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Don’t Call it “Darwinism” [religiously defended as "science" by Godless Darwinists]
springerlink ^ | 16 January 2009 | Eugenie C. Scott and Glenn Branch

Posted on 01/28/2009 11:36:17 AM PST by Coyoteman

We will see and hear the term “Darwinism” a lot during 2009, a year during which scientists, teachers, and others who delight in the accomplishments of modern biology will commemorate the 200th anniversary of Darwin’s birth and the 150th anniversary of the publication of On the Origin of Species. But what does “Darwinism” mean? And how is it used? At best, the phrase is ambiguous and misleading about science. At worst, its use echoes a creationist strategy to demonize evolution.

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In summary, then, “Darwinism” is an ambiguous term that impairs communication even about Darwin’s own ideas. It fails to convey the full panoply of modern evolutionary biology accurately, and it fosters the inaccurate perception that the field stagnated for 150 years after Darwin’s day. Moreover, creationists use “Darwinism” to frame evolutionary biology as an ism or ideology, and the public understanding of evolution and science suffers as a result. True, in science, we do not shape our research because of what creationists claim about our subject matter. But when we are in the classroom or otherwise dealing with the public understanding of science, it is entirely appropriate to consider whether what we say may be misunderstood. We cannot expect to change preconceptions if we are not willing to avoid exacerbating them. A first step is eschewing the careless use of “Darwinism.”

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To: js1138
"To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries."

js: This is the only power granted to Congress for which the means to accomplish its stated purpose are specifically provided.

So what? Religion and science do not stand equal before the Constitution. Of the two, one, and only one, is enumerated.

Article 1 Section 8 deals specifically with taxes, duties, levies, etc. Allowing for patents is not the same as the establishment clause in the Bill of Rights.

801 posted on 01/30/2009 6:05:12 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Talk radio will only be the target when it is no longer conservative.

Exactly right. The statement in question was a hysterical swipe at this site.

If scientists would demand that science not be used as a weapon with which to destroy Christianity, they’d have more credibility.

It may be that it is the atheists and libertarians (is that redundant?) among them who are to blame.

Siding with the leftists is foolish. I’ve yet to see an anti-God form of government that has been favorable for science to flourish. I don’t think much research went on in the gulags.

Governments that abandon religion are doomed by their own self destructive tendencies.

802 posted on 01/30/2009 6:08:51 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: metmom
So what? Religion and science do not stand equal before the Constitution. Of the two, one, and only one, is enumerated.

Pardon me. I thought you were using the term "enumerated" the way people in this universe use it.

803 posted on 01/30/2009 6:12:29 AM PST by js1138
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode; RegulatorCountry; wagglebee; Gumlegs
So, you're quoting a "Creationist," in defense of "science," Gumlegs?

He must quote a Christian. Atheists have zero credibility. So quoting great evolutionary geniuses like Dawkins, Huxley etc., would be useless. And he knows it.

One gets the impression that evos think that by quoting Christians who they think support evolution, that means that the rest of us are obligated to support it as well.

*Oh gee. The Pope supports it. Now I have no choice.*

He's not my Pope and I can think for myself.

It's the same as non-believers quoting Scripture at Christians. They think that Christians don't see through the transparent attempt to control the Christians behavior.

Newsflash: Christians do not melt down over some non-believers throwing verses around. They do not think, "Oh No! He quoted Scripture at me. I have to do what he says!"

For some people the only time Scripture has any validity is when it's used as a weapon to bludgeon Christians with.

804 posted on 01/30/2009 6:12:31 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee
However, the more I thought about this, I was struck with another observation. WHY are the Darwinist so emphatic that EVERYONE agree with them? In other fields of science, someone who is not interested in the subject is not generally forced to learn it, but the Darwinists INSIST that everyone accept their claims.

That's a good question and I have often wondered about it as well. What's it to them if we do or don't believe what they say about dead monkeys in the ground and amoeba-to-human transformations? I mean, it's really up to them to argue convincingly for whatever it is that we are supposed to accept from them as true. Why to they rage when aren't successful at making a convert? They seem to have an attitude that we owe them unquestioning intellectual assent for anything they say. Even the slightest skepticism of their often specious and purile arguments invokes flaming wrath and brings to the surface some remarkable anti-God, anti-soul and anti-Christian sentiments. There's clearly something not normal about that.

When you really look at the way Darwinism is approached by its adherents, you will see a radicalism that is far more similar to Marxist or Keynesian economics than to Newtonian physics.

Speaking of John Maynard Keynes, he belonged to the Eugenics Society and also the Cambridge Eugenics Society. His nephew W.M. Keynes married Charles Darwin's grand-daughter. W.M Keynes was also a member of the Eugenics Society. John Maynard Keynes's mother belonged to a eugenical society. J.M. Keynes was gay too.

805 posted on 01/30/2009 6:14:48 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Darwinism!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode; wagglebee; trisham; CottShop; tpanther; Fichori
That's a good question and I have often wondered about it as well. What's it to them if we do or don't believe what they say about dead monkeys in the ground and amoeba-to-human transformations? I mean, it's really up to them to argue convincingly for whatever it is that we are supposed to accept from them as true. Why to they rage when aren't successful at making a convert? They seem to have an attitude that we owe them unquestioning intellectual assent for anything they say. Even the slightest skepticism of their often specious and purile arguments invokes flaming wrath and brings to the surface some remarkable anti-God, anti-soul and anti-Christian sentiments. There's clearly something not normal about that.

