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It’s Official US Startup Admits to Purchasing Rossi’s E-cat LENR Technology
Cold Fusion3.com ^ | January 25, 2014 | jennifer

Posted on 01/27/2014 9:05:31 PM PST by Kevmo

It’s Official US Startup Admits to Purchasing Rossi’s E-cat LENR Technology Published January 25, 2014 | By jennifer

A North Carolina based company called Industrial Heat LLC has come out and admitted that it now owns Andrea Rossi’s ecat low energy nuclear reaction (LENR) technology. Industrial Heat has put out a press release in which it confirmed rumors that it had spent $11 million to purchase Rossi’s device.

The New Home of the Ecat an aerial view of North Carolina's Research Triangle

The press release also confirmed speculation that Tom Darden of Cherokee Investment Partners a North Carolina equity fund is a principal investor in Industrial heat. It stated that one of Darden’s associates J.T. Vaughn is the manager of Industrial Heat LLC. Industrial Heat LLC is based in the Research Triangle region around Raleigh, North Carolina where many technology companies have operations. Cherokee’s website describes Vaughn as a Senior Analyst at the firm.

Tom Darden of Cherokee Investment Partners LLC, courtesy Bizjournals

Vaughn said that his company had acquired the intellectual property rights to the Ecat in the press release. Vaughn and Darden were convinced of the Ecat’s authenticity by a report prepared by physics professors Guiseppe Levi, Hanno Essen, Ronald Petterson, Torbojorn Hartman, Bo Hoistad, Roland Pettersson and Lars Tegner. The scientists tested the ecat in December 2012 and March 2013 and observed its operations. Vaughn and Darden also had an unidentified independent expert exam the ecat before investing their money in it.

The press release stated that Industrial Heat has prepared numerous patent applications to protect ecat technology but wouldn’t’ elaborate. The release didn’t say if any of these applications have been filed or not.

“The world needs a new, clean and efficient energy source,” Vaugh said of his reasons for acquiring Ecat in the press release. “Such a technology would raise the standard of living in developing countries and reduce the environmental impact of producing energy.”

JT Vaugn Courtesy Pure Energy Systems and Sterling Allen

The press release stated that Industrial Heat wants to enter into partnerships with other companies, universities and nongovernment organizations (NGOs) to develop LENR technology. It didn’t identify any of these partners or mention any specific uses for Ecat technology.

Predictably and sadly the cold fusion skeptics have already started attacking Industrial Heat. The Gizmodo blog is claiming that Darden and Vaughn were bamboozled and bought a reactor that might not actually work. Typically the skeptics provide absolutely no proof for their accusations they just make them and hope nobody questions their statements. Those who criticize Rossi for not verifying claims turn around and do exactly the same thing.

Tom Darden

Vaughn and Darden seem like hardhead and sensible businessmen who have done their homework. They actually looked into Ecat and got the facts before investing. Gizmodo mentions Rossi’s criminal conviction but doesn’t mention the involvement of distinguished professors such as Guiseppe Levi in the ecat project.

Industrial Heat’s confirmation is very good news, despite the skeptics. It’s the biggest investment so far in cold fusion and it proves there are far sighted businessmen interested in commercializing this important technology. Hopefully Industrial Heat will be able to commercialize the Ecat and looking into other LENR devices such as those at Brillouin.


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KEYWORDS: bollocks; canr; cmns; coldfusion; lenr
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To: Lx
Pay no attention to the 500KW generator running during the 1mw plant that only ran at 500kw due to leaks supposedly.

That demo was the most secretive of all. Open access to the setup would have resolved all remaining questions, one way or another. There is no need to believe if one can measure.

61 posted on 01/28/2014 12:13:03 PM PST by Greysard
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To: Wonder Warthog
I could have used Himmler, would that have been better? I put no trust in Krivit either, it seems he has a hair for Rossi so I take his reporting about Rossi with a ton of salt.

Wait, did I trick you into going to Wiki? No, I told you upfront the info was from Wiki and to take that into account. I didn't realize the rot went that high, Wiki is in the tank for big oil and is downgrading LENR, is that your story and you're going to stick with it? OMG, Science, Nature, and Scientific American are in it too. How high up does this go, Obama, it's Obama right or aliens.

