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10 Ways Darwinists Help Intelligent Design (Part I)
Evangelical Outpost ^ | 08/03/2006 | Joe Carter

Posted on 08/03/2006 12:22:06 PM PDT by SirLinksalot

10 Ways Darwinists Help Intelligent Design (Part I)

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Eighty years after the Scopes “Monkey” Trial, the public still refuses to accept the idea that Darwin’s theory of natural selection is a sufficient explanation for complex biological phenomena. In fact, opinion polls show that fewer people are willing to accept the idea that human beings developed from earlier species than they were just ten years ago.

In Britain—a country that is not exactly known for fundamentalist Christianity—fewer than half accept the theory of evolution as the best description for the development of life. (And more than 40% of those polled believe that creationism or intelligent design (ID) should be taught in school science lessons.) Even doctors, who are more informed about biology than the general public, overwhelmingly (60%) reject the claim that humans evolved through natural processes alone.

Why do so many people have such difficulty accepting the theory? Is it due to a resurgence of religious-based creationism? Or is it that the Discovery Institute and other advocates of Intelligent Design are more persuasive? I believe the credit belongs not to the advocates of ID but to the theory’s critics.

Had the critics remained silent, ID might possibly have moldered in obscurity. But instead they launched a counter-offensive, forcing people into choosing sides. The problem is that the more the public learns about modern evolutionary theory, the more skeptical they become.

I won’t argue that critics of ID are always wrong or that ID is always—or even mostly—right in its claims. But I do think a compelling case can be made that the anti-IDers are losing the rhetorical battle. Here is the first five in a list of ten reasons ways in which they are helping to promote the theory of intelligent design:

#1 By remaining completely ignorant about ID while knocking down strawman versions of the theory. – Whether due to intellectual snobbery or intellectual laziness, too many critics of ID never bother to understand what the term means, much less learn the general tenets of the theory. Instead, they knock down a strawman version of ID that they have gleaned from other, equally ill-informed, critics. The belligerent or paranoid advocates of ID will assume that the misrepresentation is due to dishonesty or a conspiracy by “Darwinists.” But even those who are more charitable will agree that when a critic misrepresents the theory, it undermines their own credibility.

#2 By claiming that ID is stealth creationism. -- Resorting to this red herring is one of the most common arguments made against ID. While it’s true that ID could be used to promote a particular religious agenda, this is not a sufficient argument against it being a legitimate scientific research program. There is no a priori reason why a research program could not be completely in adherence to accepted scientific methods and yet be completely compatible with a particular religious viewpoint.

But it also refuses to acknowledge the vast majority of people throughout history have believed in at least a basic form of creationism. Most people believe that some form of intelligent being (i.e., God) created the universe and everything in it. For most of these people, “creationism” is not a derogatory term. The phrase “stealth creationism” might appeal to the pseudo-intellectuals (those who know almost nothing about science but do know that they despise “fundamentalist Christians”) yet for most ordinary people it sounds like bigoted nonsense.

#3 By resorting to “science of the gaps” arguments. – Critics of ID often claim that the theory relies on a “God of the Gaps” “argument. (Don’t understand how something occurred? Well…God did it. Case closed.) As scientific reasoning, this method is obviously flawed. Yet the critics of ID often resort to the same tactic, only instead of saying “God did it” they claim “Science will find it.”

The problem is that this almost never happens. Closing a "science gap" almost always leads to the discovery of other, even more difficult to explain gaps in knowledge. For example, when evolution was first proposed by Darwin, there was no explanation for the mechanism of transmission of traits from one generation to the next. With the discovery of DNA, Watson and Crick closed that particular “gap.”

But as physicist David Snoke notes, no one today has an adequate explanation for how this highly complicated molecule arose out of nowhere. Also, we do not have an adequate explanation within chemical evolutionary theory for the appearance of the mechanism that gives us a readout of the information, or for the appearance of methods that replicate information with out error, or for the appearance of the delicate balance of repair and maintenance of the molecular systems that use the information stored in DNA.

Scientific discoveries tend to find that nature is even more complex than we imagined which makes it even more unlikely that a process like natural selection is a sufficient explanation.

#4 By claiming that ID isn’t science since it's not published peer-reviewed literature...and then refusing to allow publications of ID papers in peer-reviewed journals. – The hypocrisy of snubbing ID because it lacks peer-review was exposed by the treatment of Richard Sternberg, a journal editor who made the career-killing mistake of actually publishing an article that was sympathetic to ID.

The resulting controversy exposed just how close-minded some scientists were to criticisms of neo-Darwinism. As Sternberg—who is not an advocate of ID--said after the incident, “It's fascinating how the 'creationist' label is falsely applied to anyone who raises any questions about neo-Darwinian evolutionary theory. The reaction to the paper by some [anti-creationist] extremists suggests that the thought police are alive and well in the scientific community."

