Skip to comments.Are we going to let Obama get rid of Herman Cain the same way he got rid of Jack Ryan?
Posted on 11/30/2011 7:48:10 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
The smear campaign against Herman Cain is the exact same kind of smear campaign the media ran against Jack Ryan. Had Jack Ryan not been taken out, we would never have had a Senator Obama, and without a Senator Obama we would never have had a President Obama.
Ryan married actress Jeri Ryan in 1991; together they have a son, Alex Ryan. They divorced in 1999 in California, and the records of the divorce were sealed at their mutual request. Five years later, when Ryan's Senate campaign began, the Chicago Tribune newspaper and WLS-TV, the local ABC affiliate, sought to have the records released. On March 3, 2004, several of Ryan's GOP primary opponents urged release of the records. Both Ryan and his wife agreed to make their divorce records public, but not make the custody records public, claiming that the custody records could be harmful to their son if released. On March 16, 2004, Ryan won the GOP primary with 36 percent to 23 percent against Jim Oberweis who came in second. Obama won the Democratic primary, with 53 percent to 23 percent against Dan Hynes, who came in second.
On March 29, 2004, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Robert Schnider ruled that several of the Ryans' divorce records should be opened to the public, and ruled that a court-appointed referee would later decide which custody files should remain sealed to protect the interests of Ryan's young child. The following week, on April 2, 2004, Barack Obama formally established his position about the Ryans' soon-to-be-released divorce records, and called on Democrats not to inject them into the campaign. The Ryan campaign characterized Obama's stance as hypocritical, because Obama's alleged backers had been emailing reports about the divorce records prior to Judge Schnider's decision.
In May 2004, two polls were conducted statewide where the Chicago Tribune poll found Ryan trailing Obama 52% to 30%  while the Sun Times reported that he was trailing Obama 48 percent to 40 percent in the U.S. Senate race, according to a new Daily Southtown poll of 500 likely Illinois voters   On June 22, 2004, after receiving a report from the referee, Judge Schnider released the files that were deemed consistent with the interests of Ryan's young child. In those files, Jeri Ryan alleged that Jack Ryan had asked her to perform sexual acts with him in public in sex clubs in New York, New Orleans, and Paris. Jeri Ryan described one as "a bizarre club with cages, whips and other apparatus hanging from the ceiling."
The decision to release these files generated much controversy because it went against both parents' direct request, and because it reversed the earlier decision to seal the papers in the best interest of the child. Jim Oberweis, Ryan's defeated GOP opponent, commented that "these are allegations made in a divorce hearing, and we all know people tend to say things that aren't necessarily true in divorce proceedings when there is money involved and custody of children involved."
Prior to release of the documents, Ryan claimed he had told leading Republicans that the divorce file could cause problems for his campaign. After the documents were released, GOP Chair Judy Baar Topinka said of Ryan's comment "It may have been somewhat misleading." Topinka said after the June 25 withdrawal that Ryan's "decision was a personal one" and that the state GOP had not pressured Ryan to drop out. Ryan's campaign ended less than a week after the custody records were opened, and Ryan officially filed the documentation to withdraw on July 29, 2004. The same party leaders who called for Ryan's resignation chose Alan Keyes as Ryan's replacement in the race; Keyes lost to Obama, 27% to 70%.
So you want another professional politician, eh?
Seems pretty SMRT.
No Newt he, an Axalotel!
“The Axolotl is a “perennibranchiate” salamander...”
Leaving, of course, a trail of slime as he clambers out of his watery lair....
Bolivian salamanders aside, I did not find Herman’s Lawyer’s comments very reassuring.
I think Herman Cain is doing it very well on his own. 999I agree.
Long before all this Bimbo BS was churned out by the DNC garbage machine, I was posting criticisms of 999 here in FR.
I didn't like it when I first heard about it and the more I read and think about it the less I like it.
It's a bad idea from an inexperienced candidate who Obama will easily wipe the floor with in the general election.
Didn’t he do exactly that?
No stalk. I invited you to a thread where you could see how real conservatives react to liberal/Axelrod smears. You didn’t have to come here; you could have ignored the invitation, and that would have been the end of it.
