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JonBenet Ramsey Murder Case SuspectFR Thread Roundup
Free Republic ^ | August 16-20, 2006 | FReepers

Posted on 08/20/2006 5:37:25 AM PDT by Rte66

For your bookmarking assistance, this is a reference list of links to the Aug 2006 or newer Free Republic threads on the topic of the JonBenet Ramsey murder case and the possible arrest of John Mark Karr as a suspect in her murder.


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To: BigSkyFreeper

>>>"To the best of our recollection, he was either with us in Atlanta or with (his ex-wife) Lara," Nate Karr said. "It's not as easy as you might think to remember 10 years ago.">>>

'We don't know where he was, we just know he wasn't THERE.' Sheesh. Nate needs to shut up, he isn't helping John at all.


1,901 posted on 08/25/2006 6:55:39 AM PDT by sandbar
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To: hoosiermama

true, that is if they don't have evidence right now that he did it and can prove it.


1,902 posted on 08/25/2006 6:56:32 AM PDT by Halls (Proud to be called a Daughter of Texas!)
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To: sandbar
Seems to me that Nate is trying to "help his own case". Looking out more for his own embarrassing self than for John. After reading what Wendy Hutchens posted have wondered if anyone was looking out for John....My heart aches for abused children. Sadly they often become the abusing adult, or worse.
1,903 posted on 08/25/2006 7:00:31 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: hoosiermama; sandbar
Seems to me that Nate is trying to "help his own case". Looking out more for his own embarrassing self than for John. After reading what Wendy Hutchens posted have wondered if anyone was looking out for John....My heart aches for abused children. Sadly they often become the abusing adult, or worse.

For someone like JMK who has come from a broken down family, being abused is considered "normal" in their eyes, and they end up carrying that stigma with them into their adult lives. To the rest of us, the lives of JMK are just downright abnormal, galling, tragic and sad.

1,904 posted on 08/25/2006 7:11:52 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: hoosiermama

Didn't I hear they could charge him for making a false confession and he could get 10 years? If ANYONE needs to get 10 years for making a false confession it would be him. But if he is that delusional, he needs to at the very least be in a mental facility.


1,905 posted on 08/25/2006 7:23:16 AM PDT by sandbar
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To: sandbar

I believe after watching Primetime this past Monday night, Karr comes off as both physically and emotionally abused. Some expert said that JMK built up this fantasy world around him, that to him seems real, and can't distinguish fantasy from reality. Whether that's a cover for past crimes or just part of the mental sickness, is anyone's guess.


1,906 posted on 08/25/2006 7:28:46 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: sandbar; mystery-ak; Halls; Rte66

IMO Ten years in the General population of a prison would be a life sentence for John.

BTW, the X DA was just on Court TV saying they could have gotten his DNA from the envelope he sent the prof.....I said that a couple of days ago.....He'd better catch up!

FYI an abuser is not considered "mentally ill". Abuse is considered a behavior disorder and not treatable.


1,907 posted on 08/25/2006 7:36:09 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Sorry I thought I had you included in the above post. The last comment was for you.


1,908 posted on 08/25/2006 7:39:19 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: hoosiermama

"FYI an abuser is not considered "mentally ill". Abuse is considered a behavior disorder and not treatable."



...from everything I have read on the subject that statement is true...that is why there is so many repeat offenders....once they are caught, they should never be allowed out in the general population.


1,909 posted on 08/25/2006 7:45:26 AM PDT by mystery-ak (My Son, My Soldier, My Hero..............)
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To: Halls

"Here is the deal. This DA has 72 hrs to charge Karr for the murder of JBR or not. If she doesn't charge him than we will know he didn't do the crime. If he does there will likely be an arress afidavit that tells us a bit more of what the evidence is on him. So by Monday I think we will know if Karr did the crime or not, but we will just have to be patient. If for on haven't decided yet like some people. Heck, some people refuse to believe he did it and still point to the Ramsey's. I think he might have done it, but I won't say without doubt I think he did or didn't kill JBR."

The rocky mountain news reported today that prosecutors in Boulder - who know about as much as we do about the evidence - said they think the DA must have a really solid case against JMK b/c of the speed with which CA released him to CO. Just insiders hunches, but interesting. I do suspect there is more, I'm just wondering what it is.


1,910 posted on 08/25/2006 7:45:36 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: hoosiermama

>>>IMO Ten years in the General population of a prison would be a life sentence for John. >>>

My aunt said that to me the other night. She said any way you look at it, it looks like we are going to have a funeral to go to before it's over. Whether the DP or murder.