I'll raise your Jed Rothwell with a Mary Yugo. Rothwell runs lenr-canr.org and is a cold fusion researcher. That doesn't make everything he says wrong but you have to admit, he's basically blowing his own horn and has a vested interest in LENR. Whether that is a bad thing or a good thing we don't know yet so I put Rothwell in the same place I would put Krivit. I hope I don't have to downgrade him to Sterling Allen status.

So yes, I'll trust Rothwell, whom I have observed over many years over an unknown Italian politician.

I'm touched by your generosity. Do you trust another Italian as well, that Italian being Rossi?

I would like to see where Rossi sold his petroldragon 'tech' in the US and became a millionaire. You do have a source for that statement, yes and please tell me it doesn't begin with, "Rossi says..."

62 posted on 01/28/2014 12:14:08 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: Kevmo

Rossi says he is chief scientest for e-cat at the firm.

From wikipedia:

Petroldragon[edit]
In 1974, Rossi registered a patent for an incineration system. In 1978, he wrote The Incineration of Waste and River Purification, published in Milan by Tecniche Nuove. He then founded Petroldragon, a company for developing oil from waste, which collapsed in the 1990s amidst allegations of dumping toxic waste,[11] and accusations of tax fraud. Its assets were seized, together with Rossi’s personal assets, and Rossi was arrested pending trial. Rossi spent four years in prison working on his legal defense in 56 trials, 5 of which ended in convictions related to tax fraud. Rossi wrote that he was acquitted in the other 51 trials.[12] The government of Lombardy spent over forty million euros to dispose of the 70,000 tonnes of toxic waste that Petroldragon had improperly dumped.[13] According to the mayor of Lacchiarella, Luigi Acerbi, “In the years when [Rossi] was working here, he didn’t produce a single drop of oil, as far as we know.”[12]
At the conclusion of the trials in 1996, Rossi moved to the US.[14]

Electricity from waste heat[edit]
In the US Rossi started the consulting firm Leonardo Technologies, Inc. (LTI). He secured a defense contract to evaluate the potential of generating electricity from waste heat by using thermoelectric generators. Such devices are normally only used for refrigeration (Peltier effect), because the efficiency for generating electrical power is only a few percent. Rossi suggested that his devices could attain 20% efficiency. Larger modules would be manufactured in Italy.
Rossi sent 27 thermoelectric devices for evaluation to the Engineer Research and Development Center; 19 of these did not produce any electricity at all. The remaining units produced less than 1 watt each, instead of the expected 800–1000 watt.[15]


63 posted on 01/28/2014 12:21:55 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: Moonman62

“Most likely this company is part of the scam. It only costs a couple of hundred dollars to form a company and put out a press release.”

Company ‘formed’ in 2012 ...


64 posted on 01/28/2014 12:26:41 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: Wonder Warthog
This deserves it's own post. Yes, lets talk about things, according to Rossi.

1) According to Rossi, he designed and built thermoelectric generators that put out 800 watts but were destroyed in a fire. Of the several he did submit, only one worked and it produce 1 watt.

2) According to Rossi, he had an ecat running in one of his factories for two years. Where is this factory?

3) According to Rossi he was going to have robot plants making millions of ecats.

About that factory:

Before going public with his ECAT fusion invention, Andrea Rossi had also manufactured a boiler, using this method, that has heated his factory Ferrara, a small town in Northeast Italy. Since this boiler has heated the factory for about a year, they were able to make experiments in an actual working reactor. The reactor in Ferrara reactor is similar to the modern ECAT that they are making and has a module of about 20 kilowatts. It provides heat to an area that measures about 1000 square feet. Ferrara is a very cold area in Italy where winter can go on for the duration of five months in a year. With temperatures ranging from 6 to 10 degree Celsius. The reactor was able to provide heat to the office and factory for over a year. This result encouraged Andrea Rossi to make the other modules that later would be tested by other scientists. They are now in the process of building a one megawatt plant.

Rossi says...

Now, wouldn't it be far more believable to show the working ecat in his factory then the ridiculous demos he did?

