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MY CinC GOT HIS HEAD HANDED TO HIM!
A Navy Vet ^ | 9-30-2004 | A Navy Vet

Posted on 09/30/2004 10:40:34 PM PDT by A Navy Vet

Without reading the other aricles/posts, I believe President Bush got his head handed to him in the debate tonight. I can't believe how inarticulate he was and with such a smug look on his face while looking for his answerrs.

More importantly, I was disappointed that with Kerry's babblings about coalitions that Bush did not speak of sovereignty until his closing remarks. I was also disappointed that Bush did not tell Kerry there is no way of knowing the intricacies of the innner circle's state policies.

And why did it take Bush in his closing comments to finally make the point of keeping terrorism offshore? He eluded to that frequently in his remarks about being on the "offensesive", but didn't make it clear to the average American about taking the fight to them.

Also, I kept hearing "talking points" from Bush, which is usually the demcRATs M.O.

He just lost 5 points in his lead; there's a big difference between a leader and an articluate speaker without sustance...e.g. clinton. That said, JoeSixPak and Soccor Mom believe what sounds good. They have no concept of a leader who may not be schmoozer from a competenant manager who doens't talk well, but does the walk.

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To: A Navy Vet

"finesse kept clinton in office for 8 years".....no......


women and ross perot got him elected twice....


61 posted on 09/30/2004 11:28:13 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: A Navy Vet
Finess is what kept clinton in office for 8 years.

Not at all. What kept Clinton in office was "I feel your pain." In short, his connection to the folks. Kerry doesn't have that. He has the polish, but not the connection. Gore had the polish, too -- but also not the connection. Some of the folks trusted Clinton -- and Clinton took a lot of what were essentially Republican positions to help them out. There is not a single indication in any poll that Kerry enjoys that trust or ever has and he's inarguably the most liberal candidate in modern times. Clinton was a dog, but he was a consistent dog. Not so Kerry. Plus, Clinton pulled Reagan Democrats in the South. Kerry isn't even making a blip there and nothing that he said tonight will change that. Your cause-effect analysis is faulty.

62 posted on 09/30/2004 11:30:22 PM PDT by Exigence
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To: A Navy Vet
However, knowing that a strong manager is not always the best PR voice for an organization, I will continue to support him against our WOT

Mighty nice of you :')

63 posted on 09/30/2004 11:30:27 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: kingattax
women and ross perot got him elected twice....

And, as of yet, Ross isn't running and women are moving towards Bush.

64 posted on 09/30/2004 11:31:29 PM PDT by Exigence
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To: A Navy Vet
I'm merely saying that Kerry articulated his points and was more focused than our President.

I agree, but his points were gobbledygook that will not stand the light of day. Conversely, Bush didn't say anything stupid that will be used against him at a later date.

65 posted on 09/30/2004 11:31:55 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: Exigence

I worry more about JK's party trying to replace him.


66 posted on 09/30/2004 11:32:34 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: The KG9 Kid
" The President can do better next time, and improve."

Out of all the people on FR, your political analysis has always made the most since. I hope so, too. I just believe his handlers should give him some room.

67 posted on 09/30/2004 11:32:36 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (www.opgratitude.com)
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To: A Navy Vet
What I saw, was platitudes and soundbites.

Which is exactly what wins the debate in the days following the actual event. Check history. 2000 certainly bore this out.

BTW, that's what is called "being on message," so essential to modern campaigns that get played out in the media.

68 posted on 09/30/2004 11:33:34 PM PDT by Exigence
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment
but his points were gobbledygook

Precisely. And boring as heck, to boot.

69 posted on 09/30/2004 11:34:40 PM PDT by Exigence
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To: Exigence

I agree. Early reports say Kerry won on "style," Bush on content. Well, this is a post-9/11 world...style doesn't cut it anymore.


70 posted on 09/30/2004 11:35:26 PM PDT by My2Cents (http://www.conservativesforbush.com)
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To: A Navy Vet

Relax brother. Bush isn't known for the philosophical depth of his answers. This is nothing new, yet he still leads in the polls. I don't see any change occurring.


71 posted on 09/30/2004 11:35:37 PM PDT by petrotsky
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To: Jackson Brown
" He was hamstrung by BEING PRESIDENT. "

Absolutley pitiful excuse. The man (President) has knowledge that his opponent has NO clue about. There are ways to phrase such intel without jeapordizing national security. President Bush keeps talking in generalitis...it's time for some specifics to count Kerry's B.S.

