1969 Film of Bernie Sanders spreading North Vietnamese propaganda

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[mainestategop]

In this 1969 documentary of a seditious meeting of communists with the notorious communist and terrorist Walter T Howard CCCP of New York City, we see Bernie Sanders attending a meeting and a filming of a North Vietnamese communist film that portrays the communist viet cong as freedom fighters and the Americans as torturers and barbarians.

This and other films were shown by student radicals and marxists as Americans were being killed by the North Vietnamese army and the VietCong and as Vietnamese civilians were being murdered, tortured, buried alive and extorted by the communists and their gangster protection schemes of uncle Ho. Before he died, Ho Chi Minh and Nguyen Van Hieu, leader of the VC admitted that the mafia protection rackets formed the basis of the vietcong which mercilessly exploited the peasants of rural SVN and killed those they did not like, sometimes for no reason whatsoever.

Even after the end of the war and the annexation of the south and the victory of the communists, loyal communists found themselves murdered by the government in Hanoi. Nearly all of them were killed off in a purge, few survived and lived in exile in Laos, Cambodia and Australia.

The communists enjoyed abusing freedom of the press and freedom of the speech, the result of capitalism while in communist regimes to speak out or even be suspected of dissent would result in one's imprisonment or death. Throughout the Vietnam war and the war on terror, communists and their allies Muslim radicals and other evil groups enjoy protection under the 1st amendment of the US constitution.

Bernie Sanders now lives the life of a 1%er while condemning the very system that allowed him to prosper.

[morphing libertarian]

every movement should be founded on lies, thugs and with foreign money

[Berosus]

I think I saw the flag of the Pathet Lao in the second picture, too.

[Berosus]

Okay, I’ll check them out. I was sixteen years old when the war ended, so I can always learn more about it.

[ETL]

I think I saw the flag of the Pathet Lao in the second picture, too.

You're correct. To be honest, I had never heard of them before.

Flag of the Pathet Lao (on left)

"The Pathet Lao "Lao Nation"[1]) was a communist political movement and organization in Laos, formed in the mid-20th century. The group was ultimately successful in assuming political power in 1975, after the Laotian Civil War. The Pathet Lao were always closely associated with Vietnamese communists. During the civil war, it was effectively organized, equipped and even led by the Army of North Vietnam. They fought against the anti-communist forces in the Vietnam War."--wikipedia

[Berosus]

Yes, that’s how I remember the Laotian part of the war. The Pathet Lao were the fourth member of the Indochinese communist team, along with the North Vietnamese armed forces, the Viet Cong, and the Khmer Rouge. If you haven’t heard of the Pathet Lao, it’s because they didn’t have to fight as hard as the others. In fact, the 1973 cease-fire and coalition government established in Laos looked like they were going to hold. But when the rightist (anticommunist) members of the coalition heard that Saigon had fallen, they suddenly quit and fled the country, allowing the Pathet Lao to peacefully take over the part of Laos they didn’t have already.

[rktman]

Thanks for your service. There are a lot of VN vets who did more that 1 or 2 tours. As far as the PTSD aspect, it’s highly likely that the dnc was responsible for a lot of that. It was a strange time to be in uniform whether you were just leaving, just returning or somewhere in between. Not many thank yous being handed out then. That’s why I try to thank today’s youngsters in uniform whenever I can. Maybe you could write a short story: “How Viet Nam Taught Me To Hate Libs/Dems.” ;-)

[Fedora]

Thanks for the ping! Good job adding the graphics to the information :-)

[otness_e]

Actually, a bit of a semi-related topic: Do you think the climax of Return of the Jedi (particularly Darth Vader turning on the Emperor to save his son) was taken from that NVA propaganda film? I know that clip was from New York while Lucas was most likely in California at the time, but I couldn’t help but notice a lot of similarities, almost word for word, of that propaganda piece and the Vader/Skywalker conflict in that film, even right down to Vader killing the Emperor to save his son, much like the brother killed his American officer to save his sister and Vader having similar conflict regarding duty to the Empire or helping his son. It also doesn’t help that Lucas already made it clear the Ewoks in the film and, heck, the entire ground battle of Endor, was supposed to be commentary on the Vietnam War (or, for that matter, his development notes for the first Star Wars revealing it was meant to be Vietcong propaganda since he first started writing the films).

And yeah, what a pinko crook, that Bernie. The only silver lining with Hillary Clinton stealing the election from him is that it ensured we didn’t have to worry about a communist in the white house, or rather, another, more openly communist in the white house.

[mainestategop]

no. I don't think so. NVA prop films are way over the top. They aren't even that creative. I mean, the mother gives the order to fire? I was laughing my head off at that one. The thing about communist fiction movies they're all the same and the plot is the same. The capitalists, the whites, the owners, Christians and those who support them are all evil, the commies are the good guys portrayed as hard working peasants who are being enslaved and cheated and never did anything bad.

