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Crimes/Accidents Committed While High On Pot in Wa/Or/Co-Can States Be Named Co-Defendant?

Posted on 05/12/2016 8:24:11 AM PDT by Be Careful

Since these states are legislating by usurping Federal law, can they be held responsible for creating/enabling an environment that contributed to an accident or a crime?


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To: taxcontrol

The Feds should be going after Or/Wa/Co, according to Federal law.....but they are not.

Federal law will change on this to become like these states.

But, in the meantime, my original question still stands.


21 posted on 05/12/2016 8:57:35 AM PDT by Be Careful
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To: slumber1

box of corn flakes.

if they eat one bowl with milk and sugar with a spoon, they are ok.
If they eat the whole box full raw and then eat the actual box, they are high


22 posted on 05/12/2016 8:58:00 AM PDT by stylin19a
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To: fella

The war on drugs is a miserable failure.

My husband and I voted for marijuana legalization in Washington state and so did tons of conservatives, including many who had been directly involved in the failed war on drugs - sheriffs, etc.

What the police bring to me at work in many states where I have worked, night after night after night, are drunks from behind the wheel. Not pot smokers.


23 posted on 05/12/2016 8:59:25 AM PDT by MarMema (`)
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To: SJSAMPLE; dware
Sounds a whole lot like a State's right's issue to me.

Double Bingo!

Regards,

24 posted on 05/12/2016 9:01:24 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Be Careful

>>...can they be held responsible for creating/enabling an environment that contributed to an accident or a crime?<<

Good grief. This is just about as dumb as it gets.

Can anyone spell....A L C O H O L?

Not defending pot use, but come on. Far more folks have been killed or injured because of alcohol.


25 posted on 05/12/2016 9:01:50 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Be Careful
True...but pot is specifically illegal at the Federal level.

They should have shot Wickard and sent Filburn to Congress.

26 posted on 05/12/2016 9:02:30 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: alexander_busek

It is not a State’s rights issue, as pot is illegal at the Federal level.


27 posted on 05/12/2016 9:02:56 AM PDT by Be Careful
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To: dware

“Hmmm...not finding “marijuana regulation” in the Constitution. I did, however, find where powers not specifically granted to FedGov are reserved to the States, and to the People...

Sounds a whole lot like a State’s right’s issue to me.”

Exactly. This is entirely a state issue.

The fedgov patently exceeded their authority when they took on the task of categorizing and regulating drugs and other such substances, and undertook the “WAR AGAINST DRUGS” to protect We, the People. (The caps are on purpose, to underline the absurdity of how the fedgov approaches this problem, and most other problems, for that matter).

The fedgov profits massively from the WAR AGAINST DRUGS, and that is so wrong, on so many levels. I would venture a guess (and it is guess, nothing more) that a very high percentage of the total corruption of the fedgov can be traced to the WAR AGAINST DRUGS.


28 posted on 05/12/2016 9:06:06 AM PDT by LaRueLaDue
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To: Be Careful

So the Feds are liable for all the alcohol related death and destruction too!


29 posted on 05/12/2016 9:08:43 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed,)
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To: Be Careful
A state’s law cannot exceed or modify Federal law.

If the federal government was not specifically delegated a particular power by the States and the people (in the US Constitution), then it can only take that power by usurpation, i.e. illegally.

30 posted on 05/12/2016 9:08:49 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Be Careful
It is not a State’s rights issue, as pot is illegal at the Federal level.

As others here have already pointed out, the illegalization of pot by the Federal Government is itself un-Constitutional.

Regards,

31 posted on 05/12/2016 9:11:52 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Be Careful

The subsequent question is by what legal authority does the Federal government assume it can control the sale of pot? Especially since the laws in Colorado require that it be grown, processed, sold in State to those who have been in the state for 30 days or longer.

In other words, no inter-state commerce or trade. There is no constitutional authority for the feds here.

Same thing with guns. If a gun is manufactured and sold within a state, what authority does the Fed have to regulate the ownership, or sale of such a firearm?


32 posted on 05/12/2016 9:12:49 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: rawcatslyentist
Every state issues alcohol permits. Are they liable for drunks murdering people every year?

Alcohol can be consumed in acceptable levels to still drive a vehicle. Pot, not so much. That's why bar owners are responsible for drunks when they leave their establishment visibly drunk, get in a car, and kill somebody.

33 posted on 05/12/2016 9:18:44 AM PDT by Go Gordon (Barack McGreevey Obama)
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To: Marie
Can a state be sued for allowing the sale of alcohol? Can a gun manufacturer be sued if a gun that they made is used in a crime? Can an open carry state be sued if a gun is used in a crime?

Okay, one at a time. It is not against federal law to sell or consume alcohol. Strike One.

It is not against federal law to sell or possess a gun. Strike two.

Regardless of open carry state, the use of a gun for its intended purposes is not against federal law. Strike three, you're out.

34 posted on 05/12/2016 9:22:26 AM PDT by Go Gordon (Barack McGreevey Obama)
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To: Be Careful
A state’s law cannot exceed or modify Federal law.

It most certainly can, otherwise I could take my 30-round-mag having, no bullet-button bs, AR-15 into California, without being arrested on felony charges. Nothing in the Constitution gives the federal government the power to criminalize drugs.

35 posted on 05/12/2016 9:40:24 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (I got nothin'.)
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To: Be Careful

Can you sue the state when someone is drunk and commits a crime, because the state allows alcohol to be sold?


36 posted on 05/12/2016 9:45:28 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Be Careful

Oh, so you like Federal laws to overrule state laws, in areas where the Federal government has no delegated Constitutional authority?


37 posted on 05/12/2016 9:46:35 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Go Gordon

Here’s a strike for you.

You can’t stop it no matter what you do or say.

Somethings are beyond your control.

That is all.


38 posted on 05/12/2016 9:47:05 AM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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To: MarMema

Yep, cops don’t even want to bother with pot smokers because (unless they are also drinking or doing other drugs), they are just a nuisance and not generally causing a lot of trouble.

When they gave the cops in my city the discretion to either arrest the potheads or give them a ticket, they universally chose to ticket unless they catch someone who is clearly a drug dealer or gang banger.


39 posted on 05/12/2016 9:53:58 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: LaRueLaDue

“to protect We, the People” ... from ourselves. Don’t forget that part. The entire premise of these laws is that the goons in the government think they are better suited to decide what we can put in our own bodies than we are.


40 posted on 05/12/2016 9:57:57 AM PDT by Boogieman
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