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Utica (NY) Police Officers Caught on Tape (Planting drugs?)
Youtube ^ | Jan 2, 2012 | Youtube

Posted on 01/03/2012 10:04:29 AM PST by thefactor

I don't think there are any real articles written about this yet. Seems to have occurred about 11 months ago and is just coming to light. The action occurs at exactly the 1 minute mark.

As many of you know, I'm a cop. I complain about the anti-cop posts and posters, but I also have the responsibility to bring things like this to light. If this went down, this guy needs to be fired and sent to prison. I have also heard that one of the cops is the son-in-law of the new Mayor.


TOPICS: Agriculture; Conspiracy; Society
KEYWORDS: corruption; deadleoswalking; donutwatch; drugs; lping; newyork; police; rapeofliberty; wod; wodlist; wosd
I did a search and I think this video just came out recently so I think I'm first. I can't hotlink the video. If someone can, please do. That's one thing I've never learned.
1 posted on 01/03/2012 10:04:32 AM PST by thefactor
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To: thefactor
I believe that if the investigation proves the guilt of the officer involved, he DEFINITELY should be sent to prison for a long time.

That said, I also would bet that some ambulance-chasing parasite (Lawyer), will NOT sue the cop for the damage to the target accused drug buyer, but rather will cost Taxpayers a ton of money when the City is sued, and the payout comes from the Taxpayer.

In ANY case of LEO malfeasance/criminal activity, I believe ONLY the inividual should be allowed to be held accountable (monetarily), and the Litigation Lotto should NOT be on the backs of Taxpayers.

2 posted on 01/03/2012 10:09:35 AM PST by traditional1 (Free speech for me.....not for thee)
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To: thefactor

http://youtu.be/i7oenshcwPk


3 posted on 01/03/2012 10:09:38 AM PST by 109ACS (If this be Treason, then make the most of it. Patrick Henry, May 1765)
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To: traditional1

“and the Litigation Lotto should NOT be on the backs of Taxpayers. “

I’d agree unless they had help committing the crime or in covering it up.


4 posted on 01/03/2012 10:12:11 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: org.whodat; driftdiver; US Navy Vet; B4Ranch

This should be right up your alley. I defend cops all the time, but I try to be fair.


5 posted on 01/03/2012 10:13:26 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: thefactor

These guys are real criminal geniuses. They cannot even plant evidence without being caught by their own dashcam...


6 posted on 01/03/2012 10:24:45 AM PST by LaRueLaDue
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To: dfwgator; bamahead

ping


7 posted on 01/03/2012 10:32:52 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: thefactor

I saw the video and the officer does appear to pull a baggy out of his pocket and place it in the vehicle. If this is the case, ALL of the previous arrests made by this officer have to be scrutinized. All of his previous sworn testimony has to be scrutinized. Very frightening stuff, the factor and I applaud you for bringing it to the attention of FReepers.


8 posted on 01/03/2012 10:49:30 AM PST by momtothree
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To: thefactor; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; albertp; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; amchugh; ...
Highly suspiscious activity occurs at the 1:00 mark in the video.

Thank you to 'thefactor' (an HONEST cop) for the ping!



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9 posted on 01/03/2012 10:49:46 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: thefactor

Thank you for the ping!


10 posted on 01/03/2012 10:54:14 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: thefactor

thanks for posting, hopefully he gets what he deserves


11 posted on 01/03/2012 11:01:37 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: momtothree

Maybe he was under the influence himself, because that was stupid beyond words to do it right in front of the camera.

No city-supplied lawyer.
Trial.
Prison.
Forfeiture of pension.


12 posted on 01/03/2012 11:01:47 AM PST by heartwood
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To: thefactor

Police Officers who do the right thing don’t need to be defended. Their actions speak for them. Its POS’s like these two that give the honest and hard working ones, of which there are few these days, a bad name. All they did was stoke the anti-cop fervor some more.


