Posted on 05/04/2007 10:51:10 AM PDT by Hal1950
Non answer.
Your theories do not explain the eyewitness facts.
I haven't put forth theories. I've put forth facts. And the facts eliminate a missile. That doesn't require trying to explain what someone may or may not have seen with regard to a streak of light. You can say someone was killed by a bullet because witnesses reported a loud bang, but if the autopsy shows no bullet hole, then I don't need to identify the loud bang to factually conclude that the cause of death was not a gunshot. Very, very basic logic.
Beats me,...
So you think a streak of light might have blown it up. Tinfoil is on sale in aisle six.
You can't tell me, as a self touted missile expert?
Do you even make sense to yourself? I've told you that no missile could have done it. To give you the opportunity to debunk my facts I've asked you to name one that could. You refuse to do so, because you know it will only flag your ignorance.
I don't claim to have the answers. - You do.
That's right I do have answers, and you have provided zip to refute them. Absolutely nothing, despite being provided ample opportunities.
I've had a ~lot~ of amusement seeing you demand that I 'put up'. Get a grip on your ego.
Pathetic, as usual. You are an empty suit. This is what it always comes down to. You have nothing to offer but subterfuge.
Whatever.
Not whatever. You are no different that Rosie and you've been tagged for it. You're a loud mouth that can't back it up. A pattern of behavior that has made you infamous on FR.
You've repeatedly said that you aren't claiming that its a conspiracy. Is your real name Cybil?
You contradicted your own earlier comments:
1. "My wife & I saw the 'party tape' loop being shown on a network satellite feed the night of the incident."
2. "Obviously, if I had the 'cocktail party tape', we would know exactly. It disappeared after being shown a few times many years ago, as has been discussed on many previous threads."
Aside from that, the Linda Kabot photo was taken at a party.
No video of a streak has ever surfaced, much less been shown on TV - none! You have amply demonstrated that your have no irrefutable evidence to the contrary.
A man falls dead while crossing the street. Some people say they heard a loud noise at roughly the same time. After hearing about the reports of a loud noise, more people claim they heard a gunshot.
An autopsy is performed and the cause of death is determined to have been a stroke. There is no external trauma to the body and definitely no bullet hole or bullet.
The coroner files a report and lists the cause of death as having been caused by a stroke. No where in his report does he explain where the loud noise came from.
Tpaine insists that big bro failed to properly investigate the noise. When asked why there is no bullet hole and what kind of gun could kill without a bullet, Tpaine insists that he doesn’t have to answer such questions, and that the person inquiring is covering up for big bro.
TP would never even check to see if the guy had a brother and for some reason unknown to all of us, try and shift the blame to big sister. This would not make sense to you or me but it would to him.
Maybe.
I haven't put forth theories. I've put forth facts. And the facts eliminate a missile.
Many here at FR have disputed your 'facts'. You're incapable of admitting that, poor fella.
That doesn't require trying to explain what someone may or may not have seen with regard to a streak of light. You can say someone was killed by a bullet because witnesses reported a loud bang, but if the autopsy shows no bullet hole, then I don't need to identify the loud bang to factually conclude that the cause of death was not a gunshot. Very, very basic logic.
You have a very odd conception of logic, as many here have noted over the years.
So you think a streak of light might have blown it up. Tinfoil is on sale in aisle six. Do you even make sense to yourself? I've told you that no missile could have done it. To give you the opportunity to debunk my facts I've asked you to name one that could. You refuse to do so, because you know it will only flag your ignorance.
Others here have debunked your 'facts/opinions/theories' ad nauseum over the course of many threads.
I've had a ~lot~ of amusement seeing you demand that I 'put up'. Get a grip on your ego.
Pathetic, as usual. You are an empty suit. This is what it always comes down to. You have nothing to offer but subterfuge.
Whatever. - I see you offering nothing but your 'pathetic' comments.
Not whatever. You are no different that Rosie and you've been tagged for it. You're a loud mouth that can't back it up. A pattern of behavior that has made you infamous on FR.
You too are becoming infamous for your blind support of the gov't line.
The more I think of this analogy the better I like it.
A man falls dead while crossing the street. [a plane explodes & crashes] Some people say they heard a loud noise [or saw a steak of light head for the plane] at roughly the same time. After hearing about the reports of a loud noise, more people claim they heard a gunshot. [a tape of the streak is broadcast, and many see it]
An autopsy is performed and the cause of death is determined to have been a stroke. There is no external trauma to the body and definitely no bullet hole or bullet.
[ An investigation is performed and the cause is determined to have been a explosion. There is massive trauma to the airframe allowing no definitive judgment as to the cause.]
The coroner files a report and lists the cause of death as having been caused by a stroke. No where in his report does he explain where the loud noise came from.