#5 By making claims that natural selection is responsible for all behaviors and biological features. -- Instead of saying that “God created X”, Darwinists tend to claim that “Sex selection created X.” Take, for instance, this statement made by zoologist Richard Dawkins:

"Why did humans lose their body hair? Why did they start walking on their hind legs? Why did they develop big brains? I think that the answer to all three questions is sexual selection," Dawkins said. Hairlessness advertises your health to potential mates, he explained. The less hair you have on your body, the less real estate you make available to lice and other ectoparasites. Of course, it was worth keeping the hair on our heads to protect against sunstroke, which can be very dangerous in Africa, where we evolved. As for the hair in our armpits and pubic regions, that was probably retained because it helps disseminate "pheromones," airborne scent signals that still play a bigger role in our sex lives than most of us realize.

Why did we lose our body hair? Sex selection. Why do we retain some body hair? Yep, sex selection. Why do humans walk on two legs? Again, the same answer, sex selection. Why do dogs walk on all four? You guessed it, sex selection.

The same goes for human behavior. Hardly a week goes by that some newspaper or magazine article does not include a story claiming how “evolution” is the reason humans do X, avoid Y, or prefer Z.

Even scientists grow weary of hearing such faith claims presented as if was “science.” As Philip S. Skell, emeritus professor at Pennsylvania State University, and a member of the National Academy of Sciences, notes in a recent edition of The Scientist:

…Darwinian explanations for [human behavior] are often too supple: Natural selection makes humans self- centered and aggressive - except when it makes them altruistic and peaceable. Or natural selection produces virile men who eagerly spread their seed - except when it prefers men who are faithful protectors and providers. When an explanation is so supple that it can explain any behavior, it is difficult to test it experimentally, much less use it as a catalyst for scientific discovery.

Even those who flunked high school biology can see that when a theory can be used to prove any behavior that it ceases to be science and enters the realm of faith. Yet when evolutionists make such claims they are often flummoxed by the public’s skeptical reaction. They can’t understand how we could be so stupid as to not accept their claims. And we wonder how they could be so stupid as to think we are really that gullible.

To be continued in Part II


TOPICS: History; Science
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To: My2Cents

"Every other scientific theory invites critical analysis,"

Really. Could you name some of those theories that "invite critical analysis" by lay persons not involved in the science.

The Theory of Evolution is challenged all the time by scientists working in that field. Much has been learned since Darwin wrote.

Lay people have no ability to challenge the sciences, since they don't even understand them. You could, for example, challenge the current Theory of Gravitation. However, your challenge would be ridiculous, unless you are a scientist in that field. Incidentally, there are constant challenges to whatever is the current Theory of Gravitation. All come from scientists, just as the challenges to Evolutionary Theory come from scientists.

For a religious leader to challenge the Theory of Evolution without being a scientist himself is laughable. We see this all the time here on Free Republic. The challenges are many, but the knowledge is miniscule.

When someone appears and actually challenges those here with actual facts that can be demonstrated, I'll be absolutely floored. Instead, we get Genesis...hardly a scientific journal.


41 posted on 08/03/2006 12:46:21 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: MineralMan
The opinions of non-scientists are pretty useless when you have questions regarding the sciences.

I don't mean to be rude, but that's one of the sorriest comments I have ever read on Free Republic.

The opinions of non-politicians are pretty useless when you have questions regarding politics.

The opinions of non-artists are pretty useless when you have questions regarding art.

The opinions of men are pretty useless when you have questions regarding women. (Yes, I only recognize 2 sexes.)

The opinions of non-believers are pretty useless when you have questions regarding theology.

By shutting out all but the true believers from the debate you GUARANTEE that you will, eventually, stray into a fundamentalist religion. It's preciesly because science can operate in the full light of day, defending itself against all comers, that it has brought us so far.

If you can't explain your science to the layman, I would propose you are no longer dealing in science.

Shalom.

42 posted on 08/03/2006 12:48:29 PM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: MineralMan
About the only people who use the word "Darwinist" are those who are attempting to discredit the Theory of Evolution.

Who are those people who put fish with feet on their cars that have DARWIN written inside?

Shalom.

43 posted on 08/03/2006 12:50:20 PM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: ArGee

"The opinions of men are pretty useless when you have questions regarding women."

I'm sorry, was there some insanely huge discovery lately that cleared up that timeless mystery while I was upstairs playing video games?


44 posted on 08/03/2006 12:51:44 PM PDT by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: SirLinksalot
One does not use polls in science.

Scientific theories are based on observations in nature and/or observations of experiments in the lab. Then conclusions are drawn up from the observations. Then others do peer reviews of the work and of course further observations are done by other scientists to either uphold or demolish the scientific theory.

That's how science operates.

45 posted on 08/03/2006 12:52:49 PM PDT by hawkaw
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To: ArGee

Just guessing but I think the correct definition of theory as it is used in science has been posted to this site 1000's of times by dozens of different posters. And people still use that work incorrectly.

It isn't a question of being able to explain it, some just will not listen.


46 posted on 08/03/2006 12:53:33 PM PDT by RFC_Gal (It's not just a boulder; It's a rock! A ro-o-ock. The pioneers used to ride these babies for miles!)
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To: SirLinksalot
Excellent post by Dembski. Read it three times, in fact.

