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There is no proof that we evolved from apes. Period
the Sunday Telegraph ^ | 9/11/05 | Vij Sodera

Posted on 12/15/2005 9:10:41 AM PST by flevit

Simon Schama appears to have little understanding of biology (Opinion, September 4). With an ostrich mindset that tries to ignore reality, pseudo-scientists continue in the vain hope that if they shout loud and long enough they can perpetuate the fairy story and bad science that is evolution.

You don't have to be a religious fundamentalist to question evolution theory - you just have to have an open and enquiring mind and not be afraid of challenging dogma. But you must be able to discern and dodge the effusion of evolutionary landmines that are bluster and non sequiturs.

No one denies the reality of variation and natural selection. For example, chihuahuas and Great Danes can be derived from a wolf by selective breeding. Therefore, a chihuahua is a wolf, in the same way that people of short stature and small brain capacity are fully human beings.

However, there is no evidence (fossil, anatomical, biochemical or genetic) that any creature did give rise, or could have given rise, to a different creature. In addition, by their absence in the fossil record for (supposed) millions of years along with the fact of their existence during the same time period, many animals such as the coelacanth demonstrate the principle that all creatures could have lived contemporaneously in the past.

No evidence supports the notion that birds evolved from dinosaurs, nor that whales evolved from terrestrial quadrupeds, nor that the human knee joint evolved from a fish pelvic fin. And the critically-positioned amino acids at the active sites within enzymes and structural proteins show that the origination of complex proteins by step-wise modifications of supposed ancestral peptides is impossible. In other words, birds have always been birds, whales have always been whales, apes did not evolve into humans, and humans have always been humans.

But you might protest that it has been proved that we evolved from apes. In fact, the answer is a categorical No. Australopithecines, for example, were simply extinct apes that in a few anatomical areas differed from living apes. If some of them walked bipedally to a greater degree than living apes, this does not constitute evidence that apes evolved into humans - it just means that some ancient apes were different from living apes.


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To: EagleUSA

You've never met my ex-boyfriend!


41 posted on 12/15/2005 9:35:25 AM PST by Hildy (Keyboard warrior princess - typing away for truth, justice and the American way!)
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To: flevit
There is no proof that we evolved from apes. Period

Correct... there's never even been a theory that we evolved from ~apes~ exactly. ;~D

42 posted on 12/15/2005 9:36:09 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: RexBeach
"If we're descended from apes, how come there are still apes?"

The answer is in PatrickHenry's List-O-Links.

43 posted on 12/15/2005 9:37:30 AM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: flevit

BTTT


44 posted on 12/15/2005 9:38:36 AM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: Coyoteman

It is simply not possible to PROVE evolution with fossils.

There are too many counter explainations, and the fossil records don't usually contain a lot of complete skeletons.

The fossils are too old to extract DNA.

There is lots of evidence that can be used to support the theory of evolution. None that proves it.

You can put up pictures of skulls, but those scientific names gave are based on the idea that if it look like a human but different, it must be part of the fossil record showing evolution.

At most they might be able to provide evidence that there was a different species of that more closely resembled humans than apes in the past. They can't prove evolution.

We do not yet have the means to prove evolution, and almost impossible if not impossible to disprove as well. Maybe that will change as we learn more.


45 posted on 12/15/2005 9:39:03 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: ZULU
Take the Bible completely out of the equation and you still have nothing. You don't need the Bible for an argument. I guess somewhere in the basement of the Smithsonian there is tons of proof of evolution but they don't want to show it to us just yet.
46 posted on 12/15/2005 9:40:09 AM PST by fish hawk (creatio ex nihilo)
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To: Coyoteman

Hey, remember, I was a history major! Thanks for the link(s).


47 posted on 12/15/2005 9:40:51 AM PST by RexBeach ("The rest of the world is three drinks behind." -Humphrey Bogart)
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To: Coyoteman

http://www.onesmallspeck.com/chapter%2010%20human%20fossils.html

I would certainly, like to read the who chapter.

the evidence you show are skulls of various forms...

the explination of which shows a timeline of change/relative-ness...above is an alternative explination.


48 posted on 12/15/2005 9:41:12 AM PST by flevit
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To: flevit

"There is no proof that we evolved from apes."

Ever been up close with Teddy Kennedy?


49 posted on 12/15/2005 9:41:26 AM PST by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: flevit

That is probably correct.


50 posted on 12/15/2005 9:42:44 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: highlander_UW
Only a matter of time before a ping and a wave of defenders of the evolution dogma.

If it was intelligent design, how come they didn't get it right the first time?

51 posted on 12/15/2005 9:43:33 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really needed?)
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To: flevit

I always thought it was kind of stupid to fanatically support a world view on the presumption one could reliably reach conclusions about millions year old bone fragments.


52 posted on 12/15/2005 9:43:40 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: Coyoteman

Similarities in structure only constitute "proof" to true believers in the religion of evolution.

Think about it. You can't prove it. You can only suggest it. It is not science. It is speculation. Were you there? Can you reproduce it?


53 posted on 12/15/2005 9:43:41 AM PST by Rocky (Air America: Robbing the poor to feed the Left)
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To: ZULU

So who is the common ancestor and where is the fool proof evidence that it ever existed?

Honest question. I hear all of the time that we share a common ancestor, but nowhere has anyone showed any proof of that.


54 posted on 12/15/2005 9:44:01 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT
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To: oldleft
...swinging from trees was no longer practical. Only animals which could travel long distances at a relatively fast pace could survive. That's why people are bipedal and have incredible endurance compared to other primates.

And that's how the tiger got his stripes. ;-)


55 posted on 12/15/2005 9:44:05 AM PST by DallasMike (Call me Dallasaurus)
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To: phil1750
Humans did not evolve from apes.

Apes and humans share a common ancestor.

Why is that concept difficult to grasp?

56 posted on 12/15/2005 9:45:53 AM PST by Royal Wulff
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To: MindBender26

"Ever been up close with Teddy Kennedy?"
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Nope. I'm not a bartender.


57 posted on 12/15/2005 9:46:55 AM PST by Stark_GOP
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To: Royal Wulff

yes a single celled bacterium like orgaism is your grandfather given enough generations. why stop at an ape like creature?


58 posted on 12/15/2005 9:47:51 AM PST by flevit
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To: fish hawk

"I guess somewhere in the basement of the Smithsonian there is tons of proof of evolution but they don't want to show it to us just yet."

The "proof" is in any basic biology or paleontolgy text.

Its hard to take the Bible out of the argument as most people who object to evolution as an explanation for the origin of complex life base their opposition on the belief that Evolution somehow contradicts the Bible. I don't personally belief that as I am a Christian, believe in the Bible and believe in evolution. Where I part ways with atheists on evolution is that they explain the chain of events that led to modern man as a series of fortuitous accidents. I believe these so-called "accidents" - like the very rules of evolution themselves - were directed by the Hand of God.

I suppose there ARE some people whose opposition to evolution is based on other issues, like disagreement with the facts as presented or interpreted, but I beleive they are in the minority.


59 posted on 12/15/2005 9:48:20 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: flevit

organism, better watch my typos on that one, could get in trouble.


60 posted on 12/15/2005 9:48:43 AM PST by flevit
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