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Question: Should President Romney Pardon Treasonist Barack Hussein Obama II, a.k.a. Barry Soetoro ?
Many Sources Linked In Article | Oct 31, 2012 | Yosemitest

Posted on 10/31/2012 5:35:02 AM PDT by Yosemitest



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One other suggestion, read DID OBAMA WANT STEVENS DEAD?
The language is a little abrasive, but spot on.
1 posted on 10/31/2012 5:35:11 AM PDT by Yosemitest
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To: Yosemitest

If Mr. Romney DARES pardon anyone in this matter,
then HE will justifiably inherit the ‘wind’ of the coverup.


2 posted on 10/31/2012 5:39:27 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: Diogenesis
Here's one more article to read.
3 posted on 10/31/2012 5:46:11 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest
I don't think Obama can be pardoned until he is tried and convicted.

Yes, I know Nixon was never formally charged, but he was pardoned by Ford. I still think that was technically incorrect. My suspicion is that an agreement was worked out whereby if Nixon resigned, Ford would pardon him so that Nixon could thus avoid prosecution. But it was procedurally wrong.

At this late date, I don't see Obama giving up the presidency for a pardon. His ego and arrogance won't allow it. He also knows that we have a number of spineless wimps in Washington who won't even try to prosecute him, lest they be perceived as racists.

4 posted on 10/31/2012 5:51:18 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Yosemitest

Obama was guilty of Treason the day he took the oath of office at his Inauguration.

How much more treasonous can you get than to take the Office of the Presidency when you know -—because you studied the Constitution—bcause you considered yourself a Constitutional scholar— That you are not Constitutionally qualified to take that office.

He played a fraud on this country, the biggest fraud in the history of this country.

Romney should open all of Obama’s records with an Executive Order and let America see what Obama has successfully hidden for years.It is crucial for us to know.


5 posted on 10/31/2012 5:55:55 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: fatnotlazy
Well said
'Hence to riser of "the Taxed Enough Aready Party" .
6 posted on 10/31/2012 6:00:30 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

Obama has to be charged first and that won’t happen. He has too many friends in high places. Romney won’t have to worry about this question.


7 posted on 10/31/2012 6:03:08 AM PDT by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: Venturer


8 posted on 10/31/2012 6:04:43 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

A defense attorney may not be left silent. Can an illegal alien be convicted of treason ? (And as far as violation of the oath of office is considered, do we know he took it? Didn’t he magically “flub” it
and claim he “took it in private later?”).


9 posted on 10/31/2012 6:09:28 AM PDT by faithhopecharity
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To: Yosemitest

If Obozo loses big time, after he pardons all of his fellow criminals/traitors he could/might resign:.

1. If he resigns, that makes Biden President.

2. Then, Biden will pardon Obozo and his cabinet members of all crimes/misdeeds like Ford pardoned Nixon:

http://search.comcast.net/?cat=web&con=betac&form_submit=1&q=President+Ford+pardons+Nixon&top_SearchSubmit=

This might be the best outcome and one more reason to defeat the traitor with massive %’s next Tuesday.


10 posted on 10/31/2012 6:12:22 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: napscoordinator
If enough of us yell loud enough ... and long enough, he'll be charged.

Let us remember ...
There's NO "ENIGMA" ... to Barack Hussein Obama II.

The DemocratsNational Socialists, and FASCIST Obama are DOING IT ON PURPOSE!!!!

We were warned.


11 posted on 10/31/2012 6:17:18 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest
ask Gerald Ford

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12 posted on 10/31/2012 6:19:49 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Yosemitest

bump


13 posted on 10/31/2012 6:21:41 AM PDT by COUNTrecount (Clear eyes. Full hearts. Can't fail.)
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To: Yosemitest

“Here’s one more article to read. Libya: Did Obama Admin want US Ambassador dead?”

Yes


14 posted on 10/31/2012 6:22:32 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningful to say)
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To: faithhopecharity
Good question. I assume in the case of the Arab-Kenyan Barack Hussein Obama II, (a.k.a. Barry Soetoro), I assume they'll make an exception.