Which is why they constantly get accused of having an agenda. Because they're acting like they do.

I wish that those who are true scientists would speak out against the hijacking of science by the left like they do at the thought of it being influenced by conservative or Christian values.

Their silence on the issue of how science is being misused shows that they agree with it themselves.

Personally, I don't care whether someone agrees with special creation as stated in Scripture. I DO care when they go as far as demanding that what they believe is the only thing allowed to be taught in the public schools that my tax money is supporting.

806 posted on 01/30/2009 6:31:06 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: trisham; Dog Gone

>> The irony will not be recognized when the target is consvervative talk radio, I’m quite sure.

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Please alert us all when FReepers begin attacking talk radio. <<

I should confess to making several disparaging remarks about Air America...


807 posted on 01/30/2009 6:38:41 AM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: gondramB

Heh. :)


808 posted on 01/30/2009 6:42:51 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: metmom
For some people the only time Scripture has any validity is when it's used as a weapon to bludgeon Christians with.

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Pathetic, but true.

809 posted on 01/30/2009 6:45:35 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; Dog Gone

>>Perhaps not, but evolutionists at this site are not only an endangered species, but one actively hunted with the express intent of elimination of the species.


What? <<

Looking back, I suspect it was somebody who has been here a month calling people who have been here for years Satanists without getting a whole lot of disagreement that sent us down that path.


810 posted on 01/30/2009 6:47:35 AM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
It's self-contradictory.

What I'm saying is that dead twig or not, it's quite possible certain forms are being called transitional forms merely because they seem to fit a certain type, not because there's evidence that they evolved from the previous form and into the next form.

811 posted on 01/30/2009 6:51:02 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ("[Palin] has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987. Come on! Really!" --Polybius)
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To: metmom
Can you say *hypocrite*?

Yep. Some may disagree with me on this, but though I'm no fan of the evo lie, the problem with these bozos isn't evolution, it's personal arrogance. "How dare you criticize things thought by the mighty [fill n name of evocreep here]"

812 posted on 01/30/2009 6:54:12 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ("[Palin] has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987. Come on! Really!" --Polybius)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode; metmom; trisham; CottShop; tpanther; Fichori
That's a good question and I have often wondered about it as well. What's it to them if we do or don't believe what they say about dead monkeys in the ground and amoeba-to-human transformations? I mean, it's really up to them to argue convincingly for whatever it is that we are supposed to accept from them as true. Why to they rage when aren't successful at making a convert? They seem to have an attitude that we owe them unquestioning intellectual assent for anything they say. Even the slightest skepticism of their often specious and purile arguments invokes flaming wrath and brings to the surface some remarkable anti-God, anti-soul and anti-Christian sentiments. There's clearly something not normal about that.

Perfectly stated!

If, for instance, I knew an atheist who didn't believe in gravity, I might try to demonstrate for them why gravity is real, but I wouldn't claim that it was due to atheism.

As I posted last night, I am not aware of a SINGLE scientific or technological breakthrough in the last 150 that relied upon evolutionary theory. We have seen the invention of the airplane, the automobile, men on the Moon, radio, television, computers, the internet nuclear power and incredible medical advance and NONE of them relied upon Darwinian theory.

However, I am acutely aware of the death and destruction brought about by adherents to Darwinian eugenics, this destruction is ongoing and the death toll is at least ONE MILLION PEOPLE PER WEEK.

813 posted on 01/30/2009 6:58:32 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Mr. Silverback
What I'm saying is that dead twig or not, it's quite possible certain forms are being called transitional forms merely because they seem to fit a certain type, not because there's evidence that they evolved from the previous form and into the next form.

Most science writing is sloppy. If you read journals or discuss the issue with biologists, you find that no one claims specific fossils represent direct ancestors or descendants of any specific creature. That would be like finding a human bone in a random grave and declaring it to be your ancestor.

The problem with science writing is the same problem faced with every kind of writing. If you try to anticipate every possible misinterpretation, or if you try to be one hundred percent precise, you wind up being dry and tedious.

What writers on evolution face is an entire industry devoted to quote mining and picking apart every loose construction.

814 posted on 01/30/2009 6:58:58 AM PST by js1138
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To: grey_whiskers

Dreadfully off topic but I recently discovered that anybody with an iPhone or iPod touch can download pretty much everything by H.G. Wells free with an application called Stanza - its very worthy.


815 posted on 01/30/2009 6:59:12 AM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Thank you and thank you for your subsequent additions on meanings of “theory”


816 posted on 01/30/2009 7:01:56 AM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: gondramB; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; Dog Gone
Looking back, I suspect it was somebody who has been here a a little over a year calling people who have been here for years Satanists cretards and IDiots without getting a whole lot of disagreement that sent us down that path.

hmmmm......

817 posted on 01/30/2009 7:03:12 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Anatheme

LOL...I see, all us evil, extreme pro-life far right wingers, from the New York Times no less!

I guess if there’s anything oozing with irony it’s that’s this is all on FR!

pip pip and a hip hip hooray! ;)


818 posted on 01/30/2009 7:13:25 AM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: metmom
Their silence on the issue of how science is being misused shows that they agree with it themselves.

There is a statement of absolute polarization. Anyone who isn't observed to actively support your cause must be assumed to actively oppose it needs to be confronted contentiously.

819 posted on 01/30/2009 7:14:06 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: metmom
Through clenched teeth, yes.
820 posted on 01/30/2009 7:17:10 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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