I sincerely doubt that more than a handful of people really understood what Dembski was saying.

Sauron

47 posted on 08/03/2006 12:53:39 PM PDT by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: ArGee

"If you can't explain your science to the layman, I would propose you are no longer dealing in science.

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I give you String Theory. So far, I have not found a comprehensible lay explanation of it. Same with subatomic physics.

Still, if you wish information on those two subjects, who would you ask? A lay person?


48 posted on 08/03/2006 12:54:07 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: purpleporter

>>Evolution is proven EVERY SINGLE DAY, for those with half a brain.<<

Subtle! And a GOOD ONE! Most here won't even get it, I suspect.


49 posted on 08/03/2006 12:54:19 PM PDT by RobRoy (Islam is more dangerous to the world now that Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: My2Cents

Viruses!

EVERYDAY for those with...


50 posted on 08/03/2006 12:54:28 PM PDT by purpleporter
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To: purpleporter
"Evolution is proven EVERY SINGLE DAY, for those with half a brain."

I agree completely. Those with half a brain agree that evolution is proven every single day.
51 posted on 08/03/2006 12:54:58 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: MineralMan
For a religious leader to challenge the Theory of Evolution without being a scientist himself is laughable.

So I see you are using the tactic that ID is a cover for religion?

I think you are allowing your personal religious beliefs (atheist) to conflict with fact.

Many who are intrigued or support ID are well-respected scientists......unless they have been attacked by those supporting evolution.

52 posted on 08/03/2006 12:55:42 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: wolfcreek
Darwin was wrong. It was the Alantians that brought man to this planet.

Even more interesting is the theory propounded by no less a giant than the discoverer of the structure of the DNA molecule, Nobel Prize winner, Francis Crick who once hypothesized -- DIRECTED PANSPERMIA in a book entitled, LIFE ITSELF ( 1981 ).

Crick was not the only scientist to toy with this idea. Astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle and his colleague, Chandra Wickramasinghe ( still with Cardiff University ) also posited that life on earth was "seeded" via PANSPERMIA.

Hoyle compared the random emergence of even the simplest cell to the likelihood that "a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein." Hoyle also compared the chance of obtaining even a single functioning protein by chance combination of amino acids to a solar system full of blind men solving Rubik's Cube simultaneously.
53 posted on 08/03/2006 12:55:54 PM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: Sofa King
I'm sorry, was there some insanely huge discovery lately that cleared up that timeless mystery while I was upstairs playing video games?

Men are from earth. Women are from earth. Live with it.

I know that doesn't really help, but I read it on FR last week and thought it was pretty funny.

Anyway, men and women are no easier or harder to understand than any other complex biological organism. The less likely we will act like robots. Sometimes we will do things that others can predict. Sometimes we won't.

I submit that women don't understand women any better than men do - it's just that the lack of sexual tension makes it less of an issue.

Now, did something happen while I was in a meeting that ended men discussing women?

Shalom.

54 posted on 08/03/2006 12:56:07 PM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: ArGee

"Who are those people who put fish with feet on their cars that have DARWIN written inside?"

I couldn't answer that, as I don't know any of them. If they're not scientists, then they're in the same boat as other non-scientists. Are they Darwinists? If they self-identify as such, I suppose they are.

I'm willing to bet that very few of them are working in the field, however.


55 posted on 08/03/2006 12:56:31 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: ArGee

You mean the Flying spaghetti MONSTER??


56 posted on 08/03/2006 12:57:44 PM PDT by purpleporter
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To: RFC_Gal
Just guessing but I think the correct definition of theory as it is used in science has been posted to this site 1000's of times by dozens of different posters. And people still use that work incorrectly.

So you would say that the entire explaination of your science is understanding what a theory is?

I don't know what your science is, but I don't think it's anything I would be interested in.

What I would be interested in is an elevator statement explaining the mechanism that introduces a change in a complex organism, such as a rabbit or a chipmunk, to a layman.

If it's not doable, it's not science, it's magic.

Shalom.

57 posted on 08/03/2006 12:58:02 PM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: MineralMan; ArGee
Post 21I'm not a scientist.

You know, since you're not a scientist by your own admission, why should we listen to what you have to say on the subject? You really shot yourself in the foot on this one.

58 posted on 08/03/2006 12:58:04 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: js1138
If you are not Dembski, why do you publish his work under your name?

What does that have to do with the issue at hand Mr. Dawkins ?
59 posted on 08/03/2006 12:58:58 PM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: MineralMan
I give you String Theory. So far, I have not found a comprehensible lay explanation of it. Same with subatomic physics.

So break it down. Don't explain all of subatomic physics. Explain part of it. I understand protons, neutrons, and electrons. I understand quarks to some extent. I understand the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.

Unfortunately, some of the physicists I have talked with seem to think that math proves reality, instead of the other way around. Many of those don't mind that they have a mathematical model but don't know what it means. They then can't explain it to me. But that's not science, it's magic.

Shalom.

60 posted on 08/03/2006 1:01:07 PM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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