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Question: Should President Romney Pardon Treasonist Barack Hussein Obama II, a.k.a. Barry Soetoro ?
Many Sources Linked In Article | Oct 31, 2012 | Yosemitest

Posted on 10/31/2012 5:35:02 AM PDT by Yosemitest



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To: Yosemitest

It doesn’t matter what we think.

OboZo and his legion of left wing lawyers will figure out how to remove any threat of jail after he is defeated.

The best thing would be to charge and try him and his cluster of evil for treason after he is no longer president.

Then get conservative lawyers to charge all of them with civil crimes and sue the bastards for the rest of their lives.


21 posted on 10/31/2012 6:49:00 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: Yosemitest

If 0bama cannot pardon himself, he will resign just before Mitt takes the Oath of Office and have Biden pardon him.


22 posted on 10/31/2012 6:49:43 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: ScottinVA
That's a given, minus the voting dead and voting pets.
23 posted on 10/31/2012 7:00:20 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: Joe Boucher
How about ( ? )That would be justice! b
24 posted on 10/31/2012 7:03:51 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest
Should President Romney Pardon Treasonist Barack Hussein Obama II, a.k.a. Barry Soetoro ?

No.

25 posted on 10/31/2012 7:10:38 AM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Yosemitest

Obama is just a man, and a fairly pathetic one at that.

I would rather a hundred such scoundrels like him walk the streets than *anything* they had created in the law survive.

The best revenge is success. By this I mean restoring America’s economy, slashing the size and scope of its national government, restoring and revitalizing the military, and stripping the power from groups that would undermine our solvency and freedoms and lives.

Men come and men go. In a hundred years, all new people.

What lasts, what should last, are the ideas we inherited from our founding fathers. Our best revenge is to restore these ideas, clearing out the dross and pragmatic abuses, to clean it and shine it and hand it off to our posterity in better condition than we got it.

To do so would be like gall and wormwood to people like Obama. For it would defeat and destroy the dreams of their hateful fathers, leaving America strong, not weakened or destroyed or defeated.


26 posted on 10/31/2012 7:21:33 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: Yosemitest

If Romney wins he, as a Republican and along with the Congressional Republicans will “let bygones be bygones” and not mention the Benghazi affair or any other kenyan problems. It would be, however, a nice gesture if he would ostentatiously pardon the kenyan for any “all crimes committed in his presidency.” There would be no prosecutions anyway and the pardon would get a big point across. Alternatively Romney might, after winning the election, suggest to the kenyan that he Pardon himself before he actually leaves office.


27 posted on 10/31/2012 7:39:07 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: Yosemitest

OK THANKS!
SO here is what my questions seem to (?) be now...

1. you say you’re sure they’ll make an exception for BHusseinO if an alien can’t be convicted of treason (because he did not have a citizen’s duty of loyalty to begin with)...
1. I would be very uncomfortable with any making of an exception. The law is supposed to be followed and people (of any stripe, even commie pinko Islamacist terrorist lovers) are not supposed to be “made exceptions of” — that is how people are treated in the kinds of shitcan countries they come from. This is America, if BHO is to be convicted it must be of some law that applies to him and what he’s done.
2. I remain uncertain about the law on treason but it maybe could apply to BHO. If it does, it would likely be by this line of argument...
a. Treason, as defined by the Constitution, comprises of the following:

“Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.” U.S. Const. art. 3 § 3”

Now then, while we could argue that some of his actions — such as the Mexican gun-running or the horrible Libyan murders incident -— comprise acts of war against the USA, it is unnecessary here because of the other clause, that... treason also includes ... “adhering to (America’s) enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort...”.

There is no problem seeing BHO’s actions as falling within the “Aid and Comfort” clause. “Aid and Comfort” means ...”an act which weakens or tends to weaken the power of the [sovereign] and of the country to resist or to attack the enemies of the [sovereign] and the country.” Cramer v. United States, 325 U.S. 1, 29 (1945). It is difficult to recall a single day when BHO did not work to do this.