13 posted on 01/03/2012 11:17:11 AM PST by qaz123
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14 posted on 01/03/2012 11:55:50 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: driftdiver
and the Litigation Lotto should NOT be on the backs of Taxpayers.

I’d agree unless they had help committing the crime or in covering it up.

The taxpayers didn't help commit the crime or cover it up. The officer and any accessories should be individually responsible for any civil judgment.

15 posted on 01/03/2012 12:14:37 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies; driftdiver
The taxpayers didn't help commit the crime or cover it up. The officer and any accessories should be individually responsible for any civil judgment.

It's attitudes like this that allow goons with badges to get away with this kind of crap.

The elected city officials (read: mayor, city council) hold the cops' leashes.

The taxpayers elect the officials holding the cops' leashes.

If the taxpayers re-elect the officials without holding them personally responsible for cleaning up the dirty police, then the taxpayers should not complain about having to foot the bill when dirty goons with badges commit crimes.

Too many good taxpayers go back to sleep after casting their votes when they should be continually watching the elected officials to make sure the officials they elected are doing the taxpayers' bidding the way the taxpayers want it done.

It's really as simple as that.

16 posted on 01/03/2012 12:26:14 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: thefactor

May I suggest that you bring this to the attention of local media in Utica?


17 posted on 01/03/2012 12:36:13 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker; JustSayNoToNannies; driftdiver

IANAL, but I believe that the legal principle involved is *respondeat superior*:

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Respondeat+superior

tl;dr: The taxpayers are on the hook.


18 posted on 01/03/2012 12:39:22 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

There has to be a component of individual responsibility. I agree the City Leaders are ultimately responsible but there is already a law against planting evidence. If the cop doesn’t pay a criminal and civil penalty there is nothing to stop them.


19 posted on 01/03/2012 12:51:21 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

The taxpayers hired the cop, trained the cop, and allowed him to carry the authority. The city is certainly part of the equation.


20 posted on 01/03/2012 12:52:38 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
There has to be a component of individual responsibility. I agree the City Leaders are ultimately responsible but there is already a law against planting evidence. If the cop doesn’t pay a criminal and civil penalty there is nothing to stop them.

I agree.

It's the elected District Attorney who decides whether or not to file charges and prosecute the case.

If the electors don't hold him responsible, then no one will.

21 posted on 01/03/2012 1:14:19 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: driftdiver
There has to be a component of individual responsibility. I agree the City Leaders are ultimately responsible but there is already a law against planting evidence. If the cop doesn’t pay a criminal and civil penalty there is nothing to stop them.

I might also add that his 'brother' goons, er, officers also probably knew about his illegal actions and did nothing.

22 posted on 01/03/2012 1:18:48 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Oh it has been. You should see the UPD’s facebook page! Ha. People are going off.


23 posted on 01/03/2012 2:11:35 PM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: thefactor
Smiley - Clapping
24 posted on 01/03/2012 2:23:16 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: thefactor
LEO’s who betray the public trust like this should pay additional penalties.

Unfortunately they almost always tend to pay a much lesser penalty than any non LEO would caught in similar circumstances.

There is a point of no return - past which an organization built to enforce the law becomes nothing more than an ongoing criminal conspiracy. And those boys in blue look out for their own. By by “their own” they often mean the most reprehensible sort of scum.

25 posted on 01/03/2012 2:26:01 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: thefactor

http://www.wktv.com/news/local/Video-of-Utica-Police-traffic-stop-goes-viral-alleging-drug-planting-UPD-says-watch-the-full-video-136604293.html

UPD says the entire video tells a different story.


26 posted on 01/03/2012 2:50:32 PM PST by Mr.Unique (Very generic, non-offensive, tagline.)
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To: Mr.Unique

Then I hope that is the case. Thanks for that. None of my googling returned that result. Then it just may simply be a case of sloppy evidence handling.


27 posted on 01/03/2012 3:29:17 PM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: thefactor

http://www.wktv.com/news/local/FULL-DASHCAM-VIDEO-OF-21111-Utica-traffic-stop-136602198.html

Snippets on youtube NEVER tell the whole story.


