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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 16, APRIL 19, 2013
Free Republic | April 19, 2013 | greeneyes

Posted on 04/19/2013 1:07:02 PM PDT by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you.

This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks. No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked.

It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread ... there is no telling where it will go and that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!


TOPICS: Gardening
KEYWORDS: agriculture; food; gardening; hobby
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To: fanfan

KEWL!


121 posted on 04/21/2013 10:59:19 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: ApplegateRanch; tubebender; greeneyes; Mike

This is a new one for me; not familiar with the controversy regarding the Chinese garlic. Could you enlighten my ignorance?


122 posted on 04/21/2013 11:10:55 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

I’d be tempted to use that to make cockie-garlcie, instead of cockie-leekie, soup. ;-’)

Is there a recipe available?

[pretty please?]


123 posted on 04/21/2013 11:15:53 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: TEXOKIE
Put the roots in the ground now. Add some good garden soil and store-bought manure and hill up the plants in a trench or series of trenches.

Don't expect anything the first year...

124 posted on 04/21/2013 11:49:46 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: TEXOKIE

(obviously biased source) https://www.christopherranch.com/archives/89
Risks Associated With Widespread Chinese Garlic Use
The influx of Chinese garlic into the U.S. has brought with it an array of safety, health and environmental problems for consumers, customers and the globe.
Considering Chinese garlic represents nearly 60% of fresh garlic distributed in the U.S., it is a legitimate reason for concern.
Retailers and foodservice providers are now required to place a Country of Origin Label on all produce items, so it’s important to recognize where your garlic is coming from, as there are major safety, health, flavor, freshness and environmental discrepancies between California-grown and Chinese garlic:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/19/AR2007061900423.html

Some California growers and processors say that even though they don’t like Chinese garlic, they buy some because it’s cheaper than what it costs them to grow it — even in Gilroy, the “Garlic Capital of the World,” which in July will hold its 29th annual festival celebrating the vegetable.

Bill Christopher of the 50-year-old Christopher Ranch there, one of the largest U.S. growers, explained why: “A 30-pound box of Chinese garlic is $14, but our cost [to produce it] here is $26.27.” Although he claims California garlic tastes better — independent lab tests show it’s denser in texture than Chinese — his company uses imports in some prepared products, such as sauces.


http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1129725

The bulk of the world’s garlic is produced in China where the cost of labour significantly reduces the cost of manual processing that garlic requires. For this reason, in those countries that accept imported garlic (including USA, Australia but not Europe), buying imported garlic is cheaper.

Despite this, Chinese garlic does not meet with food safety protocols (at least those in Australia). According to Henry Bell of the Australian Garlic Industry Association, garlic from China is doused in chemicals to stop sprouting, to whiten garlic, and to kill insects and plant matter. He also reports that garlic is grown in untreated sewage ((http://www.theage.com.au/news/epicure/f...) .

Garlic can be whitened by using chlorine or with a mixture of sulphur and wood ash. Whitening garlic helps to make it look healthier and more attractive to consumers. In fact this obsession with white foods has lead to the bleaching of many food products (flour, salt, sugar) using chlorine dioxide or benzoyl peroxide.

Growth inhibitors are used to stop garlic from sprouting and can be made from hormones or chemicals. When garlic begins to sprout, the garlic clove loses much of its potency. Growth inhibitors together with gamma irradiation extend the shelf life of garlic.


125 posted on 04/21/2013 12:27:53 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: TEXOKIE

I was being cockie-cheekie, as the garlic stalk looked somewhat like a leek, and I love garlic.

OTOH, I would use a cockie-leekie recipe, simply substituting the immature garlic for most or all of the leeks.


126 posted on 04/21/2013 12:31:22 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: TEXOKIE

China flooded the US market with their inferior garlic for less then it cost to grow it over there and I think the FTC called them on it.


127 posted on 04/21/2013 12:42:37 PM PDT by tubebender (Evening news is where they begin with "Good Evening," and then proceed to tell you why it isn't.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Good Work AR!!!


