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Study: Toilets Need Radical Redesign
Live Science ^ | 7/30/07 | Corry Binns

Posted on 07/30/2007 7:55:43 AM PDT by Millee

The Western World's dependence on flush toilets could be its environmental downfall.

Toilets that use less water, such as the "squat toilet" in which one squats over a hole in the ground, are prevalent in parts of Asia, Europe and Africa, but a new historical study suggests that after decades of flushing, it will take radical innovations for the mainstream West to adopt any new system.

"Most people can hardly imagine that other ways of handling human waste have ever existed," said study author Maj-Britt Quitzau, an environmental sociologist with the National Environmental Research Institute of Denmark. "But actually, systems did exist prior to the flushing toilet where human waste was collected within the cities and re-used in farming areas."

Since the 1900s, scientists have known that flushing away human waste comes with environmental consequences , such as using precious, potable water. Each year, a typical person will use almost 4,000 gallons of drinking water to flush away 75 pounds of feces and 130 gallons of urine, according to a 2001 study by the Swedish International Development Cooperation Agency.

(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: environment; naturalresources; plumbing; water; westerncivilization
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To: dfwgator

It’s kinda pointless to have those damned things when you have to flush them 5 times to work.


51 posted on 07/30/2007 11:39:17 AM PDT by RockinRight (Fred Thompson once set fire to a crowd of liberals simply by smoking a cigar and looking upon them)
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To: dfwgator

If you only used 1 square of TP, the low flow would be enough.


52 posted on 07/30/2007 11:40:16 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (WARNING: Dangerous to pregnant women and small children. May burst into flames at any time.)
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To: CSM

they charge for use and removal of the water.
talk to your city about getting a second meter on your home solely for irrigation.


53 posted on 07/30/2007 11:43:49 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (Stop repeat offenders. Don't re-elect them!)
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To: Millee
It isn't the toilets that we use that are wasteful. It is the fact that all water provided to your home has to meet Federal drinking water standards even though almost all of it is flushed, run down the drain, or used to water your lawn. Very little of it is actually consumed yet all of it must be tested, treated, and handled properly all the way to your water meter. A water plant will treat millions of gallons a day to make the water meet drinking water standards, yet very little of that is actually used for drinking or cooking.

There's got to be a better way.

By the way, I know all of this because I just got involved with running a water company and just recently took and passed the Certified Water Distribution Operator examination.

54 posted on 07/30/2007 11:46:43 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Dixie Yooper

Then economically, I am better off staying in my house and paying the rates as they continue to increase. However, if better solutions present themselves, I will keep my eye on them.

Ah, I’m not worried one bit about my grass. As long as it is dormant, then I don’t have to mow it....Not only am I a miser, but I am lazy too!


55 posted on 07/30/2007 12:16:03 PM PDT by CSM ("The rioting arsonists are the same folks who scream about global warming." LibFreeOrDie 5/7/07)
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To: absolootezer0

“talk to your city about getting a second meter on your home solely for irrigation.”

No way! I like it when the grass is dormant. It means less manual labor and more time to relax. ;-)


56 posted on 07/30/2007 12:17:58 PM PDT by CSM ("The rioting arsonists are the same folks who scream about global warming." LibFreeOrDie 5/7/07)
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To: Millee
Oh gracious ... you will never appreciate western civilization until you've had to use one of these!


57 posted on 07/30/2007 12:29:34 PM PDT by Daffynition (The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear.)
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To: CSM
Not only am I a miser, but I am lazy too!

Laziness is the true mother of invention!

58 posted on 07/30/2007 12:54:54 PM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Millee

i grew up on a farm without indoor plumbing until i was 10 years.

they can take their out house and shove it.


59 posted on 07/30/2007 12:57:18 PM PDT by ken21 ( b 4 fred.)
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To: Graycliff

I’ve read that the capacity of composting toilets is limited. I wonder how many you would need for year-round use by a family of six?

Mrs VS


60 posted on 07/30/2007 3:20:09 PM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: Millee

“squat toilet” in which one squats over a hole in the ground, are prevalent in parts of Asia, Europe and Africa,...Yeah! and that’s why diseases you never heard of are everywhere....The liberals want everyone to live in small apartments on top of each other downtown...The aroma would be third world for sure!


61 posted on 07/30/2007 8:58:44 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Millee
"While drinking-water shortages plague millions in such places as India and in some African nations, Westerners continue to oppose alternatives to the flushing toilet."

So if I don't flush my toilet, some thirsty Indian or African will get clean drinking water...how?

This reminds me of my Mom - when I was little, she always said, "There are people in India who are starving" every time I wouldn't finish my dinner. I couldn't figure out how my eating all my dinner would save a starving Indian.

62 posted on 07/30/2007 10:57:49 PM PDT by etcetera (A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. Sigmund Freud)
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To: etcetera

That is exactly what I was thinking.


63 posted on 07/30/2007 11:30:53 PM PDT by bizeemommie
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To: aShepard

And clean the damn turlet at the same time!


64 posted on 07/30/2007 11:41:33 PM PDT by jwh_Denver (Ok, it's time for the Republicans to start ripping themselves apart.)
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To: VeritatisSplendor
Theres usually 6-8 of us every time we go to Canada and the toilets last for a full week. I’m not sure how often they have to swap out.
65 posted on 07/31/2007 6:22:20 AM PDT by Graycliff (Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
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To: Clam Digger

I wonder how many f those friggin’ idiots have had to use an outhouse to take a crap in weather either below zero or over 90 degrees? How many of them have had to turn the crank or better yet clean out a composting toilet? How many of them have even dug a cat hole and used a leaf to wipe while hiking out in a wilderness area?

I love my flush toilet, and they will not take it away from me!!!!


66 posted on 07/31/2007 7:03:51 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer
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To: nuke rocketeer
I love my flush toilet, and they will not take it away from me!!!!

They can take my flush toilet when they pry it from my cold, dead buttcheeks.

67 posted on 07/31/2007 7:07:23 AM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: RockinRight; CholeraJoe

The low-flow toilets allow a big flush if you continue to hold the handle down during the flush; you increase the flush of water when you do that.


68 posted on 07/31/2007 7:11:16 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Countdown: a documentary on Keith Olberman's dwindling IQ)
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To: ken21

My grandpa refused to allow a flush toilet in his house until I was 12. And then only because my grandmother had gotten very sick and could no longer easily make the trip to the outhouse anymore. Us grandkids thought the outhouse was a real adventure as kids. As teeners, it was a PITA.


69 posted on 07/31/2007 7:20:45 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; KlueLass; LucyT; ..
The Western World's dependence on flush toilets could be its environmental downfall.
And forget about toilet paper.

And takin' baths.

And burning oil.

And expressing yourself on the Internet, letters to the editor, or anywhere else.

And eating meat.

And killing "other animals".

Welcome to the road to serfdom.
70 posted on 08/03/2007 5:41:47 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Millee
Agreed!!! HATE our “water saving” toilets!!

HATE the "water saving" shower heads, too.
71 posted on 08/03/2007 8:41:50 PM PDT by JACKRUSSELL
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