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Rifle Recommendations [Vanity]
13 August 2012 | Voices In My Head

Posted on 08/13/2012 7:03:40 AM PDT by bjorn14

I am looking for recommendations for three types of rifles and have a budget of about a $1,000.

1. Semi-auto .22 preferably tube feed

2. Semi-auto big game rifle (deer/elk/moose) with scope

3. Semi-auto or pump 12 gauge rifled for slug and shot.

Thanks in advance.


TOPICS: Hobbies
KEYWORDS: banglist; funthread

1 posted on 08/13/2012 7:03:47 AM PDT by bjorn14
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To: bjorn14

For the 22, a Marlin 60 with a good scope...can’t beat it.


2 posted on 08/13/2012 7:06:23 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: bjorn14

What is newsworthy about this?


3 posted on 08/13/2012 7:07:05 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: bjorn14

You need to be more realistic about your budget and remember that you get what you pay for.


4 posted on 08/13/2012 7:08:05 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: bjorn14

“.22 tube feed”? Why?

You should get a 10/22, the best that ever was.


5 posted on 08/13/2012 7:09:17 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (EAT MOR CHIKIN)
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To: New Jersey Realist

Well, in light of recent over-hyped killings using those dreaded assault rifle/pistol weapons, one could call it “activism.”


6 posted on 08/13/2012 7:09:36 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: bjorn14

You need to increase your budget. Alot.


7 posted on 08/13/2012 7:10:06 AM PDT by cork
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To: bjorn14

Marlin 60 or Win 190. Booth are great tube fed .22LR guns. $200.

Used Remington 7400 in 30.06. Outstanding big game gun. Plenty accurate enough for man-deer sized animal out to 400y. $400 used.

Mossberg 500 or a Remington 870. Both are great shotguns, both come as hunters or protection gun, just decide wear you want the safety and pick that one. (Mossberg is on top of the grip, great for lefties) $250-$300 used


8 posted on 08/13/2012 7:13:03 AM PDT by JimBianchi11 (The 2A is the cornerstone of our free society. Those that don't support it, oppose it.)
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To: bjorn14

FReepers are gonna need to know if that budget is combined, or for each.

I wouldn’t know personally ‘cuz I live in The People’s Democratic Republic of Bloomberg.


9 posted on 08/13/2012 7:13:57 AM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: cork

You can get a Marlin 60 for about $150. A Mossberg Persuader will run you somewhere near or less than the $350 mark at most. That leaves $500 for a good rifle. I’ve seen Remington 700/.308 tacticals selling for $594. $1000 isn’t too far off the mark.


10 posted on 08/13/2012 7:15:17 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: JimBianchi11; bjorn14
Good choices and in yr budget.

This is why the "banglist" is yer buddy...;)
11 posted on 08/13/2012 7:16:21 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: bjorn14
Unless you're absolutely set on a tube mag for the .22, you'd be better off with a Ruger 10/22, IMHO. There are just too after market accessories to be had, and you can customize it in a virtually infinite number of ways to suit you.

Many would consider a .30-06 on the low end for elk/moose sized game (although they have been and continue to be taken with smaller calibers). If you want something capable of handling something larger than .30-06, I have two recommendations:

Not to be confused with the M1918 military rifle, the Browning BAR comes in a number of configurations: http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/finder.asp?f1=002B&bg=x

It can be had in chamberings for such rounds as .300 Win Mag, .300 WSM, .325 WSM and .338 Win Mag.

The Benelli R1 is also a solid autoloader that can be had in .30-06, .300 Win Mag and .338 Win Mag.

12 posted on 08/13/2012 7:17:04 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: bjorn14

Forget the tube feed. Get a Ruger 10-22. It’s one of America’s great rifles. Period.

It’ll blow your budget to hell, but if you want a semi-auto game rifle, the Browning BAR.

Shotgun: Mossberg 500.


13 posted on 08/13/2012 7:17:15 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: JimBianchi11
Mossberg 500 or a Remington 870. Both are great shotguns, both come as hunters or protection gun, just decide wear you want the safety and pick that one. (Mossberg is on top of the grip, great for lefties) $250-$300 used

I'd consider the Remington® 887™ alongside the Remington 870. Otherwise, I would add nothing to your picks.

14 posted on 08/13/2012 7:18:59 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: bjorn14

Many years ago “Soldier of Fortune” had some tactical shooting contest with shotguns. Nearly every contestant had the 870. That was all that I needed to know.