1,911 posted on 08/25/2006 7:47:24 AM PDT by sandbar
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To: ableLight

link:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4944090,00.html


1,912 posted on 08/25/2006 7:53:49 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: sandbar

Hi Sandbar,

...unless he's acquitted...


1,913 posted on 08/25/2006 7:55:22 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: Halls; Always Right

Halls, thanks for focusing us on the fact that {{{the DA has to decide quickly}}} on whether to bring a case or not.

They say he won't be processed before Monday. I got the impression after that is when the 72-hr clock starts running, but someone else might know better.

LOL...I see you've been corrected to: we'll see by then whether the DA thinks she's got a case, NOT that we'll know if he did it or not. Welllll...that depends.

I understand what "always right" is saying. However, he could be outright CLEARED. They could say there's evidence he was not in Boulder CO, for instance, or something else that shows he couldn't have committed the crime.

We'll just have to...GASP..{{{wait and see}}} if he's charged, given a clean bill on the murder charge, or they just release him for lack of sufficient evidence.


1,914 posted on 08/25/2006 8:00:13 AM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: ableLight; sandbar

He still has the charges against him in CA. There would be no way they could protect him by keeping him in solitary for those misdemeanors. May be the reason they didn't initially take him there first.....CO does seem to be trying to protect him.


1,915 posted on 08/25/2006 8:02:36 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: ableLight

>>>Hi Sandbar,

...unless he's acquitted...>>>

True.


1,916 posted on 08/25/2006 8:02:44 AM PDT by sandbar
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To: sandbar

Do you know which brother of John's Nate is? John reportedly claims he has a brother who "worked for John Ramsey" and that he went with his brother to a Ramsey Christmas party prior to the day of the murder. Claims he sat on a staircase with JonBenet and did coin tricks for her, gaining her trust, for later when he would lure her from her bed to go with him, on the night of her death. This is one of the things about his story that you would think could be easily investigated and proven or disproven.


1,917 posted on 08/25/2006 8:08:37 AM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: All

Another freaky story that I heard about from recording Good Morning America this morning.

AUSTRIA
Abducted girl retells 8-yr nightmare
Michael Adler
Fri, 25 Aug 2006
An Austrian teenager held captive for eight years has given the first account of her ordeal to police since escaping, saying she had to call her kidnapper "master" though he was "kind" to her, press reports said on Friday.

Police said DNA samples have confirmed that the young woman who turned up after disappearing in 1998 when 10 years old is in fact Natascha Kampusch.

~SNIP~

more at link...
http://iafrica.com/news/features/963323.htm


1,918 posted on 08/25/2006 8:17:18 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: All

A few points to catch up with:

1. Could that mug shot make Karr look any more creepy? The lighting looks like one of those Hollywood movies where they try to make you look evil. Of course, with all the photo tricks coming out of Beirut, maybe the Boulder folks do their own photoshopping. Or maybe he really does look evil.

2. Nate's doing what any brother should do. They stand up for their family mamber and force the prosecutors to prove he was at the scene of the crime. People keep forgetting that it's the prosecution who has to prove Karr was in Boulder, not the family who has to prove he was not. If this is going to turn into trail-by-media, somebody from the family needed to jump in and speak for the family, even if they don't have all their facts lined up yet.

FWIW, I have my own black sheep brother who drifts in and out of our lives. He's the sort that one could picture joining a convent or shooting up a post office and say to yourself "it's possible". But if he were accused of something like this, I guarantee you I would publicly challenge the prosecutors to prove it was him and prove he was there. I wouldn't lie for him, but I'd make the prosecutors back up their claims. He's family and because he's family, we're going to defend first and wait for the facts to contradict us.

3. Sonoma County, CA says they alerted the Boulder folks about Karr in 2001 when he was up on the kiddie porn rap and noted him blabbing about the JBR case. The Boulder folks weren't interested then. Now the DNA in the panties that did not come from a family member angle surfaced in 2002 (the Rocky Mountain News had a story saying it could have been DNA from when it was manufactured in Southeast Asia from somebody coughing or sneezing). In 2003, they took what they could make of this DNA sample and the DNA sample under JBR's fingernails and ran it through a national crime database of 1.5 million perps which turned up nothing. Wouldn't Sonoma County, CA have taken a DNA profile of Karr, a known kiddie porn guy with possible pedophile history and a fugitive from justice, and added that to this national database in 2001? And if not, why not? So, is it possible Karr's DNA has already been compared and came up not a match?