The producers and writers are free to portray the villainous "westerners" in any grotesque evil way their twisted imaginations come up with, often times you'll have some guy or girl who's like the brother in the film, a loyal servant who has second thoughts about whether what master is doing is right, usually either a soldier, a servant, an informer, maybe even the boss's own children usually the daughter, he or she is pushed to the edge when they witness atrocities or if their relative joins the communist party, in the middle of the films there's rising conflict, war, sedition, innocent people dying and in the end the communists, the people united under the red banner overcome, sometimes with help from the sympathizer and they live on in the revolution.

All and all, there is little creativity, little value in commie films. To compare the Star wars saga with something like this trite is like, well you may as well compare star wars with Howard the Duck! That's how bad it is.

Communists and also fascists are basically ignorant, uneducated stupid and misled and possess little talent or ability. This is why they join. Remember that the CCCP and Occupy wall street and Antifa is almost made up of the flotsam and jetsam of society. People like Moldylocks for instance, People who are hard to consider people. They're degenerates, addicts, low IQ, mentally ill, violent, credulous, brute beasts, its not that they don't want to work, its that they're unemployable.

over a hundred years ago, before unions, before communism, these people had a place to go, they worked at farms, workshops ETC, they made clothespins, matches, they lived in Bungalows, they get paid, then they go to town and got drunk or high and went home.

So no. I doubt Lucas got his ideas from the reds. Star Wars seems to be based more on Eastern religion which the commies tended to eschew and on history among other things.

[otness_e]

Oh, I agree that the NVA films are way over the top, and have very little value, as does the communist bit. Oh, and also the communists and like-minded groups being made up of the trash of society as well.

However, even though I really do wish that Lucas didn’t base the Rebels on the Vietcong... well, Lucas more than made it clear that he did with this: https://otnesse.tumblr.com/post/162081709399/this-is-from-george-lucas-1973-notes-for-star (and yes, those are my screencaps. I took screencaps of the necessary pages in case anyone doubted my claims about Lucas basing the Rebels on the Vietcong since 1973. The book was The Making of Star Wars, and you can find it on pages 16-17).

That, and his commentary for Return of the Jedi (either that, or Empire of Dreams) made the fact that the Ewoks based on the Vietcong and the Empire on America a bit too explicit (that’s also why I’m no longer a Rebel supporter but rather an Empire supporter, especially when I don’t like to be tricked into rooting for Communists and would never knowingly do so.).

[mainestategop]

OMFG!!!

If the rebels from star wars are like the Vietcong, then Bernard Cornwell based Uhtred of Bebbanburgh on Bishop Fulton Sheen.

I wonder what Lucas was smoking when he got that idea!

[otness_e]

Apparently, he decided to revisit themes he explored with the movie Apocalypse Now back when he was working on it before the studio forced him to give it to Francis Ford Coppola when he made Star Wars. This is from pages 7 and 8 of the book:

“’I was in debt,’ Lucas says. ‘I needed a job very badly, and I didn’t know what was going to happen with [American] Graffiti, so I started to work on Star Wars rather than continue with Apocalypse Now. I had worked on Apocalypse Now for about four years and I had very strong feelings about it. I wanted to do it, but could not get it off the ground. Columbia had just turned it down. It had started at Warner and then it went to Paramount, and it had been just about everywhere in town. Everybody had that script at least once, and the main studios had had it twice. I think everybody was just afraid of the Vietnam War and they were afraid that it was going to cost more than what we thought it was going to cost, and nobody wanted to go near it. So I figured what the heck, I’ve got to do something, I’ll start developing Star Wars.’
“Throughout his life up to that point, Lucas had had a number of key interests, apart from cinema and art: anthropology-the interaction of politics, history, and people; mythology, as a representation of cultural conditioning; traditional adventure stores; and . . . speed. From hot rods to rocket ships. All three interests are present in THX 1138, which contains an ambiguous government, robot police, a judicial system ruled by a computer, and people who are persecuted for not taking drugs prescribed by the state; it opens with a clip from a Buck Rogers serial and ends with an ultra-high speed car and motorcycle chase. Graffiti also ends with a high-speed vehicular climax and a coda that mentions the Vietnam War-in fact, the whole film takes place within the shadow of that conflict and the impending social upheaval of the 1960s. But with Apocalypse Now on the sidelines, many of its particular political conceits were transferred to the front lines of Lucas’s space fantasy film.
“’A lot of my interest in Apocalypse Now was carried over into Star War,’ Lucas say. ‘I figured that I couldn’t make that film because it was about the Vietnam War, so I would essentially deal with some of the same interesting concepts that I was going to use and convert them into space fantasy, so you’d essentially have a large technological empire going after a small group of freedom fighters or human beings.’”

I think you’re familiar with what Apocalypse Now was like, and how anti-American it was.

[SunkenCiv]

Note: this topic is from 8/15/2016. Thanks mainestategop.

[GOPJ]

Thanks for reposting...This one’s a keeper.

[GOPJ]

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