Come to think of it, I believe you're correct.
15 posted on 10/31/2012 6:25:07 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: faithhopecharity
Here's your proof with video.
16 posted on 10/31/2012 6:33:08 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: Grampa Dave
I think Obama should be prosecuted in accordance with the U.S. Constitution and receive the maximum penalty under the law.
Obama should receive NO pardon.
17 posted on 10/31/2012 6:38:03 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: Diogenesis

Ha, the president can pardon himself.


18 posted on 10/31/2012 6:41:30 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Yosemitest

How about.. before any talk of criminal charges and possible pardons of Obama... we worry about seeing Romney to victory on Nov 6 FIRST?


19 posted on 10/31/2012 6:41:35 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Recordhighturnoutisourhopeforsending0bamahome.Prayhard!!!)
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To: Yosemitest

try him and hang him,
Or just get a rope?


20 posted on 10/31/2012 6:46:53 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Yosemitest

It doesn’t matter what we think.

OboZo and his legion of left wing lawyers will figure out how to remove any threat of jail after he is defeated.

The best thing would be to charge and try him and his cluster of evil for treason after he is no longer president.

Then get conservative lawyers to charge all of them with civil crimes and sue the bastards for the rest of their lives.


21 posted on 10/31/2012 6:49:00 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: Yosemitest

If 0bama cannot pardon himself, he will resign just before Mitt takes the Oath of Office and have Biden pardon him.


22 posted on 10/31/2012 6:49:43 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: ScottinVA
That's a given, minus the voting dead and voting pets.
23 posted on 10/31/2012 7:00:20 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: Joe Boucher
How about ( ? )That would be justice! b
24 posted on 10/31/2012 7:03:51 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest
Should President Romney Pardon Treasonist Barack Hussein Obama II, a.k.a. Barry Soetoro ?

No.

25 posted on 10/31/2012 7:10:38 AM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Yosemitest

Obama is just a man, and a fairly pathetic one at that.

I would rather a hundred such scoundrels like him walk the streets than *anything* they had created in the law survive.

The best revenge is success. By this I mean restoring America’s economy, slashing the size and scope of its national government, restoring and revitalizing the military, and stripping the power from groups that would undermine our solvency and freedoms and lives.

Men come and men go. In a hundred years, all new people.

What lasts, what should last, are the ideas we inherited from our founding fathers. Our best revenge is to restore these ideas, clearing out the dross and pragmatic abuses, to clean it and shine it and hand it off to our posterity in better condition than we got it.

To do so would be like gall and wormwood to people like Obama. For it would defeat and destroy the dreams of their hateful fathers, leaving America strong, not weakened or destroyed or defeated.


26 posted on 10/31/2012 7:21:33 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: Yosemitest

If Romney wins he, as a Republican and along with the Congressional Republicans will “let bygones be bygones” and not mention the Benghazi affair or any other kenyan problems. It would be, however, a nice gesture if he would ostentatiously pardon the kenyan for any “all crimes committed in his presidency.” There would be no prosecutions anyway and the pardon would get a big point across. Alternatively Romney might, after winning the election, suggest to the kenyan that he Pardon himself before he actually leaves office.


27 posted on 10/31/2012 7:39:07 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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OK THANKS!
SO here is what my questions seem to (?) be now...

1. you say you’re sure they’ll make an exception for BHusseinO if an alien can’t be convicted of treason (because he did not have a citizen’s duty of loyalty to begin with)...
1. I would be very uncomfortable with any making of an exception. The law is supposed to be followed and people (of any stripe, even commie pinko Islamacist terrorist lovers) are not supposed to be “made exceptions of” — that is how people are treated in the kinds of shitcan countries they come from. This is America, if BHO is to be convicted it must be of some law that applies to him and what he’s done.
2. I remain uncertain about the law on treason but it maybe could apply to BHO. If it does, it would likely be by this line of argument...
a. Treason, as defined by the Constitution, comprises of the following:

“Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.” U.S. Const. art. 3 § 3”

Now then, while we could argue that some of his actions — such as the Mexican gun-running or the horrible Libyan murders incident -— comprise acts of war against the USA, it is unnecessary here because of the other clause, that... treason also includes ... “adhering to (America’s) enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort...”.