SO, all that leaves is the question whether an alien can be convicted of treason (the argument being that an alien owes no duty of loyalty so cannot be said to have broken one). The answer, I now believe, is YES. I believe an alien resident in America CAN be convicted of treason, after all. For, “The alien, whilst domiciled in the country, owes a local and temporary allegiance, which continues during the period of his residence.” ... Carlisle v. United States, 83 U.S. 147, 154 (1872).

(Also, he could be held to his oath of office, if he really did take it .. ha... as laying the grounds for a duty of loyalty ... OR he could possibly be charged directly with violation of the oath itself, or both charges could maybe be filed?)

I will welcome any possible corrections to the above, admittedly preliminary, legal analysis. I just felt I needed to at least try to start answering the “can an alien be charted with treason” question... since I kept raising it, ha!


28 posted on 10/31/2012 7:43:18 AM PDT by faithhopecharity
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To: Yosemitest

Actually it would be a really bad precedent to prosecute a president after he leaves office. The Democrats will hold power again sometime and if the precedent has been set then they will, as a matter of course, prosecute former Republican presidents for whatever they can think up and will put them in prison.That would be the end of the Republic, should it still exist, because the people who would then seek the presidency would be all dictatorially minded. Total power would have to be secured along with lifetime tenure in order to avoid prison.


29 posted on 10/31/2012 7:44:15 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: ScottinVA
Oh, I forgot.
30 posted on 10/31/2012 7:51:39 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: arthurus

I disagree.


31 posted on 10/31/2012 7:54:22 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: faithhopecharity
Your reply was well; thought out, and what I wanted.
How would Congress's resolution about Obama's citizenship affect your answer?
32 posted on 10/31/2012 7:59:28 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

I would not think a Congressional resolution proclaiming him an American citizen would change this analysis much, since it appears he can be tried for treason even as a resident alien?

(I think also that a good defense attorney could argue all day about a Congressional declaration of a fact as “law,” where that fact is demonstrably false... and where it were to be used, perhaps, as an essential element in a criminal conviction... raises all sorts of fun questions... ha... but at any event, it does not appear necessary to reach this ..)

I remain very open to any corrections or improvements on my earlier posting which is to be considered as merely a preliminary first stab at the “can a treason charge stand?” question. Perhaps there is a lawyer out there with the time and resources and expertise to really research this for us? Thanks!


33 posted on 10/31/2012 8:17:39 AM PDT by faithhopecharity
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To: Yosemitest
try and convict him of treason, execute him and deport his carcass to Kenya!
34 posted on 10/31/2012 8:29:13 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Yosemitest

No, President Obama should not be pardoned.

People died in Mexico.
People died in America.
People died in Benghazi.

Not as result of normal warfare but because of calculated strategies meant to circumvent the Constitution or protect a political campaign. In fact, deaths might even have been considered crucial to the success of these activities.

Watergate was about a political campaign but nobody died or was even injured. Not the same at all.


35 posted on 10/31/2012 9:07:36 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: Joe Boucher

“Sentence first, verdict after.” Queen of Hearts from Alice in Wonderland.

Many here seem just as delusional.


36 posted on 10/31/2012 9:17:45 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: arthurus
Indeed this is a typical characteristic of a third world hell hole.

If a party loses power their administration is prosecuted and jailed and/or executed.

This provides a huge incentive to not have free and fair elections, to not give up power when elections are lost, to suspend or rewrite Constitutions, to declare oneself “Dictator for Life”, etc, etc.

Criminalizing policy differences as treason is not a smart move. And arming rebels in Libya wasn’t even much of a policy difference. Should McCain be tried for treason on the same grounds?

37 posted on 10/31/2012 9:21:53 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

Even criminalizing actual crimes is not good. It would be taken politically as political prosecution/persecution and for Republicans that would stick because the Democrats own the MSM. That’s why I think President Romney should, as his first official act, should pardon the kenyan for all crimes committed during his term.


38 posted on 10/31/2012 9:51:26 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: faithhopecharity
Well, I'll trust your input, since I'm not a lawyer.
Maybe a REAL Constitutional Lawyer, not of the ILK of the ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF, will help us figure this one out.
39 posted on 10/31/2012 1:34:59 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: dalereed

You’re my kind of FReeper.


40 posted on 10/31/2012 1:36:05 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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