15 posted on 08/13/2012 7:19:25 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Are Pride-filled, judgmental christians qualified to be Christians?)
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To: Gaffer
A propos of nothing in particular my just-four year old son who is learning to read(it is a reasonable time in my zone) just walked into my office and asked: "What does that nice white word mean?" To which I replied: FREE REPUBLIC!

A propos of the thread, if you want three decent guns for a grand just go to your most sympathetic pawn shop, and save $100 for a sympathetic gunsmith who will go with you to check 'em out. You do NOT want your shmancy "semi-autos" (what kind of ass needs a semi deer rifle - to hunt deer anyway) blowing up in your face.

To quote that guy in that Deer Hunter movie: "You see this? This is this. This is not some other thing. This is this."

One 30-06. Bolt action. Quality rifle, maybe a Ruger mk77 like mine. One rifle. One shot.
16 posted on 08/13/2012 7:21:11 AM PDT by golux
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To: bjorn14

To keep it within budget, we’ll have to be creative here. I would start your search at gun shows where better deals can be found.

If I were choosing based on this list, (prices are guesstimates of what you can find at a gun show based on what they are going for on gun broker, much higher new/retail pricing)I would go with:

Ruger 10/22 (around $200)
Savage Model 110 (around $500)
Winchester Model 50 (around $250)

Again, these are guesses based on used, gun show price.


17 posted on 08/13/2012 7:23:49 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: bjorn14

For the .22, I’d go with a Ruger ‘10/22’. Why go tube feed in a semi-auto when you can get one with a detachable magazine?(LOTS of parts/accessory options with the 10/22 as well)

As for the shotgun, you can’t go wrong with a Remington 870 or Mossberg 500.


18 posted on 08/13/2012 7:25:18 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: bjorn14
Your total budget is a bit light for the task, but you might be able to do it if you go to a gun show to buy. Also, you might want to try to buy good used guns rather than new.

The Marlin mentioned before is a good choice, you can probably pick up one used for under $100.

The Mossberg 500 12 gauge pump gun is a great starting shotgun. Any length barrel with no tighter than a modified choke will work for slug and shot. If you want a rifled slug barrel, they come extra for under $200.

I like the Remington 700 bolt action in 30-06 for deer and/or elk. For moose, I'd want a larger caliber.

Like I said, go to gun shows, or ask around if any friends or relatives have anything that would fill the bill that they'd sell. Otherwise, you'll need to increase your budget.

Good luck. Unless you need to buy these all right now, take your time and buy them when you find them. That way, you may have a few extra bucks to work with too.

19 posted on 08/13/2012 7:26:54 AM PDT by Kenton
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To: golux

What in the heck are you talking about? A propos? Do you mean apropos? The man asked a question for three specific needs that he specifically qualified.

I happen to have actually purchased a Marlin 60 ($160 with scope) and Mossberg Persuader 8-9 shot pump (right at $220) and I’ve gotten any number of bolt action and semi-autos up to 30’06 that could fit the last need - all bringing in the total cost under his goal.

But, since you seem to have all the answers based on some cryptic pawn and sympathetic gunsmith expertise, go right ahead and tell him how to do it. I was just answering his question based on his parameters, not yours.


20 posted on 08/13/2012 7:31:05 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

I have a tube fed Remington 550. I like it because it will shoot shorts, longs or long rifles without any fuss. That is a cool .22 rifle.


21 posted on 08/13/2012 7:41:28 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: bjorn14
For the .22 I recommend the Ruger 10/22. No, it's not tube fed but has more after market accessories than you can ever imagine. Reliability and accuracy are both excellent. You can usually find it on sale for under $200.

For the shotgun the Remington 870 is an excellent choice. More accessories and interchangeable barrels than you will ever need. Plus the receiver is still made of steel so it can take quite a bit of abuse. Reliability excellent. Price is typically just under $250 on sale.

I don't have a specific recommendation for the center fire rifle since I've always used bolt guns for big game hunting. (Older Winchester model 70 & Remington 700)

22 posted on 08/13/2012 7:44:10 AM PDT by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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To: jospehm20

Exactly. Some people like Ruger 10/22s because they can get all kind of crap to put on it, even big, big magazines. No contest, it’s a great gun. I like my Marlin because it is simple and cheap - one of Marlin’s best selling models.