28 posted on 01/03/2012 9:02:41 PM PST by willamedwardwallace
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To: thefactor

http://www.uticaod.com/latestnews/x1819707736/As-video-alleges-Utica-police-planted-evidence-chief-responds


29 posted on 01/03/2012 9:02:54 PM PST by willamedwardwallace
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To: LaRueLaDue; driftdiver; momtothree; heartwood; qaz123; Ol' Dan Tucker; JustSayNoToNannies; ...

So, now that the whole video is out, have you learned anything about making judgments from edited youtube snippets?

Remember, youtube agitators (many affiliated with libertine organizations like occupy wallstreet and copblock) have an agenda, and they will deliberately edit to push an agenda.

Contrary to what people think, videos do lie, and the camera does not always tell the whole story.


30 posted on 01/03/2012 9:04:19 PM PST by willamedwardwallace
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To: willamedwardwallace
So, now that the whole video is out, have you learned anything about making judgments from edited youtube snippets?

Sorry, but the full video is not as clear-cut as you and your Chief would like us to believe.

First, the search was conducted on the extreme left side of the screen. Second, the suspect's jacket blocked most of the view of the search. Third, the cop's left hand was not visible when he placed it inside the pocket, but was when he pulled it out.

I say the cop palmed the evidence going in and exposed it coming out.

Remember, youtube agitators (many affiliated with libertine organizations like occupy wallstreet and copblock) have an agenda, and they will deliberately edit to push an agenda.

And, of course, police officers and their unions don't have an agenda.

Contrary to what people think, videos do lie, and the camera does not always tell the whole story.

Which is why the cops have dashboard cameras in their cars, but arrest people who videotape the cops and charge them with wiretapping?

When Officer Friendly pulls someone over he approaches the car as if every occupant is a hardened cop-killer.

Why should we trust them any more than they trust us?

31 posted on 01/03/2012 11:18:13 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: willamedwardwallace

Video’s don’t lie, they simply show what happened and its up to people to interpret.

People lie, and that includes cops and people who aren’t cops.


32 posted on 01/04/2012 4:08:09 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Sorry, but the full video is not as clear-cut as you and your Chief would like us to believe.

My chief? (Oh, I get it... ITS A CONSPIRACY!) Actually, the video is pretty clear cut. However, you were called out, and you want to double down on your agenda. I understand. However, be aware that its obvious what you are doing.

First, the search was conducted on the extreme left side of the screen. Second, the suspect's jacket blocked most of the view of the search. Third, the cop's left hand was not visible when he placed it inside the pocket, but was when he pulled it out. I say the cop palmed the evidence going in and exposed it coming out.

IOW: You got caught making a rush to judgment, you are mad that you got called on it, and now you rush to the last refuge of the internet... "ITS A CONSPIRACY!"

And, of course, police officers and their unions don't have an agenda.

Collective bargaining is illegal for public employees in many states. You know that right? In any case, your argument is pretty sad. Its one thing to point out an agenda when an EDITED snippet of a video is released by the NAACP. The police department released the entire unedited video. If the NAACP didn't have an agenda, and weren't agitating, why didn't they release the whole thing?

Which is why the cops have dashboard cameras in their cars, but arrest people who videotape the cops and charge them with wiretapping?

Or perhaps the particular state law allows for recording by police, but not the other way around? Then its actually a problem with the law, and not the police.

When Officer Friendly pulls someone over he approaches the car as if every occupant is a hardened cop-killer.

So this is really what your veiled anger is all about? I have news for you, an officer has no idea who it is they are dealing with when they approach a car. So yes, you do approach such an unknown risk with a heightened state of awareness. Funny... people who exercise their second amendment rights are told to do the exact same thing. Same for the military.

What this really boils down to is the entitlement culture and the ITS ALL ABOUT ME mentality that is stroked by the internet and the anti-authority libertines and liberals.

I guess Romans 13 can just be cut out of scripture, right?

Why should we trust them any more than they trust us?