4. The "police must have something on Karr they aren't telling us to have him arrested in Thailand" angle seems to be getting weaker by the day. FWIW, I don't fault Boulder for arresting him and bringing him in. He certainly has behaved like a person of interest, they've tried to locate him for months, they found their chance and seized it. Karr could have vanished on them and we would then never know if he was the killer or not. But I think that's essentially all Boulder has to go on is the psuedo-confession of this guy and his odd communications with the CU professor. This case has been a black eye for Boulder going on ten years. It doesn't surprise me at all that they want desperately to resolve this for their own sake and would be willing to go halfway around the world to bring in a possible suspect. It doesn't mean they have much more than that to go on.


1,919 posted on 08/25/2006 8:22:26 AM PDT by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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To: txrangerette

>>>Do you know which brother of John's Nate is? >>>

He is his younger half brother, by his father's second wife. I don't know which brother John was referring to as working for John Ramsey.


1,920 posted on 08/25/2006 8:24:31 AM PDT by sandbar
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To: sandbar

Thanks. Does John have a brother with the same mother as him? How about any other brother by the same father? What are the "brother who worked for Ramsey" possibilities? ...If you know...


1,921 posted on 08/25/2006 8:27:38 AM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: sandbar

I can't help wonder if "brother" refers to a fellow pedophile and not a blood relative.


1,922 posted on 08/25/2006 8:36:21 AM PDT by Valpal1 (Big Media is like Barney Fife with a gun.)
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To: txrangerette

>>>Thanks. Does John have a brother with the same mother as him? How about any other brother by the same father? What are the "brother who worked for Ramsey" possibilities? ...If you know...>>>

Yes, brother with same mother, don't think any other brother with father. No idea about the 'brother who worked for the Ramsey's', but since they are all in Atlanta, and the father did some remodeling/construction work on his own rental property, would stand to reason it's possible that Nate did some work in that field too.


1,923 posted on 08/25/2006 8:40:24 AM PDT by sandbar
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To: Tall_Texan

It isn't getting weaker, it's just static.

A judge had to agree to the issuing of the arrest warrant that brought him back from Thailand. The DA presented an affadavit to the judge to go along with the warrant request. According to a Media report I saw, the affadavit for reasons to arrest Karr was somewhere between 50 and 80 pages.

The DA issued a statement saying that material in the affadavit is being kept sealed by order of the judge and at her request, because it contains material not known to the public and important material to pursuing justice in the case.

We'll just have to wait and see what she's got and what conclusions she reaches and I'm prepared to accept it...with the caveat, unless something comes up to show she's not honest or competent. If a trial ensues, I'll pay attention to the trial to see if I agree with the outcome.

I'm not forgetting that Karr claims to have been with JonBenet when she died. HELLO! Is anyone home?? What kind of DA would ignore such declarations.

I cannot speak for what happened when CA passed along what it had on Karr to Boulder back 5 yrs. ago. I hear there's controversy about that and I don't know the facts.

But now, this guy must be ruled in or out, to the best of our system's ability to do so.


1,924 posted on 08/25/2006 8:45:29 AM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: stlnative

Who is Alyssa?


1,925 posted on 08/25/2006 8:45:33 AM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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To: sandbar

So, there's two brothers...one with his same mother, and one with his same father.

Unless Nate is outright lying, and not merely spinning to "help" out John, I think we could rule out Nate as being the one John could have referred to. The other option is that John made it up about there being any brother he went with to a party at the Ramseys.

BTW, it has been stated by those with knowledge that these "brothers" weren't on the party guest list, that everyone at the party was someone close to the Ramseys, and that everyone there knew who everybody else was. It has also been stated that there's no evidence a brother of John ever worked for John Ramsey.

FReeper bonfire brought up the thought that could they have been working at the party in some capacity, not guests, and the thought was, working in connection to the party, NOT working in construction. I've not seen any other speculation on this.

Until this is explained by facts of the case being exhaustively pursued and such crucial ?? answered, I'm just in a "wait and see" mode.


1,926 posted on 08/25/2006 8:58:34 AM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: txrangerette
But now, this guy must be ruled in or out, to the best of our system's ability to do so.

Absolutely. I don't disagree at all with bringing him in and sorting out the facts. Karr almost seems to be begging them to do so.

I just see all this hyperventilation in the media over him when I've yet to see any tangible evidence linking him to the crime other than his own words. If they had something solid, *somebody* has usually leaked it by now. Either congrats to the DA's office for being tight-lipped or they really have a suspect without much of a case.