I’m frankly sick of your vile, gloating attitude about the Cain smears. I don’t understand why you think FR is the right venue for that disgusting attitude. There are plenty of [liberal] sites that would welcome it. Why aren’t you posting on one of them?
Holding our flawed politicians to higher standards than the enemys politicians guarantees they win.
Exactly. Another disappointment from the conservative side.
We still have Bachmann and Perry. They can pull it out, if they work hard, educate themselves and fight back.
If Cain can be taken out with his sex scandal, so can Newt. As soon as the public is reminded of Newt’s 3 marriages and where he met the “future first ‘lady’”...it will be over for him as well. Newt has too many waiting scandals. Newt is the one Obama wants to run against.
So, how did your contempt save us from Ubama, or Barney Frank, or The Swimmer?
Which of the campaigns are you in the employ of, either as a volunteer or as a paid staffer?
Considering your most busy, almost exlusively anti-Cain posting history (upwards of 80% of your posts on Cain issue after Cain issue), during your five short months on FR during this election cycle?
Troll. Get out of my sight.
Oh yeah, we should all be falling in line behind those “experienced” career politicians who have done SO much to screw us and the Constitution. Our country has absolutely flourished under their benevolent guidance. </s>
Enough of the hand-picked candidates who are bought and paid for; enough of buying the nominations and enough of assuming that anyone who is not a career politician is incapable of fixing this mess. Nobody is going to be the perfect all-knowing candidate. It is who you surround yourself with. Keep in mind that the president is not supposed to be the hands-on mr fixit; he is the Chief Executive and Mr. Cain has held that position successfully in several large companies. He is emminently qualified. Even my 10 year old grandson could do a better job than any of these career jackasses.
There is yet to be any actual evidence against Cain, if they show some, then we can stop talking about innuendo and smears as fact, like they want us to.
I love Herman Cain and wish he would do well in the primaries. But if he loses the nomination, I would hope it would be because of his stand on policies, or his lack of knowledge on certain issues. But to lose the nomination because of dirty tricks by Obama or whoever just angers me no end. I hate to see someone get away with this.
So, you’re contempt only saves us from Republican politicians, not Democrat politicians, is that what you’re saying?
Nothing more. Nothing less. It is clear for anyone to see (you do know about our "posting history" function here on FR, I assume?)
On Free Republic, we refer to such people as TROLLS. In Japanese, well, we just endearingly say 糞野郎. Am I clear?
I think Mark Steyn is a sex addict. He never misses an opportunity to talk about sexual topics, and he does it in a sort of dirty way. I don’t think I would want to be left alone in a room with him.
So where are all your posts promoting a good conservative candidate? All I’ve see are posts mocking and demeaning Cain. They are sickening. Where’s the counter balance? Show me an *equal number*[at least, if not far more] of posts where you rallied support for the good conservative GOP candidate of your choice.
I won’t hold my breath.
One can do anything one wants if one has one's head up one's wazoo aperture.
So, you think clinton was an excellent President? I tell you what, he was an excellent politician! He wasn’t a Pope and he gave us a new rally cry, “Character doesn’t matter”! We had a great economy when he was in office and he left us a surplus.
Listen, I don’t care what letter is behind the name, I do not want a cheating, lying, selfserving, person as President. Character DOES matter, and this site has always been a leader in saying so! We fight for values, morality and Christianity—the building blocks of a good society. I expect my Christian brothers to walk the walk, not just talk it up and use their faith to gain votes.
And I do not accept the premise that there is no politician who isn’t that way. There are plenty. We just have to use our brains, trust our eyes and ears, and pay attention. Not just glom on to a candidate and stick to them no matter what they do! Have some standards
I am sick and tired of voting for the ‘lesser of two evils’.
Well, Newt’s hands aren’t clean in this, but the difference, I guess, is that Newt is so knowledgeable on the issues, whether you agree with his stand or not. But it would be hypocritical to give Newt a pass on his past, but say it is a disqualifier for Herman Cain. Like I’ve said before, let Herman Cain be disqualified because of his policy stands or lack of knowledge on the issues, but not because of dirty tricks by an opponent.