128 posted on 04/21/2013 1:29:53 PM PDT by tubebender (Evening news is where they begin with "Good Evening," and then proceed to tell you why it isn't.)
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To: tubebender
I haven't tried polycarbonate yet. I used the old translucent fibreglass panels to build vent windows in the greenhouse, and they are affected by the sunlight. They turn real cloudy. I've been thinking about 24mil polyvinyl curtains (the same type that are used for vehicle access into climate controlled areas) but then weight comes into the picture.

I often tell the Mrs that we should have built a greenhouse and moved in there instead of a house. Sometimes, I think she takes me seriously. ;)

129 posted on 04/21/2013 3:02:35 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: Sarajevo
Brier Bender's solution to hail destroying the 6 mil greenhouse covering was to use a router on all the spars and then invite a FRiend from the glass company out to share 2 cases of beer while he cut the double strength glass to fit. Every opening was DIFFERENT so I made 2 adjustable jigs to aide the glass cutter. Sealing the hubs was not easy and wood rot finally took its toll but it lasted almost 30 years…

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130 posted on 04/21/2013 5:33:19 PM PDT by tubebender (Evening news is where they begin with "Good Evening," and then proceed to tell you why it isn't.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Thanks!


131 posted on 04/21/2013 8:27:15 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Thanks, AR! This definitely got my attention!

“...Despite this, Chinese garlic does not meet with food safety protocols (at least those in Australia). According to Henry Bell of the Australian Garlic Industry Association, garlic from China is doused in chemicals to stop sprouting, to whiten garlic, and to kill insects and plant matter. He also reports that garlic is grown in untreated sewage”
((http://www.theage.com.au/news/epicure/f...)

I had NO idea there were any problems at all.

What should I do about garlic now? Is it possible to find the 40% that isn’t China grown? Is garlic powder from the spice racks in the grocery stores the china garlic?

Oh boy. Another thing to worry about. But oh well. I do appreciate the enlightenment.


132 posted on 04/21/2013 8:34:03 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

LOL! I have to confess, I guess I don’t get out much...I had never heard of cockie-leekie !

I looked it up and found this one:

http://romancingthebee.com/2013/03/14/scottish-cockie-leekie/

Seems it was on the menu the day the Titanic sunk!

Sounds yummy!...Though I would not have thought of using prunes with those other ingredients. I guess I have some experimenting to do! I like your idea of substituting the garlic.


133 posted on 04/21/2013 8:42:56 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: tubebender; ApplegateRanch

Thanks for the succinct summary of what has happened to garlic. I was telling Applegate Ranch that I had had no idea at all there was any kind of problem with it.


134 posted on 04/21/2013 8:46:59 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: JDoutrider; greeneyes
Getting hit with yet another 4-10" over the next few days.


135 posted on 04/21/2013 10:25:31 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: tubebender

Well, that’s interesting. That’s enough time to make a big difference.


136 posted on 04/21/2013 10:35:38 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Darth Reardon

That’s one big bush!


137 posted on 04/21/2013 10:37:18 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: TEXOKIE

This is my first year for starting seedlings. I have always before just waited till the weather was warm enough to plant directly in the ground.

However, since we had such a horrible dry and hot summer last year, I wanted to jump start so as to get some things harvested before July and August dog days.

So I am just a learnin’ about it. When you plant stuff outdoors and the weather is great it seems to me they just magically grow like the dickens.LOL


138 posted on 04/21/2013 10:42:36 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: TEXOKIE

Thanks. Looks like we have one about 40 miles away too. Not an area we have occasion to visit, so it will mean a special trip, or maybe a side trip on the way to ST. Louis someday.


139 posted on 04/21/2013 10:47:43 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: TEXOKIE

I don’t know much about Asparagus. It doesn’t have a crop every year, and it takes 3 years before the first one. I probably would wait till all danger of frost is past before planting.

Lots of things are hardy once established, but kinda tender till then. We have a little asparagus in our backyard. We aren’t sure exactly how it happened, cause we don’t remember planting it.LOL


140 posted on 04/21/2013 10:50:40 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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