1,927 posted on 08/25/2006 9:02:34 AM PDT by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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To: Valpal1

"I can't help wonder if "brother" refers to a fellow pedophile and not a blood relative."

I had that exact thought.



1,928 posted on 08/25/2006 9:13:12 AM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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To: txrangerette

OK, so when do you expect he will be released?

this is going to be another Duke rape case. they are going to try Karr on whatever they have.


1,929 posted on 08/25/2006 9:51:06 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: stlnative

yes, but - how do we know these aren't just fantasies he is describing?


1,930 posted on 08/25/2006 9:53:51 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: txrangerette

>>>So, there's two brothers...one with his same mother, and one with his same father.>>>

The brother that he shares the same mother with, also shares the same father.

In other words. Mother & Father have older brother and John. Mother and father divorce and father remarries and has Nate.


1,931 posted on 08/25/2006 10:12:39 AM PDT by sandbar
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To: sandbar

The MSM reported (yea, I know) that Nate said that for John NOT to have been with his family would have been a "family scandal". Does that sound right from your perspective?


1,932 posted on 08/25/2006 10:18:55 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: sandbar

Got it.

Just saw Rita Cosby breathlessly reporting that she has spoken with a former classmate of John's. I only got in on the end of this...apparently the woman says Karr told her details about how he got into the Ramseys house and was able to do what he did the night of the murder, or at least he told her he could easily explain that to her.

Seems he must have been commenting to her in a way that indicated he killed JonBenet. This was BEFORE he was picked up in Thailand. After he was picked up, she subsequently contacted an investigator with the Boulder authorities and has told him of the statements Karr made to her.

Sorry I can't tell more...did anyone else see the whole thing??


1,933 posted on 08/25/2006 10:21:03 AM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: ableLight

>>>The MSM reported (yea, I know) that Nate said that for John NOT to have been with his family would have been a "family scandal". Does that sound right from your perspective?>>>

I don't know about the relationship he had with his father as my side was divorced from them a long time ago. If anything, I would think it would have been talked about because he was so protecting and overbearing of his wives (obviously as reported by his wives). Most of my contact came through funerals or other family functions later in life and since airfare would have been involved, it was usually him by himself. But I can see it being a big deal for John to be absent from his kids. At some point he loved them tremendously. When the mental illnes started taking over, I think he removed himself from them and the love for them. Just my layman observation mind you.

At anyrate, I don't see why everyone is focusing on Christmas morning. What about afternoon and evening. That is when most families disperse. Who's to say Lara's parents didn't like John that much, but she wanted to let the kids go see their other Grandma and Grandpa and she took them alone. I just don't know.


1,934 posted on 08/25/2006 10:31:53 AM PDT by sandbar
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To: txrangerette

><>>Just saw Rita Cosby breathlessly reporting that she has spoken with a former classmate of John's.>>>

Classmate where? From High School??? I'm confused


1,935 posted on 08/25/2006 10:37:14 AM PDT by sandbar
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To: onyx
need to get out of here. G'Night everybody.

"Wake Up Little Suzie" ................

The Everly Brothers...................

1,936 posted on 08/25/2006 10:45:20 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Oh good .............. it's August 24th and we're still here. Who'd a thunk it?)
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To: sandbar

I got in on the last of her report. I thought from hs. But someone he was in contact with AFTER the murder, to him he apparently made incriminating comments. At first she didn't know how to take it and hoped what he said wasn't true. Then when she learned of his arrest, she called the investigation in Boulder and told them what John had said to her. Now Rita Cosby has spoken with her, but I think she didn't want to appear on tv. Can't say I blame her.


1,937 posted on 08/25/2006 10:47:03 AM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: sandbar

to him = "two whom he apparently made incriminating statements"


1,938 posted on 08/25/2006 10:48:26 AM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: onyx; stlnative; MizSterious; null and void; gridlock; hershey; hoosiermama; PilloryHillary; ...

Pickin's are getting slim again. Not that there's anything wrong with that! Had to cheat a bit to add one extraneous thread from yesterday.



ADDENDUM #5
Thu., 8/24/06, 1:01 PM thru Fri., 8/25/06, 12:30 PM CDT



http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1689774/posts
Brother: Karr didn't kill JonBenet
Yahoo | 8/25/06

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1689428/posts
Transgender Inmate Seeks Sex Change
ABC News ^ | August 24, 2006 | DENISE LAVOIE

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1689409/posts
Costa Rica landlord: Karr was a pervert
AP on Yahoo ^ | 8/24/06 | Marianela Jiminez - ap


1,939 posted on 08/25/2006 10:55:37 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: hoosiermama

ping to #s 1933; 1935; 1937; 1938


1,940 posted on 08/25/2006 10:59:03 AM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: txrangerette

This Wendy Nichols, from an article last week?

