the airplane and the bomb. This is the tool that Mohammed and his successors used to conquer sizable portions of the world. That’s why Muslim countries don’t fight terrorism. They export it.

Well, there is the money quote. Ignore that and you are ignoring history.
"Doomed to repeat" and all that.

7 posted on 02/27/2015 6:39:48 PM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: Louis Foxwell

....”Obama and the Europeans see Islamic terrorism as a social problem whose root causes need to be resolved rather than defeated”....

Islam is what it is.... we see ISIS practicing exactly what Islam, it’s founder, and it’s Koran clearly teaches.... Has taught for hundreds of years, and it has not changed since it first began.

Politicians and Muslims who refuse and deny what it is simply do not want to deal with the obvious....it’s easier to excuse, divide Islam, and call it something other than what it is. Because to identify Islam for what it is only has one solution.


8 posted on 02/27/2015 7:08:06 PM PST by caww
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To: x_plus_one
Some Russians are convinced that fallen angels are back again, that the smooth sink holes in Siberia are related somehow and that the west is controlled by dark forces - and the fallen angels. Given the rise of Islam and the collapse of the american state these beliefs are not hard to understand.

...that the dark forces of their governments have worked so hard to bring about.

9 posted on 02/28/2015 7:05:51 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Why would you want to "fundamentally change" a country you love?)
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To: x_plus_one; Tainan; Louis Foxwell; caww; Albion Wilde; DuncanWaring; rockinqsranch; MeshugeMikey; ..

Islam produces “surplus men”. It’s the nature of the beast.

Islam produces these foot soldiers from hell as fast as we can kill them off... Every generation adds to the hoard until a tipping point it met... At which point Muslim violence breaks out.

Mohammad created the system.

It works the way he wanted it to work. The pain of surplus men is channeled into violence against others.

Islam has rules for sex slaves. Rules for how large a stone can be used to kill a woman - based on her crime. Larger stones for minor crimes - smaller ones for greater crimes (pain should be drawn out - we ARE talking monsters here...)

Islam has rules covering which women can be raped and under what circumstances’. Rules for how to kill. Why are these types of ‘rules’ covered in a religion? Christianity doesn’t have these types of ‘rules’... Either do any of the other world’s legitimate religions.

Why?

Because these horrors are by-products of Islam... they feed the war machine Islam uses to destroy others.

Islam creates evil... and the ‘rules’ for how to exploit those evils... Islam has rules for how young a child can be when molested - and how old they must be for penetration. It has rules for women who have been ‘ruined’ down there - and how people must give thise women alms... (they can’t stop peeing and stink to high heaven).

This is an evil religion that will always create wars and misery. Yes, we can go in and kill the surplus men - but in a generation they’ll be back. They’re victims of the horror too.

THIS IS ISLAM.


10 posted on 02/28/2015 11:40:19 AM PST by GOPJ (Comrade Thug - pleae don't hurt me for disagreeing... I lived in a free country once..)
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To: GOPJ



11 posted on 02/28/2015 11:51:48 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: GOPJ
Yes, Islam is all that as well as many other grotesque and destructive behaviors. And yet, as with out nation, the Leadership is exempt from rules in one form or another....one way or another. I do not see either a military solution or a reforming of Islam as anything which will stop this as long as the Leadership of Muslim countries continues to subject it's people using Islam to create fear and robotos unable to utilize any critical thinking they were designed with to use. Islam begins at childhood teaching hatred and death, beatings and violence of every shape and form....therefore most muslims have mental health issues, many serious, because they've never had opportunity to develope as they might have otherwise were it not for Islams teachings. Their thinking cannot be anything other than distorted, and their emotional makeup disconnected from that of most all other societies. They are like abused woman...even after they are free. Something around 85% of those who have come here have mental health issues.
12 posted on 02/28/2015 12:04:50 PM PST by caww
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To: GOPJ

Disagree that Islam is a religion. It is evil. It is barbarism.

There is a huge difference between acts of barbarism, and a culture, or a society of barbaristic character. Islam provides said culture.

The only way to fight it is with intent to eliminate it, even though one knows that is impossible. With the right intent, and attitude we can eliminate it to the point it is contained where it started in the ME.


13 posted on 02/28/2015 5:41:02 PM PST by rockinqsranch ((Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.))
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To: rockinqsranch

Islam is by its nature cowardice. Each time it has been confronted it has withered. It runs rampant only in the face of greater cowardice. Treat it as a bully and it will retreat, every time. The problem with the notion that islam fighters are out of work young thugs is that they are quite the opposite. They are paid in cash and drugs and honored in their communities. The drug lords and kingpins who pay them live in palatial mansions all over the western world.
Jihad is a criminal enterprise, nothing less. File RICO charges against the lot of them in US courts. See how fast they run.


14 posted on 03/01/2015 5:08:11 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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