There is no problem seeing BHO’s actions as falling within the “Aid and Comfort” clause. “Aid and Comfort” means ...”an act which weakens or tends to weaken the power of the [sovereign] and of the country to resist or to attack the enemies of the [sovereign] and the country.” Cramer v. United States, 325 U.S. 1, 29 (1945). It is difficult to recall a single day when BHO did not work to do this.

SO, all that leaves is the question whether an alien can be convicted of treason (the argument being that an alien owes no duty of loyalty so cannot be said to have broken one). The answer, I now believe, is YES. I believe an alien resident in America CAN be convicted of treason, after all. For, “The alien, whilst domiciled in the country, owes a local and temporary allegiance, which continues during the period of his residence.” ... Carlisle v. United States, 83 U.S. 147, 154 (1872).

(Also, he could be held to his oath of office, if he really did take it .. ha... as laying the grounds for a duty of loyalty ... OR he could possibly be charged directly with violation of the oath itself, or both charges could maybe be filed?)

I will welcome any possible corrections to the above, admittedly preliminary, legal analysis. I just felt I needed to at least try to start answering the “can an alien be charted with treason” question... since I kept raising it, ha!


28 posted on 10/31/2012 7:43:18 AM PDT by faithhopecharity
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To: Yosemitest

Actually it would be a really bad precedent to prosecute a president after he leaves office. The Democrats will hold power again sometime and if the precedent has been set then they will, as a matter of course, prosecute former Republican presidents for whatever they can think up and will put them in prison.That would be the end of the Republic, should it still exist, because the people who would then seek the presidency would be all dictatorially minded. Total power would have to be secured along with lifetime tenure in order to avoid prison.


29 posted on 10/31/2012 7:44:15 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: ScottinVA
Oh, I forgot.
30 posted on 10/31/2012 7:51:39 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: arthurus

I disagree.


31 posted on 10/31/2012 7:54:22 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: faithhopecharity
Your reply was well; thought out, and what I wanted.
How would Congress's resolution about Obama's citizenship affect your answer?
32 posted on 10/31/2012 7:59:28 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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I would not think a Congressional resolution proclaiming him an American citizen would change this analysis much, since it appears he can be tried for treason even as a resident alien?

(I think also that a good defense attorney could argue all day about a Congressional declaration of a fact as “law,” where that fact is demonstrably false... and where it were to be used, perhaps, as an essential element in a criminal conviction... raises all sorts of fun questions... ha... but at any event, it does not appear necessary to reach this ..)

I remain very open to any corrections or improvements on my earlier posting which is to be considered as merely a preliminary first stab at the “can a treason charge stand?” question. Perhaps there is a lawyer out there with the time and resources and expertise to really research this for us? Thanks!


33 posted on 10/31/2012 8:17:39 AM PDT by faithhopecharity
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To: Yosemitest
try and convict him of treason, execute him and deport his carcass to Kenya!
34 posted on 10/31/2012 8:29:13 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Yosemitest

No, President Obama should not be pardoned.

People died in Mexico.
People died in America.
People died in Benghazi.

Not as result of normal warfare but because of calculated strategies meant to circumvent the Constitution or protect a political campaign. In fact, deaths might even have been considered crucial to the success of these activities.

Watergate was about a political campaign but nobody died or was even injured. Not the same at all.


35 posted on 10/31/2012 9:07:36 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: Joe Boucher

“Sentence first, verdict after.” Queen of Hearts from Alice in Wonderland.

Many here seem just as delusional.


36 posted on 10/31/2012 9:17:45 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: arthurus
Indeed this is a typical characteristic of a third world hell hole.