If you can't figure out the logical fallacy in this, then you are beyond help.

33 posted on 01/04/2012 6:57:42 AM PST by willamedwardwallace
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To: willamedwardwallace
I have news for you, an officer has no idea who it is they are dealing with when they approach a car. So yes, you do approach such an unknown risk with a heightened state of awareness. Funny... people who exercise their second amendment rights are told to do the exact same thing. Same for the military.

As I suspected. You are a cop. I know you'll deny it, but your own words betray you. This explains your righteous indignation over your brother officer being accused of planting evidence.

There are two types of cops in this world --those who've been caught in their lies and those who have yet to be caught lying.

34 posted on 01/04/2012 7:45:55 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: willamedwardwallace
I guess Romans 13 can just be cut out of scripture, right?

Romans 13 assumes that the governing authorities are honest. When you find an honest governing authority, please be sure to let us know.

35 posted on 01/04/2012 7:50:44 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: willamedwardwallace

Nothing can be cut. Read the whole Bible and don’t focus on one verse.


36 posted on 01/04/2012 7:54:06 AM PST by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
As I suspected. You are a cop. I know you'll deny it, but your own words betray you. This explains your righteous indignation over your brother officer being accused of planting evidence. There are two types of cops in this world --those who've been caught in their lies and those who have yet to be caught lying.

LOL! More libertine foaming at the mouth. And you continue to make assumptions. A textbook example of an internet warrior.

You are desperately trying to deflect from the fact that you got caught in a rush to judgment (lie). It isn't working.

37 posted on 01/04/2012 8:16:39 AM PST by willamedwardwallace
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To: willamedwardwallace
You are desperately trying to deflect from the fact that you got caught in a rush to judgment (lie). It isn't working.

I'm not the one defending the cop who got caught on video planting evidence.

38 posted on 01/04/2012 8:25:24 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Unfortunately, I can’t see how Romans 13 makes that assumption. The Roman goverment in Judea/Palestine was notoriously corrupt, and extremely hostile to first Jews, then in turn to Christians. Revolts and rebellions were commonplace throughout the region, so Paul’s comments here are difficult to understand except as divinely inspired Scripture. I know some will say that he was a Roman citizen, so he was a Rome-bot, in modern parlance; or alternately that he was so afraid of death, that he could do nothing other than support Rome in writing... but that ignores the divinely inspired nature of Scripture, IMHO. BTW, I would love to make the assumption you state, I just don’t see how it is warranted.


39 posted on 01/04/2012 9:25:03 AM PST by LambSlave
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To: willamedwardwallace
"Minutes before Paladino enters the rear passenger side of the vehicle, the footage shows him removing similar looking baggies from the pockets of handcuffed suspect Grady Jones, 51. [...] The shorter controversial segment of the footage, Williams said, actually shows Paladino later removing those same baggies of marijuana from his pocket so that he could separate them in the backseat of Jones’ vehicle."

Why would he need to separate them? And why would the back seat of the suspects' vehicle be the place to do that? This still smells very fishy.

40 posted on 01/04/2012 10:25:52 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: LambSlave
Unfortunately, I can’t see how Romans 13 makes that assumption. The Roman goverment in Judea/Palestine was notoriously corrupt, and extremely hostile to first Jews, then in turn to Christians. Revolts and rebellions were commonplace throughout the region, so Paul’s comments here are difficult to understand except as divinely inspired Scripture. I know some will say that he was a Roman citizen, so he was a Rome-bot, in modern parlance; or alternately that he was so afraid of death, that he could do nothing other than support Rome in writing... but that ignores the divinely inspired nature of Scripture, IMHO. BTW, I would love to make the assumption you state, I just don’t see how it is warranted.

Thanks for the information.

This raises an interesting point about the Founding Fathers and the American Revolution, doesn't it?

At what point does one no longer submit to the governing authority?

41 posted on 01/04/2012 12:31:14 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

And you’re a cop-hater. What a douche.


42 posted on 02/01/2012 2:48:49 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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