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The Fermi Paradox Is Not Fermi's, and It Is Not a Paradox
Scientific American ^ | 1/29/16 | Robert H. Gray

Posted on 02/02/2016 1:30:21 AM PST by LibWhacker

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To: trenton1776
I’m a writer of science fiction stories,

I have a few original ideas that need a good writer.

Freepmail me if interested.

61 posted on 02/02/2016 10:59:22 AM PST by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: Arlis
SciFi nuts Music fans love the thought of other dimensions, and indeed, there may be 5 or more.


62 posted on 02/02/2016 11:05:17 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Dear Santa: Please find a home for every homeless and unwanted cat and dog that is suffering)
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To: grania; Lou L; Hot Tabasco; Vaquero

the problem with spreading terraforming across the cosmos is the amount of materials you’d have to drag along. this makes it almost prohibitive.

that being said, it’s possible ‘seed pods’ could be sent out, pods that would find a suitable location and start the process.

of course, it’d be very wasteful to spew seed pods across the universe, hoping they might find a suitable planet.

instead, the builders would probably use the gate system to transport the seed pods to planets found to be suitable by the cheaper, more expendable, searcher drones.


63 posted on 02/02/2016 12:15:35 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten
(I love crazy speculative thought)

Could "seed pods" be transported by comets?

64 posted on 02/02/2016 12:19:27 PM PST by grania
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To: kitchen

Can’t be these guys, SG-1 killed them all.

Jaffa Kree


65 posted on 02/02/2016 1:09:49 PM PST by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: ShadowAce
It is illogical to conclude that life exists elsewhere, without evidence.

If there is life on other planets around stars in some other galaxy, I bet they say exactly the same thing.

66 posted on 02/02/2016 3:12:03 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Larry Lucido
Maybe they are all on the Andromeda Galaxy and are on their way here.

One can only hope.


67 posted on 02/02/2016 3:17:03 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: MNDude
The Drake Equation is ridiculous and doesn't contain use any real facts.


68 posted on 02/02/2016 3:31:20 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: PIF
That may apply if all life must be 1) human-like 2) carbon based

Is all life carbon-based, here on Earth ?

69 posted on 02/02/2016 3:34:52 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: grania

since a comet is nothing more then a rock moving thru space.. then yes, the pods could hitch a ride on an guided rock.

still not very efficient and leaves the chance of the comet splashing down in a star or a planet outside the ‘goldilocks’ zone, thereby resulting in a failed planting


70 posted on 02/02/2016 3:35:23 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: UCANSEE2

As far as I’m aware.


71 posted on 02/02/2016 3:38:15 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: UCANSEE2

We might not yet recognize life other than carbon-based, especially if its dynamics are very slow — appearing unchanging to us over a human lifespan or even human history.


72 posted on 02/02/2016 3:42:52 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OMorgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: Vaquero
We could not live on a planet with truly alien life forms.

I don't know, we've got some pretty alien life forms here on Earth.

73 posted on 02/02/2016 4:03:33 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: MosesKnows

You raise a key point.

Making contact requires two parties existing at the same time. And that may the difficult part. Depending on how you manipulate the various factors of the Drake Equation, you may get a few dozen to a thousand or more. The problem is that, even if each civilization has a time frame of ten million years from rise to collapse and they occur sequentially, the total time for 1000 is 10 billion years in a universe that is already 16+ billion years old. Since, as Carl Sagan said, there are “millions and millions and billions and billions,” there is a strong likelihood that there may never be more that two or three civilizations at any one time that are capable of interstellar space flight and they may all be in different galaxies. There will be long periods were there is only one or perhaps even none.

Then there is the “Great Filter.” I’ve attached a pretty good article that explains the concept.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wait-but-why/the-fermi-paradox_b_5489415.html


74 posted on 02/02/2016 4:04:02 PM PST by Captain Rhino (Determined effort today forges tomorrow.)
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To: sten
still not very efficient and leaves the chance of the comet splashing down in a star or a planet outside the 'goldilocks' zone, thereby resulting in a failed planting

A majority of seeds that are given off by plants fail to grow.

75 posted on 02/02/2016 4:07:37 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Or an opportunity for the human race to expand outward on the grandest of all scales...

If there isn’t “anyone” else out there does that mean it’s all potentially ours? Just come and get it?

We’re so preoccupied with the concerns of life here on Earth and there’s a universe to be colonized...


76 posted on 02/02/2016 4:47:44 PM PST by elteemike (Light travels faster than sound...That's why so many people appear bright until you hear them speak!)
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To: Dad was my hero
Michael Crichton's lecture "Aliens Cause Global Warming", in which he eviscerates the Drake Equation, can be found here.
77 posted on 02/02/2016 6:36:05 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: elteemike

We’re so preoccupied with destroying life here on Earth.

We do have a couple of ‘pets’ running around on Mars.

Ever wonder why we don’t have any on the Moon, which is like closer than an electron to it’s nucleus. ?


78 posted on 02/02/2016 9:41:49 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: DuncanWaring
"Speaking precisely, the Drake equation is literally meaningless, and has nothing to do with science. I take the hard view that science involves the creation of testable hypotheses. The Drake equation cannot be tested and therefore SETI is not science.
Which, of course is utter drivel. Michael Crichton should have stuck to writing pop novels and not ventured into passing judgement on the validity of mathematical equations and their role in science, which he clearly did not understand.
79 posted on 02/03/2016 12:33:07 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

The Drake Equation is drivel masquerading a science.

How many of the terms in the equation are knowable within three orders-of-magnitude?


80 posted on 02/03/2016 4:10:22 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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