If a party loses power their administration is prosecuted and jailed and/or executed.

This provides a huge incentive to not have free and fair elections, to not give up power when elections are lost, to suspend or rewrite Constitutions, to declare oneself “Dictator for Life”, etc, etc.

Criminalizing policy differences as treason is not a smart move. And arming rebels in Libya wasn’t even much of a policy difference. Should McCain be tried for treason on the same grounds?

37 posted on 10/31/2012 9:21:53 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

Even criminalizing actual crimes is not good. It would be taken politically as political prosecution/persecution and for Republicans that would stick because the Democrats own the MSM. That’s why I think President Romney should, as his first official act, should pardon the kenyan for all crimes committed during his term.


38 posted on 10/31/2012 9:51:26 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: faithhopecharity
Well, I'll trust your input, since I'm not a lawyer.
Maybe a REAL Constitutional Lawyer, not of the ILK of the ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF, will help us figure this one out.
39 posted on 10/31/2012 1:34:59 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: dalereed

You’re my kind of FReeper.


40 posted on 10/31/2012 1:36:05 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: servo1969
Obama's Father?, Obama's Father? You're right on all the issues you mentioned.
And let's not forget:
41 posted on 10/31/2012 1:42:04 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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And your proof of MacLAME McCain's Treason IS ..... ?
42 posted on 10/31/2012 1:45:17 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: arthurus
Huh ?


Or .... could you EXPLAIN that to ANY military member or retiree?
43 posted on 10/31/2012 1:56:54 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest
If 0bama is guilty of treason for arming Libyan rebels, was not McCain for advancing the exact same policy?

Is it only treason when 0bama does it?

44 posted on 10/31/2012 2:07:02 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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45 posted on 10/31/2012 2:07:28 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: allmendream
I don't remember that.
Do you have a link?
P.S. I can't stand the backstabber, McCain !
46 posted on 10/31/2012 2:12:00 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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47 posted on 10/31/2012 2:19:06 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/06/in-the-senate-mccain-kerry-introduce-libya-resolution/

“The resolution authorizes force in Libya – but specifies that the mission is limited in scope, with no U.S. ground troops. It grants President Obama authority for one year to advance U.S. national security interests as part of NATO’s efforts against Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi.”

McCain introduced the resolution alongside Kerry. Is this enough “consent and approval of the Senate” for your taste?

So is it only treason when 0bama does it?

Criminalizing policy differences with outgoing administrations is the domain of third world banana republics - and as I said before you went of half cocked - this wasn't even much of a policy difference.

48 posted on 10/31/2012 2:29:17 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream
If McCain worked to get “consent and approval of the Senate” with language which "specifies that the mission is limited in scope, with no U.S. ground troops", then THAT becomes Official U.S. Foreign Policy.
It changes things.
But it does NOT justify Barack Obama denying backup support and abandoning Chris Stevens, Glen Doherty, Sean Smith, and Tyrone S. Woods.
The ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF still committed TREASON and got Americans killed, because of politics.
And he's going to turn against Israel, and help his Muslim Brothers nuke Israel;.
49 posted on 10/31/2012 2:46:15 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest
Nothing changed other than you became aware of something basic you should have been aware of before.

Not authorizing a rescue mission IN THIS INSTANCE was cowardly and a despicable lack of leadership - but it doesn't fit the definition of treason. Not even close.

Is it criminal? No. Otherwise no President who has men die under orders when a rescue could have conceivably helped them would be safe from such charges.

When I was in the Air Force it was explained that the loss of ten men rescuing a downed pilot was a justifiable cost, although eleven might be considered an unacceptable loss. But if they refuse to send in twenty men after they lose ten, are they guilty of murder for abandoning a downed pilot?

Now if you want to rant and rave without critical information (McCain's support for Libya and the Senate vote), instead of researching a little and making yourself aware of such critical information - go ahead with your bad self! But you aren't making yourself look rational or well informed by doing so.

50 posted on 10/31/2012 2:57:12 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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