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ROTK:EE Discussion Thread (SPOILERS!)
Our febrile brainia | 12/16/04 | Daniel J. Phillips

Posted on 12/16/2004 9:13:32 AM PST by BibChr

For those who've seen the Extended Edition of the final movie of the Lord of the Rings trilogy, "The Return of the King."

If you haven't seen it and just want to mention how superior you are to everyone else and, though you've never created anything in your life that anyone would want to see, you're sure you'd have done a better job and the pictures are total irredeemable trash... please start your own thread with that as the title.

Otherwise, this is the place to discuss what you loved, what you loathed, what you found baffling, and basically other of the usual give-and-take of those of us who've followed the production of Peter Jackson's massive, flawed and yet magnificent artistic accomplishment.

BE WARNED! TOTAL SPOILERS AHEAD!



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To: BibChr; StoneColdGOP

We haven't had a chance to watch it yet. I am hosting my own Super Trilogy Tuesday next week.


21 posted on 12/16/2004 9:34:35 AM PST by Bella_Bru (You're about as funny as a case sensitive search engine.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Sigh. Yes, HOTdog, that must be it. I must have "just missed it"... even though I've mentioned that before. It can't be that I hoped that it would be brought out more clearly, to fill out this (in the book) noble character, corrupted by Sauron — as was his son Boromir, indirectly.

Dan

22 posted on 12/16/2004 9:35:07 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: ItsOurTimeNow; BibChr
Why is Elrond okay with his daughter marrying a guy who clearly completely forgot about her? Dumb, dumb, dumb." I still don't understand all of that. Just wierd and out of place for the movie.

I don't understand the issue here.... What forgetting? The facts here, are not out of line with the book, and in the book, you'd have even less background on her when she suddenly appears for a wedding.

23 posted on 12/16/2004 9:36:36 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

Oh, yes! Right, thanks, one I left out. I'd read he was crying over Gamling, or someone. Yes, I liked that too.

Dan


24 posted on 12/16/2004 9:36:47 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr

OK - whatever... I don't think the movie is about the fall of the noble Denethor. ;~D

You're so ~testy~


25 posted on 12/16/2004 9:38:56 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: BibChr
Still, Denethor's use of (and undoing because of) the Palantir is absent.

*grumble*

26 posted on 12/16/2004 9:39:16 AM PST by Bella_Bru (You're about as funny as a case sensitive search engine.)
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To: BibChr

NO FAIR!

Have it but have not SEEN it yet!


27 posted on 12/16/2004 9:40:08 AM PST by StoneColdGOP (Name a shrub after me - something prickly and hard to eradicate.)
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To: HairOfTheDog

No, no...not that. I have problems with the "Arwen is going to die unless you kill Sauron" nonsense. Arwen's littl "Sleeping Beauty" impression, and Aragorn's subsequent fear and trembling over it.

(You're forgetting my issues with the whole way Arwen was depicted in the films. I still stand up when I talk about it!)


28 posted on 12/16/2004 9:41:04 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Forth now, and fear no darkness!")
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To: StoneColdGOP

Where are your PRIORITIES, man? I came in late Wed morning, on 5.5 hrs sleep!

Dan
(c;


29 posted on 12/16/2004 9:45:13 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

OKAY.... I just take the "Arwen is dying" in the context that she had decided to stay and be mortal. In the context of elves, everyone who is mortal is dying. So yes, if they don't succeed in killing Sauron, Arwen is now committed to the evil that will take over everything else, rather than safe in the undying lands. "She's decided to stay with you, Aragorn, so her fate is now tied to your success". Is what that means to me.


30 posted on 12/16/2004 9:47:18 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: BibChr

My biggest disappointment was that the Extended still opened with the un-needed smeagol/deagol sequence.


31 posted on 12/16/2004 9:51:31 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: BibChr

I was so hoping for an actual scene like in the books between Faramir and Eowyn. Didn't get it. Ok, the ten seconds in the garden was nice, but... instead, we got still more Arwen angst. Bleah.


32 posted on 12/16/2004 9:53:04 AM PST by JenB (I will not turn into a snake. It doesn't help.)
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To: JenB

Well, on the theory that "some" is better than "none"... it's something.

Face it: you and I'd've been happy if the THIRD movie had been a trilogy — if it could have been released all at once. Okay, and the FIRST movie, too.

Second was about right.

(c8

Dan


33 posted on 12/16/2004 9:55:23 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: JenB
instead, we got still more Arwen angst

What Arwen angst was new? (scratches head)

34 posted on 12/16/2004 9:55:24 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: BibChr

Yup... and if certain Gondorians had been represented more even-handedly, that would have been nice too.

First movie could have been a two-parter, but the third needed a lot more.


35 posted on 12/16/2004 9:58:25 AM PST by JenB (I will not turn into a snake. It doesn't help.)
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To: HairOfTheDog

At the very least there was the whole "Aragorn and the palantir" scene. What, he's totally freaked out by an image of his sleeping girlfriend?


36 posted on 12/16/2004 9:58:58 AM PST by JenB (I will not turn into a snake. It doesn't help.)
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To: JenB

Yeah - I can't say I'd have thought up that sequence....

Why does Legolas shoot Wormtongue?


37 posted on 12/16/2004 10:01:35 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

Um, because Gandalf wanted information, not blood, out of Saruman?


38 posted on 12/16/2004 10:03:21 AM PST by JenB (I will not turn into a snake. It doesn't help.)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Why do the hobbits kill him in the book?


39 posted on 12/16/2004 10:03:52 AM PST by ecurbh () | () | ()
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To: ecurbh

At least in the book, the hobbits had suffered at Wormtongue's hand and would have reason. In our movie, Theoden offered Wormtongue redemption and forgiveness, and then Legolas offs him.

Yes, Wormtongue had to die in the plot, but I thought he ans Saruman would just fall together...


40 posted on 12/16/2004 10:08:09 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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