Posted on 11/15/2008 6:48:02 PM PST by palmer
It's apparent that a combination of fervent believers and a small number of psychopaths and/or infiltrators have dominated the birth certificate discussion. The early evidence was in their favor and everyone should have been skeptical of the low res images on Kos, smears and politifact. The new evidence is not and is not being addressed objectively.
But photo #5 (and some of the others) is a genuine photograph of an artifact. It was not created in photoshop. That doesn't mean photoshop was not involved. A plausible set of steps is
1. Scan a real COLB including the border
2. Import into photoshop and change the text to Obama's text
3. Print the result onto the cross hatched paper (could be forged separately)
4. Obtain a embossing seal and apply it to the printout 5. Fold it as if it came from an envelope and display it to the factcheck photographer.
Another plausible scenario is someone in the Hawaii office did all the forging but on the official equipment and using the official seal. Another possibility is someone stole a seal and sold it to a forger. It is certainly possible for a forger to make a seal using the right equipment (probably a laser etcher).
The Kenya trip meme seemed to turn into an established fact in early July when proposed by null and void and properly ridiculed. Even into November null and void can only repeat her hypothesis (a honeymoon) apparently unwilling or unable to embellish it further.
Polarik surrounds himself with a number of true believers and useful idiots. The useful idiots are the ones who validate or praise his analysis while obviously not knowing anything about it. The true believers have convinced themselves that Obama was not born in Honolulu and are unable to evaluate the evidence objectively.
In their favor, the true believers have established that Obama has potential Indonesian citizenship (courtesy of Soetoro) as well as potential Kenyan citizenship (courtesy of Obama Sr). These are true regardless of where Obama was born. For the former the Kenyan citizenship would have to be activated by Obama. For the latter, Soetoro would have had to apply to make Obama an Indonesian citizen, it does not happen automatically via adoption.
The bottom line for Polarik is he has yet to address the certificate linked above. He has promised to do this for weeks now and is instead disseminating and repeating his various diatribes against Obama. My guess based on his past behavior is that he will release a rehash of the evidence against the old scan (Kos, smears, politifact) with a bit of new verbiage against the factcheck photos. He will properly point out some oddities in some of the photos while ignoring the obvious salient features in the decent photos such as number 5.
He and I have already argued about the seal (embossing) in number 5 and he claims it is a perfect circle (therefore forged). I showed that it wasn't http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq51/palmer2/circle.jpg and he replied with a very similar result except he used some edge detection first. He obviously just fools with some tools, but doesn't obtain any useful results. When it comes to image analysis he is a dabbler, not an expert.
With cover from his defenders he establishes a "sensitive" personality claiming that he is being ruthlessly attacked. He says that as a result he will stop posting on the certificate issue when he is done with his final writeup. I don't know if that's a real sensitivity or faked, but even if it is faked there are thousands more that will step into his shoes if he disappears.
That thread and others contain useful nuggets about other Obama problems. There are alternative threads that speak to real evidence although some of those get beaten down by the Polarik army. Polarik's followers also use Freepmail to spread gossip about posters like myself and allegedly (according to them) posted about me on another forum.
That is all good. The more publicity I get on this particular issue, the better. But I remain concerned that FreeRepublic will have the appearance of a conspiracy site because only a rather intensive conspiracy could produce the evidence photographed by Factcheck.
I am also concerned that Factcheck and others might be deliberately planting poor quality evidence in an attempt to hook in the Polariks of the world and their followers. That would not necessarily require a conspiracy although I admit it has the flavor of one. It is to the liberal opposition's benefit to keep as many people on false trails as possible not just to waste their time but to portray them as unhinged. That result was detrimental in the last election and will be detrimental in 2010 and 2012.
IMO of course.
"666?" Sure..
You got it.
Aw. how sweet? Now that I have the nuts, I’ll be happy to send your shells right back at ya!
You're a janitor in a hospital?
You said — “This birth certificate nonsense is fool’s bait.”
Well, if that’s true and it’s simply “fool’s bait” — then Obama is quite the fool, too for spending hundreds of thousands of dollars in several different courts around the country — all the while trying to prevent anyone from seeing the original birth certificate.
If that’s the kind of President that we will have (soon) in January, then we’ve got an idiot for a President, who apparently thinks it’s a wise thing and an efficient and effective thing to spend all those hundreds of thousands of dollars for all those court cases — instead of — simply spending about $5 or $10 for a certified original copy — and show everyone... LOL...
Mike In The Morning Calls The Kenyan Embassy {Statue Erected to Honor Obama’s Kenyan Birth}
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2135992/posts
Looking at this image, it appears that the type in the middle section, (especially names, etc.) is not photographic.
That is to say, the print appears to have been digitally superimposed on the digital image of the photo. If this was done, then the forger would have used a form with those particular spaces left blank. This print is of such a dark quality, that it just looks entirely faked to me.
Also...
Even though the middle portion of the folded document is in shadow in the photo, and the letters are in black "ink", there should be some slight reflectivity to those letters, but there isn't. They're as inky black as this bold print, which is digital, and cannot reflect light.
In all fairness, the type on the lower third looks to be far more photographic, i.e., as if it were already imprinted on the paper when the photo was taken, though upon close inspection, it appears that color manipulation could account for that.
Granted, I'm not an expert document analyst, but I've got clear enough eyesight to spot these inconsistencies.
Anyone else notice this?
Who checks the facts on Factcheck.org?
I pointed out the tactics of the BC truthers because it doesn't look good to cross post to other forums. Nor does it look good to post misinformation which they also admitted to. This thread is the sum total of my "bad behavior" on this topic. I named names and made accusations and those still stand. But I have not engaged in any backchannel gossip or other such activities.
Here you say that your fears were unfounded in retrospect.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3963143/posts?page=54#54
But ours were NOT. The republic was lost due to Berg vs. Obama.
You were full of shiite back then and you’re full of it even now.
It is people like you who caused us to luze our republic; it is an oligarchy now.
We are losing the republic because people don't want to deal with the real world of ballot stuffing, and the newly created harvesting and other mail-in fraud in the last election. Instead they find a new Polarik or two to create long drivelous videos about Dominion vote counting machines that don't do what Frank says they do. Or Dr. Shiva whose downward sloping curve "proof" of voting machine fraud is obviously wrong since Biden votes show the same curve. The Frank theory is obviously wrong, the counting machines only count anonymous ballots, so they can't adjust votes based on any kind of demographics.
Don't know if you subscribe to either or both (they are contradictory) theories. Nor do I care. I simply point out crap whenever I come across it. It's my job as an engineer.
Or they just hire disinformation operatives like you.
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