4) According to Rossi, he has factories all over the place, he implied he was going to make ecats in Florida but had to go on record as stating that he wasn't making anything and certainly anything nuclear.

Clearly, anything that begins with, "Rossi says..." needs to be evaluated on his very flexible version of the truth.

65 posted on 01/28/2014 12:28:54 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: Wonder Warthog

“Cherokee undoubtedly checked out both the technology AND Rossi. “

Then the are aware that Rossi has a record of scams and fraud and went to prison for fraud?


66 posted on 01/28/2014 12:29:22 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: Wonder Warthog

“You talk to me about Goering, and you quote WIKIPEDIA, whose prejudice against LENR approaches that of Science, Nature, and Scientific American.”

Jed Rothwell is a contributing editor on cold fusion for wikipedia.


67 posted on 01/28/2014 12:31:58 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: Wonder Warthog
OF COURSE Rossi was looking for money. Why else work long hours in a lab if not??? You are assuming that his work is fraudulent but THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE OF THAT. NONE.

Your caps lock has convinced me, 2014 will be the year of Rossi although it may be different than you think. I think prison.

68 posted on 01/28/2014 12:32:36 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: Wonder Warthog

“You are assuming that his work is fraudulent but THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE OF THAT. NONE. “

His past two ‘major projects’ were frauds. So was he. He spent four years in jail for fraud.


69 posted on 01/28/2014 12:33:10 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator
Jed Rothwell is a contributing editor on cold fusion for wikipedia.

OMG, it never ends, the conspiracy for LENR rivals that of JFK. Jed Rothwell makes the perfect front for a disinfo agent. And if you think I actually have gone insane and believe that, well you believe Rossi. And by you, I don't mean TexasGator.

70 posted on 01/28/2014 12:35:58 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: TexasGator
His past two ‘major projects’ were frauds. So was he. He spent four years in jail for fraud.

You have to understand the thinking that goes on in handwaiving that inconvenient fact away. It was the mafia that wanted control of Rossi's petroldragon or the Illuminati changed the laws that made Rossi a criminal. They could find Rossi over a dead body of his mortal enemy with a bloody knife in his hand and they would waive it away as he was giving CPR.

71 posted on 01/28/2014 12:40:01 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: All

this scam always appears just before a major political event such as an election or the SOTU.

This is just trolling like the creationist threads.


72 posted on 01/28/2014 12:46:12 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Lx
"I'll raise your Jed Rothwell with a Mary Yugo. Rothwell runs lenr-canr.org and is a cold fusion researcher. That doesn't make everything he says wrong but you have to admit, he's basically blowing his own horn and has a vested interest in LENR. Whether that is a bad thing or a good thing we don't know yet so I put Rothwell in the same place I would put Krivit. I hope I don't have to downgrade him to Sterling Allen status.

If that is your opinion of Rothwell, then you're an ignorant idiot.

"I'm touched by your generosity. Do you trust another Italian as well, that Italian being Rossi?"

As I've said repeatedly on these threads......NO! But his technology has been tested multiple times by highly competent scientists. That data is there, and to write it off because Rossi at one time was in trouble with Italian authorities is simply to display pathogical skepticism.

"I would like to see where Rossi sold his petroldragon 'tech' in the US and became a millionaire. You do have a source for that statement, yes and please tell me it doesn't begin with, "Rossi says..."

I've already told you once that Jed Rothwell looked into Rossi's US background and what he found. Do I have a link? No. I visit a LOT of websites and don't keep track of all of them. So it is "Rothwell says........", not "Rossi says".

73 posted on 01/28/2014 2:18:03 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: Lx
Blah, blah, blah. Memes from skeptic websites. I don't have time to rebut each of these.

It's not about "trusting Rossi". It is about evidence provided by knowledgeable scientists from multiple tests. At some point you have to start looking at the data instead of spouting off negative social factors.

You insist on writing off ALL test data because Rossi was at one time in violation of Italian law, which is ridiculous.

74 posted on 01/28/2014 2:28:02 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: TexasGator
"Then the are aware that Rossi has a record of scams and fraud and went to prison for fraud?"

What makes you think they don't??

75 posted on 01/28/2014 2:28:11 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: TexasGator
"Jed Rothwell is a contributing editor on cold fusion for wikipedia."