[The gov't files a report and lists the cause as having been caused by an explosion. No where in this report does it explain where the streak of light came from.]
Tpaine [& many others] insists that big bro failed to properly investigate [eyewitness testimony] the noise.
When asked why there is no bullet [missile] hole and what kind of [missile] gun could kill without a [hole] bullet, Tpaine [& many others] insists that he doesn't have to answer such questions, [ because of massive damage] and that the person inquiring is covering up for big bro. [ Why is the person inquiring insisting that we all agree with big bro?]
Weird joke of an 'analogy'.
You mean, "An analogy of a weird joke."
As usual, you decline to point out any faults, you just pretend that dismissing someone will diminish their point.
The test of an argument's strength is the ability to defend it. You are so aware of the weakness of your argument that you won't even attempt to defend it. And you've forfeited our invitations to challenge our facts.
You've yet to scrutinize ANYTHING that has been stated. Instead you feebly insist that it doesn't matter, like anyone is buying your act.
Lack of a bullet hole is a serious argument against death by gunfire, even if the person was run over by a truck. The same applies to airplanes and missiles. Its not like they failed to locate the wreckage.
Not on this thread they haven't. And you most certainly haven't. And besides you make a statement that relies on me trusting your word. I don't. If you think my facts are wrong you're going to have to come up with something more than a pathetic statement that my facts are in dispute because someone somewhere disagrees.
You have a very odd conception of logic, as many here have noted over the years.
Weak attempt at turning the tables. It is you not I that carries baggage around FR.
Others here have debunked your 'facts/opinions/theories' ad nauseum over the course of many threads.
I have only the word of an admitted liar for that. But if true you could surely come up with a single argument against just one of them, but you can't. So it must not be true. You can't even answer a single question about your own assertions. Being too scared or inept to defend your own positions while simultaneously continuing the blustering loud mouth routine is pathetic.
Whatever
You keep saying that. Its as close to an argument as you've gotten.
You too are becoming infamous for your blind support of the gov't line.
"Infamous" requires more than the thoughts of you and your imaginary friend folding tinfoil in your basement. Your posts on the other hand always garner dozens of TP related emails.
We're over 200 posts in and you haven't materially challenged anything I've posted, nor have you answered a single question.
If you refuse to challenge my points and you won't defend your's, why do you continue to post? Are you really that lonely? Get a dog.
You sure are raising a lot of fuss trying to rebut what ~only you~ see as an inability to defend my position.
You are so aware of the weakness of your argument that you won't even attempt to defend it.
The eyewitness position I'm defending is so strong that the gov't/CIA first went to great lengths to explain it away; -- then, having failed, they've decided to ignore it. -- Why this drives you so nuts will no doubt remain a mystery.
And you've forfeited our invitations to challenge our facts.
Sorry but your 'invitations' have proved to be little more than to a flame fest party.
TP has stated that he has defended his position. Can we have a show of hands here? I've yet to see one of his posts that materially challenges my statements or supports his. Its all empty assertion.
But as he has spoken for everyone, can anyone come to TP's defense and name that post?
Sorry but your 'invitations' have proved to be little more than to a flame fest party.
Perhaps you should stop soaking yourself in gasoline, while insisting that fire isn't really hot.
You ask:
"-- Can we have a show of hands here? --"
Silence is your answer S-man; ~only you~ see me as unable to defend my position. Poor you.
Actually, it was as show of hands to support you nitwit.
And yes, silence is the answer.
Actually, it was as show of hands to support you nitwit.
And yes, silence is the answer.
Poor you, unsupported again.
I’m not sure you’re even sane. You exist in an alternate universe where up means down and down means up. You have no idea what constitutes a debate, and to top it all off, you are annoying beyond belief.
I asked if anyone could or would support you. No one did. You take that as a victory. Take your medication.
The only thing you have is the persistence of a bad virus.
You lose every time you enter a thread, generally within the first three posts, but then you continue, and continue, and continue, refusing to acknowledge reality.
Get professional help before its too late.
Silence = no one coming to your defense TP. Do get help.
Do you agree or disagree with Swordmaker?
You don't? -- If not why not? -- What's your point?
You don't? -- If not why not? -- What's your point?"
Faret & Wendell's report includes the following addendum:
We do not dispute the fact that something happened at 13,800 feet, but what happened after that. There is 5000 feet unaccounted for. We would like to emphasize: We approached the black-gray smoke cloud on the west side. We were at 7700 feet and were at the top edge of the cloud. The cloud center was at 7500 feet. There were 2 small bumps atop it. There was no smoke or smoke trails above it. It was still lit up a little by the sun, clear above. We don’t know why this has never been discussed in any scenarios.
Can you explain why?
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