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Starship Troopers: One of the Most Misunderstood Movies Ever
The Atlantic ^ | November 7, 2013 | Calum Marsh

Posted on 12/02/2014 7:02:56 AM PST by C19fan

When Paul Verhoeven’s Starship Troopers hit theaters 16 years ago today, most American critics slammed it. In the New York Times, Janet Maslin panned the “crazed, lurid spectacle,” as featuring “raunchiness tailor-made for teen-age boys.” Jeff Vice, in the Deseret News, called it “a nonstop splatterfest so devoid of taste and logic that it makes even the most brainless summer blockbuster look intelligent.” Roger Ebert, who had praised the “pointed social satire” of Verhoeven’s Robocop, found the film “one-dimensional,” a trivial nothing “pitched at 11-year-old science-fiction fans.”

But those critics had missed the point. Starship Troopers is satire, a ruthlessly funny and keenly self-aware sendup of right-wing militarism. The fact that it was and continues to be taken at face value speaks to the very vapidity the movie skewers.

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TOPICS: TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: fiction; science; starship; troopers
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To: Don W

Mea culpa. Indeed you did.


61 posted on 12/02/2014 11:30:58 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: zeugma

Likewise “I, Robot” - bought the rights just to rename an existing script, rename a couple characters, and inject a definitive quote; result is absolutely nothing like the book.

Hmmm.....wonder what other movies fit the category of “based on the back cover of the novel”?


62 posted on 12/02/2014 11:33:14 AM PST by ctdonath2 (You know what, just do it.)
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To: C19fan
scene
63 posted on 12/02/2014 12:11:49 PM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

To be honest it was not even supposed to be StarShip Troopers..

I have read it was a movie by a diff title then changed just before production.

The book is 180deg from the flick in politics

it is about the individue vs the collective and the choice of individuals to defend what they belive


64 posted on 12/02/2014 12:31:01 PM PST by Bidimus1
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Especially since the very last sentence of the book shows us the main hero was not a blond blue eyed Argentinean.

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I don’t remember, what is the last sentence?


65 posted on 12/02/2014 12:38:37 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: C19fan
The only thing I remember about ST was Denise Richards' ample bosom.

"Get a good look, Costanza?"


66 posted on 12/02/2014 12:49:25 PM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: Don W


Being a mom and taking her daughters to the JCC. Still not ugly.
67 posted on 12/02/2014 1:03:05 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I loved Denise Richards in this movie. So young, so firm, and such high-minded D-cups.

This movie came out back when Denise was still fresh-faced and innocent, and before she became a bitter, hateful, petty, worn out harpy.

Damn you Charlie Sheen!

68 posted on 12/02/2014 1:33:15 PM PST by T-Bone Texan (The time is now to form up into leaderless cells of 5 men or less.)
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To: T-Bone Texan

Winning!!!


69 posted on 12/02/2014 1:34:29 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Any energy source that requires a subsidy is, by definition, "unsustainable.")
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To: Chickensoup

He mentions that his native language is Tagalog.


70 posted on 12/02/2014 3:28:53 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I survived I-35W through Fort Worth in Rush hour!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; Chickensoup
He's Filipino.

The Argentine thing might be because his Mother get's nuked by bugs in Buenos Aires while visiting friends/relatives.

71 posted on 12/02/2014 3:32:07 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: C19fan
Oh I got the theme. But it wasn't satire. Satire requires a certain level of subtle precision.

Paul Verhoeven's Starship Troopers was propaganda, about as satirical as Reefer Madness

72 posted on 12/02/2014 7:58:00 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Television: Teacher, Mother, Secret Lover)
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To: C19fan
Verhofen completely missed (or deliberately misinterpreted) Heinlein's original story.. Heinlein believed in, and wrote, stories based on ideas. The ideas in “Starship Troopers” were threefold: 1) technology would completely change the way individual soldiers fought in combat; the Mobile Infantry, each man an individual armored, flying unit with more firepower than a division today; 2) A libertarian, but militarized, world government: in the original story, everything was voluntary, but with full citizenship the reward for volunteering for the really dangerous jobs (like combat); Fascism was nowhere to be found; 3) a decidedly post-racialist, post-nationalist society; Rico (the protagonist) is a Filipino living in South America; the other characters are a mix of races and nationalities. The movie included none of these themes. Indeed, went in the opposite direction on each of them, so much so that the author of the review mistook it for "a satire on militarism and jingoism."
73 posted on 12/02/2014 8:37:25 PM PST by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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To: ctdonath2

“...what other movies fit the category of ‘based on the back cover of the novel’.”

Asimov’s “Nightfall,” for one.


74 posted on 12/02/2014 9:01:50 PM PST by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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To: C19fan

Verhoeven completely missed (or deliberately misinterpreted) Heinlein’s original story.. Heinlein believed in, and wrote, stories based on ideas. The ideas in “Starship Troopers” were threefold: 1) technology would completely change the way individual soldiers fought in combat; the Mobile Infantry, each man an individual armored, flying unit with more firepower than a division today; 2) A libertarian, but militarized, world government: in the original story, everything was voluntary, but with full citizenship the reward for volunteering for the really dangerous jobs (like combat); Fascism was nowhere to be found; 3) a decidedly post-racialist, post-nationalist society; Rico (the protagonist) is a Filipino living in South America; the other charactors are a mix of races and nationalities.


75 posted on 12/02/2014 9:08:07 PM PST by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

> But those critics had missed the point. Starship Troopers is satire, a ruthlessly funny and keenly self-aware sendup of right-wing militarism. The fact that it was and continues to be taken at face value speaks to the very vapidity the movie skewers.

The vapid critic misses the whole point, which is, the movie was a POS. There is no right-wing militarism, as Bob Dole pointed out, the 20th century was filled from beginning to end with Democrat Wars, and wars by notorious murdering politicians like Stalin and Hitler and Mao and Ho, all of whom were championed by the left. In the case of Hitler, when he attacked Stalin, WWII suddenly became a secular crusade against the very same political system that Stalin had built.


76 posted on 12/03/2014 11:19:23 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Celebrate the Polls, Ignore the Trolls)
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To: C19fan

I’m not claiming Starship Troopers is a masterpiece by any means, but it does have it’s charms. The first thing is not to compare it to the book. Paul Verhoeven didn’t care in the least about what the book actually said. And, yes, the military tactics and equipment are just stupid. Those aren’t what the movie is about so just accept it and move on.

Completely by accident, I saw Paul Verhoeven’s Soldier of Orange just before I went to Starship Troopers. That movie follows the lives of a group of young Dutch during the Nazi occupation. If you don’t mind foreign-language movies, it’s a great show. Also, it’s got Rutger Hauer. Anyway, it really made sitting through Starship Troopers much more interesting having just seen his treatment of Nazi military fascism. Paul Verhoeven actually lived through the occupation as a small boy so that may have influenced his attitude about the whole thing just a little.


77 posted on 12/03/2014 4:28:02 PM PST by ConfusedAndLovingIt
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To: ConfusedAndLovingIt

“The first thing is not to compare it to the book.”

Then why title the film and promote it as a movie based on the book?


78 posted on 12/07/2014 6:29:46 PM PST by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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