Yeah. You might want check what HE says about his experiences as a "contributing editor" when he has tried to get corrections made.

76 posted on 01/28/2014 2:29:53 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: TexasGator
"His past two ‘major projects’ were frauds."

Nope. I've read the government issued report on his thermal converter experiment. I see no evidence of fraud.

"He spent four years in jail for fraud."

Financial fraud, not technical.

77 posted on 01/28/2014 2:32:24 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: Wonder Warthog
If that is your opinion of Rothwell, then you're an ignorant idiot.

I'll wear that compliment with pride.

As I've said repeatedly on these threads......NO! But his technology has been tested multiple times by highly competent scientists. That data is there, and to write it off because Rossi at one time was in trouble with Italian authorities is simply to display pathogical skepticism.

Look, I realize you are the self appointed arbiter of what is real and valid and as always, backed up with an appeal to authority but you, simply put, are wrong.

Not one demo that Rossi did was out of his control and manipulation. The demo with the hot-cat is equally suspicious, I'm not an expert on nuclear reactions but I damn well am an expert at electronics and yes that too is an appeal to authority.

Why did he use two phases of a three phase system to heat his hot-cat? There's no reason to, to calculate A/C power you need to break out some trig and you have to understand the entire system including the impedance of the power supply. Use D/C and simple algebra will suffice and it will be accurate. So why did he use A/C and on top of that, it was modulated by triacs, do you know how much noise triacs create? That also increases complexity and makes actual power usage harder to calculate and what instruments did they use to determine power, clamp on meters (hint, the triacs screw up the readings), this is real science to you? No, that's all wrong. Rossi says (there's that phrase again) that the resisters(heaters) are needed to kick off the reaction and modulate it with the implied possibility of a run away reaction if the resisters aren't on. I'll leave the fact that it has been said he needs the resisters ON to stop a runaway reaction to a later time. What would have been easier and accurate would be to use D/C, run it through a transistor, a small current from the emitter to the base would modulate the transistor from off to full conduction to control the resister. Then you use an inline ammeter or one across a 1ohm resister to determine current. Use a DMM to measure voltage, voltage times current equals wattage, it doesn't get any simpler.

So, why did he use two phases of a three phase power system, it isn't easier to setup, it sure isn't easier to determine the power in so what are we left with, I say deception. And how did they determine how much heat the hot-cat was putting out, an infrared thermometer. Weren't you the one who said he needed to do proper calorimetry but suddenly an infrared thermometer is good enough? Don't you have to assume some things when you do a black body calculation such as emissivity and didn't they use the number that gave them the best results? In the past, Rossi used some suspiciously placed thermocouples so we know he knows they exist, why wasn't there one on the hot cat?

Never mind the fact that it was running when the team got there, there being Rossi's 'lab' including Rossi's buddy Levy. Yeah, as you huffed, it was all kosher according to you.

78 posted on 01/28/2014 4:18:34 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: Wonder Warthog
Blah, blah, blah. Memes from skeptic websites. I don't have time to rebut each of these.

Time or ability? I realize you must go through some serious cognitive dissonance to say that Rossi is on the up and up and it is affecting your postings. Now you're taking everything personal when you started out you were basically talking about the science. It must be a struggle to be a Rossi apologist knowing what you know. The first time you sell your soul it is hard but in time, it gets easier and easier and your posts get angrier and angrier not to mention snippier.

For a small stipend I'll relieve you of your guilt in perpetrating this fraud.

Even if Rossi's e-cat is real, the contortions you go through to say that these demos mean anything must leave you bent like a pretzel.

You insist on writing off ALL test data because Rossi was at one time in violation of Italian law, which is ridiculous.

I will assume you have heard of and understand the United States court system. If a witness is found lying on the stand, that one lying statement will be used to impeach the witness's entire testimony.

79 posted on 01/28/2014 4:28:11 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: longtermmemmory; All; Kevmo

Forget Rossi’s shipping containers! Blacklight is going to power 10,000 homes from a one cubic foot device....soon...
and my perpetual motion machine will be in every garage...soon..


80 posted on 01/28/2014 6:04:35 PM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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