I don’t hide the fact that I am ardently anti-Cain. That doesn’t make me anti-Conservative, unless you are of the (mistaken) belief that Cain is the embodiment of conservatism, the next coming of Ronald Reagan, and so on. I spent much time criticizing the 9-9-9 plan. I may have been one of the first here to note that the plan increased payroll taxes on businesses since payroll was no longer a tax deduction outside of those empowerment zones, which would impact any business operating at a loss and any business with little or no profit at the end of the year. So would that count as a vile smear or not, the standard seems to change.
Pure and simple, Fantasywriter.
As the great Yoda would say, "this type, I know well. Stains very nasty to get out, they are. Bleach, it takes much of."
I don't vote for Democrats. You know that.
You're floundering and sputtering now. It's humorous to watch. You are such a silly duck.
What you said, every word of it. I personally know a small horde of FR Cain critics. They can get down and dirty in a hurry, and no, I don’t like it. However, there is one thing they’ve got in common: they are all ardent supporters of either Newt or Perry.
Now when you get a poster whose sole mission seems to be advancing the liberal smear, then there is only one conclusion, and you drew it.
If this slime-meister can point me to scores of posts where he enthusiastically advocated for his conservative candidate of choice, then I will stand corrected.
Otherwise, Troll It Is.
I would be happy to have the option to vote for the lesser of two evils again. The past several election cycles we've not had even that much choice. It's been far more like voting for the evil of two lessers....
Yay! And the willingness to do it.
Where did you get your information?
Not just glom on to a candidate and stick to them no matter what they do! Have some standards
So what you think you heard is true.
I am sick and tired of voting for the lesser of two evils.
Who are you voting for then?
That I would like to see. I can picture a certain lady walking onto the stage and giving another barnstormer speech just like last time. With the same reaction from the crowd, And the same reaction from the electorate. (positive!)
Please - Herman Cain is not only unprepared and not capable of beating Obama - he is a gaffe machine that will lead to electoral disaster.
He is imploding all on his own.
Funny, that. You could be talking about Ubama, except that state-controlled media will cover for him.
So it's Myth all the way to Hell, eh?
No, I haven’t.
I hate Romney. HOWEVER - we need someone who can answer basic questions without cliche and empty nonsense. I like Bachmann, Huntsman, Paul at this point.
I will vote A B O no matter what in the general election, but Cain is becoming a laughing stock.
Maybe you should turn off your t.v. pacifier and actually reseach something, before opening your pie-hole.
You are so holy.
You must be so proud.
So how long will it take you to abandon them when the smears begin?
You wouldn't want to be associated with anyone that state-controlled media smeared, would you?
That horse has already left the barn.
Smears? Cain brought this all on himself. If he is so naive to not think all of this was going to come out when he announced, he is not ready for POTUS.
His answers on foreign policy are wincing. Simply repeating 9-9-9 with a laugh to any serious question as if that is cute may work for a goof - but if you think that will convince people to vote for him over obama - good luck with that.
Except for Myth, of course.
Those smears won't start until he gets the nomination.
And you better believe they have plenty of ammunition. It's why they want him as the nominee.
All of what, exactly?
I defy you to tell me what it is he allegedly did.
The problem is that too many have no standards and are willing to just elect anyone with the title: “Republican”.
I don’t see a reason to BE in a different party than the democrats if we are going to elect people who are exactly the same as democrats!
Why not just elect John Edwards, he looks better than Cain.
60 texts in the middle of the night with a trashy woman? Did she invent those texts? Financial assistance? Did Cain tell his wife he was giving her $$$ and texting her in the middle of the night? Taking her to a tyson / holyfield fight?
You want to defend that? Go ahead and welcome barry for 4 more years.
Holding politicians to no standard assures that we all lose.
So sad that you don’t really have a valid argument or debate position that you must resort to personal smears against people who disagree with you...gosh, you really must be a democrat!
Seems the accusers are pretty adept at hiding the proof too. This has been going on for what now, four weeks? And still not a single shred of evidence. Nothing.
You take the word of a bankrupt, convicted serial libeler/slanderer over the word of somebody who is none of those things?
You're even dumber than I thought.
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