A good tube-fed 22 is compact as it’s gonna be, let’s you get close to the ground and cover as you can without some bulky magazine poking down, and snags on clothing, brush,etc. less easily. And, as you say shorts, longs, etc are an option. The only round they won’t shoot are 22 WMRs


23 posted on 08/13/2012 7:49:31 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: JimBianchi11; Gaffer; bjorn14

I second what Jim and Gaffer said, although in my neck of the woods you can get the Marlin for under $100 used.


24 posted on 08/13/2012 7:57:25 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: bjorn14

1. Ruger 10/22 ~$250
2. Ruger American 30-06 (Bolt action not auto) ~$350
3. Maverick (made by Mossberg, cheaper than the 500) ~$200

You’ll even have a little money left over for some ammo!


25 posted on 08/13/2012 7:57:48 AM PDT by 762X51
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To: bjorn14
You can get the Marlin model 60 .22 and a rifled Remington 870 shotgun for about $550. That leaves you only $450 for the semi-auto deer/elk rifle. The only one that is close is the Remington 740-7400 series, and they are not military grade. What I am hearing about them is that they simply do not hold up to hard use.

If you are willing to go with a pump deer/elk rifle, then the Remington 760-7600 has a good reputation and are readily available.

The added advantage of the 760 is that the controls are nearly the same as the Remington 870 pump shotgun.

If you wanted to make your entire arsenel have the same controls, you could get the Remington 572 pump .22, which is a wonderful rifle. You can find them used for $200. I am not sure that they are still available new, but the last price I saw for a new one was $532.

The Browning BAR has a good reputation, but cost your entire budget for one.

26 posted on 08/13/2012 7:59:04 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Gaffer

I agree on the Marlin, fun little rifle. I was assuming he was purchasing new. Therefore using my favorites: Mossberg 835 - $550 add $175 for the slug barrel and $20 for a sling.
Weatherby Vanguard 300WM - $600, add at least $200 for a decent quality scope and mounts. $50 for the sling. 150 for the Marlin brings the total to $1795 and there has been no ammo purchased.

If the purchaser is content to buy pre-owned then that is a different story. If they take their time and look maybe $1000 can do it.


27 posted on 08/13/2012 8:00:17 AM PDT by cork
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To: Loud Mime

Dunno what SOF criteria were, but I use an Ithaca 37, ‘cause its a bottom feeder, and thus ambidextrous, and an all metal gun, no plastic here..


28 posted on 08/13/2012 8:05:58 AM PDT by briankk
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To: GenXteacher

I agree on the price for a used Marlin....my BIL asked me once to replace the tube assy plug (his son lost it in the woods) on his Marlin 60. 25 years old at least - never cleaned but still shot. I got a new tube from Numrich and cleaned it and refinished the stock...when finished it looked almost new...liked it so much I bought a new one with a scope for about $160....


29 posted on 08/13/2012 8:07:02 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: bjorn14

For .22, either the Marlin 60 (~$160.) or Ruger 10/22 (~$200.)is a good choice. Marlin also has the 795 (~145.), which is equivalent to the 60 but had a detachable magazine instead of the tube. You might find a used Model 60 for $100.

A used Browing BAR is probably $600-$800. (and up). Savage has a huge number of bolt-action models that are reasonably priced and generally accurate. A few years ago I sold a new-in-box Browning A-bolt Hunter 30-06 for $650. with Leupold rings and a cheapie scope. Whatever you get, remember that a halfway decent scope will cost you. A Leupold VX-3, VX-2 or Redfield is pretty good for the money.

My son just got a Mossberg 500 home-defense shotgun for about $300. This model has a slightly shorter stock and 18.5” barrel. It will accept other Mossberg barrels


30 posted on 08/13/2012 8:15:22 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: bjorn14

I’m going to go against the grain and suggest you stay away from the 10/22. It’s certainly the most popular and it has a bajillion aftermarket parts. After spending another 500-600 dollars above the cost of the 10/22 you almost have a rifle that can compete in terms of accuracy to a Marlin, Savage or CZ.


31 posted on 08/13/2012 8:16:51 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Gaffer

I’ve got two of ‘em- after I shot one belonging to a friend I decided it was pretty much everything I’d want in a .22 rifle.


32 posted on 08/13/2012 8:25:31 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: bjorn14

May I ask why you are looking at all semi-autos?

You need at least one good single shot if this your SHTF plan.


33 posted on 08/13/2012 8:41:04 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: JimBianchi11

Agree with you about the Mossberg 550. I have one next to my bed. My wife shoots lefthanded, I am right handed. Having the safety on top of the weapon makes using it much easier. Also, the safety has a red dot indicator next to the switch, very easy to see when you raise the shotgun to fire.
I also have a Walthers PK380. It also has an ambidexterous (sp) safety.


