Can FreeRepublic be salvaged? (Birth Cerificate)

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[tomkat]

.. but that and $1 will get you a hot apple pie at Mickey D's.

Actually, $1 will get you two hot apple pies !

What a country ehh ? !

(at least til 20Jan)

[Polarik]

In the case of photo #5, the piece of paper that was photographed existed in the real world in the form that we see in the photo. There is a possibility that the photo was subsequently altered, but that's not easy to do (unlike with a low res scan). Your theory was originally that the photo we saw was substantially different from the object in reality. You proposed that the seal could be photoshopped on which is basically impossible. You said it was perfectly round and it wasn't.

No, nothing existed in the real world. The Seal should not have been even close to round, but it was because it's bogus. The paper is not real, either. None of the Seals are real. None of them. They do not exist in reality.

I've got a real, paper COLB. I have seen it. I have touched it. I have held it up to the light. I have scanned it at five different resolutions. I have photographed it under six different lighting, and in the same positions that the allegedly "real" COLBs were photographed.

The Seals are what is impossible. They do not exist on any 2007 COLB, period. They are all bogus -- especially on #5.

It does not matter one iota how they got where they are because they were never there to begin with. No way. No how. All of the Seals all bogus and do not exist on real world, 2007 COLBs.

I do not have to waste my time trying to figure out how these nonexistent Seals were made to appear on allegedly paper COLBs, because the COLB's themselves are not real, paper COLBs. They are printouts. They are cobbled together from different parts. They also appear on paper that looks totally different from what is actually used for a 2007 COLB.

So, unless you have a real 2007 COLB (actually more than one), and have worked with it as I have, then you have absolutely nothing whatsoever to say here.

Youwant something specific? I'll bet you that the Seal on photo #5 is totally bogus. It should not be there. It does not exist. So, are you going to take the bet or give some stupid excuse like I have to tell you how a nonexistent Seal was put there?

And, no, there will not be any "updating" because, like I said, I fed you disinformation on how the Seal was "engraved" and how it was "Photoshopped." It does not matter how they got there anymore than your post explains how you got on FR.

[SunkenCiv]

thanks LucyT.

and thanks The Spirit Of Allegiance for:

A amazing video that speaks for itself.
www,youtube.com | July 29, 2008 | machosauceproduction
Posted on 11/15/2008 6:12:26 PM PST by djandcj
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2132867/posts

[tomkat]

Welllllcome to FR

[dervish]

With fighters like you I’m not sure the Republic, let alone Free Republic, can be saved.

I’m also not ready to write Alan Keyes off as a nut.

Further, you claim your intent was to improve the argument. One doesn’t title the thread the way you have with that intent.

Finally it is you who have the real conspiracy bent by suggesting that the whole Birth Certificate question is being driven by “psychopaths and/or infiltrators.” Paranoid much?

[dervish]

excellently argued.

[Freedom56v2]

Hey newbie why should we “trust you”?! Just cause Hillary did not bring it up does not mean there is not justification for review. there is no set process for vetting senators let alone senators.

[John Valentine]

So right.

[STARWISE]

Ping ~!

http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2008/11/15/find-out-whether-barack-obama-is-a-natural-born-citizen-as-required-under-article-ii-of-the-us-constitution-and-stop-the-electoral-college-from-voting-for-him-if-he-is-not/

[LucyT]

Thank you, STARWISE.

A Midnight Ping. Please check out the link posted at #449. Stop the electoral college from voting for 0 if he is not a natural born citizen.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2132879/posts?page=449#449

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

Time is short...

[Red Steel]

Hawaii stepped up to plate and sealed his Birth Certificate and stated he was born in Hawaii close to the election, it was on the news. The officials in Hawaii defended the birth certificate from Hawaii, and this issue is dead. The governor of Hawaii is Republican and friend of Sarah Palin, so if this was truly issue of being born somewhere else...she would have stood up and defended it. They need to give this issue up, it’s a non starter.

What Lingle has said:

"She said voting for Obama would put the safety of the country’s children in the “hands of someone we hardly know.” (She also added that despite Obama’s touting he is from Hawaii, she has never met him and he has “never called me on the phone.”)"

Title: "Hawaii governor says nation wouldn’t be safe under Obama (says Obama "touts" he is from Hawaii)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2107808/posts

Lingle does have reservations about his origin.

[palmer]

And, no, there will not be any "updating" because, like I said, I fed you disinformation on how the Seal was "engraved" and how it was "Photoshopped."

You never told me anything privately, so how many other people have you fed disinformation to?

[Non-Sequitur]

However, he was born with dual citizenship. The framers of the Constitution grandfathered themselves into Article II, Section 1 so that any of them could be president, but Obama cannot do that. Therefore, he cannot be a natural-born citizen.

According to the 14th Amendment and applicable laws he certainly can.

[reasonisfaith]

“you’all are wasting your time”

If we’re wasting our time, you’re doubly wasting your time in responding.

Why would you do such a thing?

[reasonisfaith]

“Youwant something specific? I’ll bet you that the Seal on photo #5 is totally bogus. It should not be there. It does not exist. So, are you going to take the bet or give some stupid excuse like I have to tell you how a nonexistent Seal was put there?”

Palmer, if you have no adequate answer to this, it shows how your argument is defeated by the details.

[usmcobra]

Amendment XIV

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Since you constantly bring up the 14 amendment as reason why Obama is a Natural Born American citizen, I had to double check to see if it used the words natural born in it, it doesn't....

However Curiously there is a portion of section 3 I believe directing relates to Senator Obama. William Ayers as a member of the Weather Underground declared War against this country and to this day insist he is working towards the eventual overthrow of this government from within and that he hasn't done enough.

Of course I realize that the 14 Amendment was written to address The Cvil War and as such may be "invalid" when it comes to the aid and comfort Senator Obama has given over the years to the leaders of the Weather Underground (Ayers and Dohrn) the fact remains that any support he has given to them in the form of earmarks goes against The Oath he took to defend this country and the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic and as such requires a vote of two thirds of each house of congress (The House and the Senate) to remove such a disability preventing him from being president.

[Scythian]

I predict this thread will get 10,000 posts ... Kind of like the TV Show * MASH * that ran longer than the actual war.

[usmcobra]

Gee yeah think?