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/115589281428240.xml&coll=2

"...Friends and classmates roundly described Karr as being extraordinarily bright, but some said he had a dark side as well.

Wendy Nichols, a Hamilton High classmate, said Karr seemed obsessed with children in the years after high school. She kept her own child away from him because he made her uncomfortable, she said.

"He's totally different from `Hickville, Alabama.' He's always been a dark person, a different bird," she said. "He's smart. He's bad smart."

Still, Nichols said many in the community doubt Karr is guilty, despite his confession, broadcast worldwide on CNN..."

Seems strange that she wouldn't have mentioned this last week. I smell a rat looking to extend her 15 minutes..like so many in this case it seems.


1,941 posted on 08/25/2006 11:04:05 AM PDT by thecanuck
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To: txrangerette

Breathless Rita is due up again soon on MSNBC.


1,942 posted on 08/25/2006 11:06:22 AM PDT by maggief
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To: txrangerette
I have a particularly close friend. I always say "he's like a brother". Since Karr is into word games, he may just be referrring to a friend.

Wonder if the friend is still alive or moved or died or disassociated himself from Karr when he heard about the California charges. That would LIKELY mean that the "friend" is a Californian.

1,943 posted on 08/25/2006 11:11:10 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: ableLight
Family Scandel? Why? If the guy wasn't working steady and had an opportunity to deliver a car in Colorado (from the "great" thoughts of Hoosiermama), put some under the table cash in his pocket and drive a two year old sportscar back to Alabama (or Georgia), it certainly wouldn't be a scandel. In fact, it might just be an "ordinary event" that nobody would really notice.

John Karr's life doesn't seem to have been under the watchful eye of anyone. It was toooo irregular. Lot's see his 1040's.

1,944 posted on 08/25/2006 11:22:02 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: sandbar; hoosiermama; Sacajaweau; maggief; thecanuck

Rita was on at the top of this hour, again.

The friend of Karr's from his school days told Rita that Karr spoke to her just a few weeks after JonBenet's murder and basically claimed..."I was there, I did it".

All this time the woman did not choose to believe what he said, but it did keep bothering her (do tell? LOL)

When Karr was arrested in Thailand, she got on the phone to the investigation in Boulder and told them what Karr had said to her.

Now she has told it to Rita. She wasn't shown saying it...apparently she did not want to go on tv. Who knows, maybe she's been asked not to??

I haven't had time to read the most recent posts to me, so apologies if I'm pinging people who heard Rita and already know about this.


1,945 posted on 08/25/2006 11:29:00 AM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: thecanuck; sandbar; hoosiermama; Sacajaweau; maggief

I'm sorry, I don't know if the woman Rita spoke with is named Wendy Nichols or not. The woman herself did not appear with Rita. And the woman has reported what she claims to know to the authorities in Boulder. If she's making it up, she'll most likely pay for it one way or another. It's a crime to knowingly lie to an official investigation.


1,946 posted on 08/25/2006 11:34:18 AM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: Sacajaweau

That's kinda what I was thinking. It seems most families don't think much of a family member being absent on important holidays IF they have a good excuse for it. He could have made up just about any story to explain his absence and no one would have likely remembered it.


1,947 posted on 08/25/2006 11:36:45 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: txrangerette

If it bothered her so much over the years why didn't she report it earlier.....sheeeeeeeesh!


1,948 posted on 08/25/2006 11:37:14 AM PDT by mystery-ak (My Son, My Soldier, My Hero..............)
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To: Rte66

the judge in Karr's case - is going to be the same judge that oversaw the grand jury convened in the 90s.


1,949 posted on 08/25/2006 11:38:12 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: mystery-ak

that is what I'm saying. But I'll tell you if someone I knows tell me they commited a popular crime I'm not sure I'd take them seriously. Maybe that is what happend.

I will say that I find it interesting that Karr has claimed he killed JBR many times over many years. If someone were making it up I doubt they would keep the lie going for year and years. I'm starting to believe Karr did this crime, but waiting for the proof before I pass judgement.


1,950 posted on 08/25/2006 11:40:21 AM PDT by Halls (Proud to be called a Daughter of Texas!)
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