Posted on 05/11/2024 4:31:25 PM PDT by Macho MAGA Man
The California Supreme Court declared that law enforcement officers cannot detain individuals because they attempt to avoid police contact. This unanimous decision has stirred a significant response from police unions, who argue that it will hamper their ability to maintain public safety effectively.
The court, in a 7-0 decision, stated that actions such as appearing to conceal oneself or acting nervously do not alone provide a sufficient basis for officers to detain individuals.
This was elaborated in an opinion by Justice Carol Corrigan, emphasizing that while such behaviors could be considered within a broader context, they do not meet the threshold of “reasonable suspicion of criminal activity” necessary to legally detain someone.
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I wish the courts would rule it’s illegal to sit on the side of the road like a vulture looking for its prey. Nothing like a mobile tax collector to ruin your day watching them sit on the side of the road. The more of them I see the more I feel like I’m living in a police state. At least we don’t have DUI checkpoints.
Justice Kelli Evans, the high court’s newest member, wrote in a concurring opinion joined by four other justices that said, “many individuals — including, particularly, people of color — commonly hold a perception that engaging in any manner with police, including in seemingly casual or innocuous ways, entails a degree of risk to one’s safety.”
Let me fix that:
“Many individuals know that engaging in any manner with police, including in seemingly casual or innocuous ways, entails a degree of risk to one’s safety.”
> If they [the police] said “Hey, you!” I’d stop, and ask what they wanted. <
I probably would as well. But here’s the thing. Too many cops will escalate from there, and lie to you. “You are required to show ID whenever a police officer asks for it.”
That is a lie. It is a lie in every state in the Union. Some people will be intimidated, and give up their ID. That alone can get you entered into a national database. Who the hell wants that?
And if you don’t show ID, the cop might back down. Or he might arrest and cuff you for “obstructing justice”, or some other bogus thing. Anyone who doubts that the latter happens need only do a Google search for it.
Hiding on the side of the road and collecting revenue seems way easier than catching bank robbers and rapists.
Probably pays better too.
Is wearing a mask, ‘evading?’
I would be ‘evading’ identification.
Yep.
You ever turn down a street early to avoid a police checkpoint?
Even though I dreamed of California life as a TV watching kid in the 70’s and early 80s I have discovered that I vow NEVER to vist that God forsaken state......EVER
so lovely how the ‘regulate the many for the actions of a few’ concept spreads its way thru the mind’s of the masses...
hope you never need a cop after your wish is granted... that would be a shame...(Insert pic of Seinfeld here)
Judging from the responses I read, there are quite a few jack boot lickers here.
They’re not talking about that
if you were less shady it wouldn’t matter if the cops knew who you were. we aren’t in colonial America and your names are not struck as enemies of the crown to be killed on sight. more likely you’ve ‘forgotten’ to pay your taxes or skipped out on a speeding ticket and are hoping to avoid the cops due to the outstanding warrant.
of course, if you’re in a blue state then you’ve elected a criminal organization to run your state. they don’t play by the laws anyhow so... good luck
Suppose a cop stops me on a sidewalk, just for “suspicious behavior”. He demands ID. I will be polite. But I will point out to him that his demand is unlawful. He has no suspicion of an actual crime. He can ask for ID. He cannot demand it.
The cop might say, “I just need your name for my report.” Well, it’s not 1950 anymore. My name won’t go into a manila folder at the station. It will go into a computer database. And who knows what “suspicious behavior” the cop will put in the report? Loitering near a bank? Suspicion of concealing a firearm?
The demand for ID with no crime is repugnant to liberty. And more than that, giving your ID could put you on some “bad boy” list somewhere.
No offense meant to you, sten. I see your point. Crime is spiraling out of control, and good people are searching for ways to control it.
Thank you.
Our liberties were fought for and secured with the price of blood and flesh and bone. It saddens me that so many good men died for our freedom and liberty yet too many modern people would give it all up for a temporary sense of security.
The freedom to go about our country unmolested by law enforcement is unique in the world. That freedom has been eroded in the last so many years.And I for one am happy to see at least some aspect of that freedom being protected and reasserted.
It is also very depressing to see someone assert that it is somehow “shady” to value our freedoms and liberties.
It cannot be overturned. A state, under its own laws or constitution, is allowed to give people more liberty that required by the federal constitution, so there’s no federal question at issue. A state Supreme Court is the final word on the state constitution.
Unless the police are on a call of burglary, or battery, or abuse, or some other reason for being in the vicinity other than on general patrol, simply turning the other way is not probable cause for a stop.
-PJ
Well not anymore. I’m not obligated to walk into a trap.
i hate to burst your bubble but there is absolutely no need for them to ask for your id if they want to just track who you are and where you’re going. they have all that now. the easiest way for them is your cell phone... tied directly to you and updates your exact position as you move. beyond that, they have facial recognition and cameras at numerous intersections, buildings, residential homes, and stores... tied to facial recognition, your license, and your spending habits. add to that voice recognition and everything you say online will be tagged and parsed from you.
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