34 posted on 08/13/2012 8:45:16 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: JimBianchi11

Agree with you about the Mossberg 500. I have one next to my bed. My wife shoots lefthanded, I am right handed. Having the safety on top of the weapon makes using it much easier. Also, the safety has a red dot indicator next to the switch, very easy to see when you raise the shotgun to fire.
I also have a Walthers PK380. It also has an ambidexterous (sp) safety.


35 posted on 08/13/2012 8:46:02 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: bjorn14

1. Ruger 10-22. yes, not tube fed.

2. I love my FNHR .308, but it blows your $1000 budget by itself

3. Same with a Bennelli, love it but blows your budget.

Note, the only thing I hunt is paper or people that kill my family.


36 posted on 08/13/2012 8:49:20 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: bjorn14
Mossberg 590-Heat shield. Bayonet lug (takes standard military M-16 bayo). Used by USMC embassy guards for years. PDs as well.

Remington 870 Police Magnum. Comes off a special, Police assembly line. Extra QC. Not that Remington really needs it, but it does serve a purpose. Carried by PDs for decades now. Both weapons are proven performers.

Ruger 10/22. Excellent little weapon. Been around for a long time now.

Wally World use to have a deer hunter special every fall. Savage bolt action. Can't recall specific model. Quality weapon. Choice of calibers. Came with scope, sling,etc. for $300. Not pretty furniture, but who cares if weapon does what it is supposed to do? And it does.

Alternative would be to look for Pre-1964 Model 70 Winchester. $$. But you do not want junk.

If I've learned anything in my life (about firearms) it is to buy QUALITY to begin with! No junk. Junk will always be junk. Finely built firearms will only increase in value or hold their price. I own all of the above weapons (except the Savage) and have no complaints about them.

37 posted on 08/13/2012 8:53:19 AM PDT by donozark (I never trusted anyone above the rank of Corporal, including myself.)
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To: bjorn14

1: .22 tube feed——REMINGTON NYLON 66. Make sure it is a Remington!

3: Mossberg 500 slug gun.


38 posted on 08/13/2012 8:55:19 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Tyrannies demand immense sacrifices of their people to produce trifles.-Marquis de Custine)
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To: bjorn14; Ruy Dias de Bivar
The shotgun and the .22 are the two primary selections, first. To fit within your budget and buy ammo too in that budget, he's what I would choose:

The Mossberg 702 Plinkster is based upon the MArlin 60 action but is magazine fed ... under $150 new

The Maverick 88 is a good shotgun, but I would go the extra and buy a Remington 870 for the feed issues ... under $400

And for a dependable rifle which will kill ANYTHING, a Mosin Nagant in carbine version but the 91/30 is also dependable ... $ under 200 for a good one

Now, if you want to upgrade, buy the black plastic stock 1022 and two extra Ruger 25 round mags, get the Remington 870 and a magazine extension, and select a clean, tight Mosin Nagant and buy ten stripper clips to go with it.

One last thought: if these weapons are to be used by different sized people, buy a twenty gage shotgun, a Henry repeating .22 which shoots everything except .22 magnums and is under 36 inches long, and build for yourself an AR 15 in 7.62 x 39 with three extra thirty round mags (you can build one right now for under $600 and it shoots one of the best all around cartridges ever developed, which are also available in hollow points). You will still come in under $1000 and be ready for TSHTF to arrive in your neighborhood.

39 posted on 08/13/2012 9:16:26 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: bjorn14

Ruger 10/22 or Marlin 795 and get to an Appleseed. See my tagline.


40 posted on 08/13/2012 9:27:43 AM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: jospehm20

I have a Remington 552 which I don’t think they make anymore. I guess I have had it for maybe 30 years. During that time it has never even thought about jamming and like your 550, it shoots shorts, longs, and long rifle.

It is also way above average in accuracy.

One of those rifles I wish I had back was a Remington Nylon 66, Apache Black with a chrome barrel and receiver. I typically don’t care for flashy rifles but this one just seemed right with the chrome against the black nylon stock.

Probably the consistently most accurate common .22 auto is the Marlin model 60. I have no idea why but every one I have owned or shot has been uncommonly accurate.

The Ruger 10-22 is probably the next .22 I buy. They are only fairly accurate (yes I know many have been made into high quality target rifles but I am talking out of the box accuracy) but they are good enough and all those high capacity mags is a real plus. Now Ruger sells their own brand of 25 round mags for it.