72 posted on 09/30/2004 11:38:14 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (www.opgratitude.com)
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To: ClancyJ

Some good points.


73 posted on 09/30/2004 11:40:08 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (www.opgratitude.com)
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To: My2Cents
...style doesn't cut it anymore.

Even if you are rich enough to be spray painted orange one day and recolored the next.

74 posted on 09/30/2004 11:40:16 PM PDT by Exigence
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To: A Navy Vet
With all due respect, you and I must have watched different debates. I honestly did not see any of this in the same way you did. Bush was at a decided disadvantage tonight and did exceptionally well considering the circumstances. It was clear that the night was stacked to place Bush on the defensive. There was little opportunity for him to do much more.

The President had to spend the entire debate defending his policies and his actions over the last 4 years. Kerry did not have to defend anything. He was not asked asked to defend his senate record or anything else of any significance other than a few words or opinions.

Kerry had the luxury of being nothing more than an attack dog on George Bush's life and hard work over his last term....practically all of which he spent engaged in dealing with a war that was thrust upon us after our nation was attacked. With the benefit of hindsight, it sure is easy to sound like an expert on everything. Bush had to make decisions without the benefit of any road maps. He developed his own doctrine and struck out to fight an enemy without a country and engage in a warfare unlike any we've ever experienced.

In contrast, I think Kerry's petty criticism made him look small up against a real leader even if the majority give a win on the technicals to John. After watching, I did not change my opinion and I doubt America did either. I still give Kerry an A+ at criticizing war and I still give George Bush an A+ at leading us in war. In the end, which do you think means more? I think most of those who watched know the answer.
75 posted on 09/30/2004 11:44:42 PM PDT by Route66 (America's Mainstreet)
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To: A Navy Vet

Albeit I'm not a koolaid drinking bushbot I think GW did well by letting Kerry rant on ommissional truths and in the split screen Kerry came off as the wise ass as he scribbled and dribbled but never scored a point. Bush had my vote going into this debate and will have it after the next two debates. Kerry gained some implied confidence that will come back to bite him as he can't handle and hold the integrity he so needs to appear presidential. He's just a pompass poodle pandering polidiot and I think the nation saw thru his self imposed validity.

The election is GW's to lose, but I think he's got the win sewed up but good !.......Stay safe !


76 posted on 09/30/2004 11:46:33 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: The KG9 Kid
" Kerry smoothly spoke about having some completely insane plans, while Bush occasionally stumbled through the right answer. The President can do better next time, and improve."

We're on the same page as usual. My problem is the undecided voters who are impressed with the "smoothies". Geeze, clinton talked about his underwear on MTV and all was good. I have lost so much faith in the American populace to look past sound bites. Please, a huge part of the American TV audience think these "reality" shows are truly REAL!

We are a nation of naive idiots who will buy into anything that is slickly produced, wheather TV, movies, music, or even politics.

The point being, sound bites in politics with the right tone and visual mannerisms sells. Forget substance...it's all about sales. Bush does not sell as well as Kerry. Although, I think Bush will win because of numerous negatives against Kerry.

77 posted on 09/30/2004 11:53:17 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (www.opgratitude.com)
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To: danamco
"...you go up and take his place and let's see how well you would be doing!!!"

Okay. Got bucks?

78 posted on 09/30/2004 11:56:12 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (www.opgratitude.com)
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To: Exigence

Try looking at the responses he got that are so typical for anyone who doesn't go with the flow. No rebuttal of any of his specifics, just slams as a DU troll.

Alternate views and opinions need to be voiced.

Beeing a cheering chorus of 'yes men' doesn't help anyone.


79 posted on 09/30/2004 11:58:01 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Hey! They've got lettuce today.)
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To: Squantos
He's just a pompass poodle pandering polidiot and I think the nation saw thru his self imposed validity.

Not to mention that Kerry had to admit to making mistakes. It was the only way he could square his conflicting statements. He tried to back Bush into a similar position, but Bush steadfastly stuck to his convictions and portrayed his clarity of vision. Glitz will fade, but steadfastness leaves a lasting impression. See what the polls say in 48 hours -- when the true impact of the debate is measurable.

80 posted on 09/30/2004 11:58:32 PM PDT by Exigence
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