Speaking of accuracy, I have a Marlin bolt action .22 mag which will out shoot most centerfires. It is not particularly well finished and it looks like the mag does not align properly since it just seems to leave the top round sticking out in space but the bolt picks it up every single time. Did I mention it shoots like a house on fire? It does.


41 posted on 08/13/2012 10:33:18 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: Gaffer
What in the heck are you talking about? A propos? Do you mean apropos? The man asked a question for three specific needs that he specifically qualified....

1. I am talking about guns. 2. Please don't lecture me on the subject of French. It's silly on FR and I am fluent. Not "fluent" as in "I am applying to VA Tech and can talk to our maid"

3. Congratulations on having purchased a number of firearms for less than the price of a Wal-Mart TV. I doubt you are fluent, or even proficient, in their use. Yep the word fluent is a propos.

4. Used guns, as you might have inferred, can be dangerous, damaged, have risky serial numbers, be pitted, be warped, or have all sorts of other problems. As do yours, I'd imagine, unless you engaged a qualified and trusty expert to look them over, etc. which was the essence of my "advice."

Now that you've done checking inferred vs implied please note that when you need (when one needs) a firearm, you need it to function properly, and you need to really know it. Yes that was a preposition.

Even someone one who insists on splitting a menial firearms investment on some shoddy grab-bag or explosive crap, if they are a member of this forum, is worthy of good advice. My advice is: spend the grand on ONE weapon and know it well, little Gaffer, unless you're getting the family price. And I sure hope you got it on that Marlin 60 "$160 with Scope!"

Talk about "cryptic!" Good word though. Very cryptic.
42 posted on 08/13/2012 11:20:45 AM PDT by golux
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To: yarddog

***One of those rifles I wish I had back was a Remington Nylon 66,****

I love my Remington Nylon 66! It has NEVER jammed as an old mossberg .22 did. I once had a Colt Stagecoach .22 and it never jammed, but it also was cut for a child and I could not line up the sights.

My other .22 is a Winchester 74 .22. While not so accurate, it also refuses to fully eject the LAST case when it is fired.


43 posted on 08/13/2012 11:57:49 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Tyrannies demand immense sacrifices of their people to produce trifles.-Marquis de Custine)
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To: yarddog

I think it is Marlin micro groove barrels. I have a model 39A that is very accurate and have shot a few other Marline .22s, they were all accurate. I like the model 66 also. I have been looking for one to buy, they are cool guns.


44 posted on 08/14/2012 2:42:36 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: golux

Oh, aren’t we a piece of smug Frenchy work. If you bothered to look in the dictionary, the accepted usage of the word is largely with no space, go look it up.

It is true, however, in your Frenchy-fluent dialect that the word’s origins come from the Frenchy A propos.....big frigging deal - I guess you think we all speak proper Frenchy here, huh?

I guess everyone like you who is applying to VA Tech (some of us here, graduated from more prestigious schools - get back to me when you’ve graduated - if you can) and speaks fluent Frenchy has a leg up on guns and gun knowledge because of the valiant Frenchy battle records?

You have no idea about what anyone here knows about guns and how long they’ve been using them. I’m not ‘little’ and I’m not as young as you apparently have proved you are.

The rest of your comments are worthless to respond to because you are just basically a mean person who doesn’t like to be contradicted. I gave you valid reasons why I responded to the questions asked and their conditions. You chose to go pre-college know-it-all on me because I reminded you of that and called some of your comments about gunsmiths, etc. cryptic.....just a nasty person.


45 posted on 08/14/2012 7:41:44 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer
Well, I'm not French, I am from the American South, and am not a "dual" citizen. I am an American, only. I too went to fancy schools, and as far as undergrad (long ago) is concerned, it is fair to say "the best," though it was of course in the North. Perhaps we were classmates. We are essentially brothers in our aims on this forum and it is silly to unzip and whip out our diplomas which are ultimately expensive paper in the grand scheme. I am not a mean person, and I am genuinely sorry if I offended you. My quick and aggressive response was insensitive.

I suppose I just have had, and heard of, some VERY bad experiences with used and screwed up guns, including the arrest and endless detention of a friend on a funky serial number, and even had a measly pawnshop .22lr "blow up" in my face, which I never would have believed. I am also extremely biased against big-game hunters who want semi-autos because I feel, in my heart, that if one doesn't have a sure drop shot, one shouldn't take it.
46 posted on 08/14/2012 11:06:28 AM PDT by golux
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