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KERRY DISCHARGE - THE JIMMY CARTER LEGACY CONTINUES
MARK.SULLIVAN@CALAWCOUNSEL.COM | OTCOBER 29, 2004 | CAP'T DONALD L. NELSON,JAGC,USNR (Ret)

Posted on 10/30/2004 8:38:30 AM PDT by CHARLITE

Subject: KERRY DISCHARGE - THE JIMMY CARTER LEGACY CONTINUES

Words of Captain Donald L. Nelson, JAG corps USN ret I was on active duty as a U.S. Navy JAG when all of this was going on 25 to 30 years ago, and so was Mark F. Sullivan, who at all relevant times was the personal JAG to J. William Middendorf, then the Secretary of the Navy.

We are trying to break this absolutely true story nationwide, i.e., Fox News, C-Span, and hopefully the major networks. We are positive that John Kerry was one of those dishonorably dismissed from the Navy for collaborating with the Viet Cong after he was released from active duty but still in the Navy and for a totally unauthorized trip to Hanoi. He later got an "honorable" separation in 1978, some 12 years after joining the Navy, under President Carter's "Amnesty Program" for draft dodgers, deserters, and other malcontents who fled to Canada and Holland, among other places, to avoid military service to our country.

This is why he has refused, and continues to refuse, to release all of his Navy records: they reflect that he was Dishonorably Dismissed from the United States Naval Service. If they do not (which they do) he would have released them to the public. Again, he has not done so, because he well knows that the truth would kill his challenge to President Bush. If you would like to talk with me, I may be reached at telephone number (925) 964-0943 in Danville, California, or at DLNelsonSF@msn.com. Contact information for CAPT Sullivan is below.

Sincerely, DONALD L. NELSON CAPT, JAGC, USNR (Ret.)

Mark F. Sullivan Sullivan Taketa LLP 31351 Via Colinas, Suite 205 Westlake Village, CA 91362-4576 Tel. (818) 889-2299 mark.sullivan@calawcounsel.com


TOPICS: Government; History; Military/Veterans; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: discharge; jimmycarter; johnkerry; kerry; military
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1 posted on 10/30/2004 8:38:31 AM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE
President Carter's "Amnesty Program" for draft dodgers, deserters, and other malcontents who fled to Canada and Holland, among other places, to avoid military service to our country.

It disgusted me at the time. It still disgusts me today.

2 posted on 10/30/2004 8:41:58 AM PDT by BenLurkin (We have low inflation and and low unemployment.)
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To: CHARLITE

I would like to know Senator Kerry's answers to these questions. I would be very displeased to know that he was hiding this information from the citizens of the United Sates, intentionally, just so he could "play President".


3 posted on 10/30/2004 8:45:05 AM PDT by bitt (F'n, Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?)
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To: CHARLITE

sKERRY IS A TRAITOR...AND HATES OUR MILITARY....WHEN HE LOSES ELECTION...HE NEEDS TO MOVE TO FRANCE!!!


4 posted on 10/30/2004 8:45:12 AM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: BenLurkin

I was unaware of the timing here- and had forgotten Carter's amnesty program til this reminder. If this turns out to be true and accurate.............Holy S@%T!!!!!!!

But if there were those behind the scenes who have known this all along...how could this have been kept under wraps throughout this entire election season??? God knows there are plenty of FBI and CIA agents willing to sell the president out- though Porter Goss will shortly change part of that equation...


5 posted on 10/30/2004 8:48:56 AM PDT by SE Mom (Happy RedSox Republican!)
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To: SE Mom

You just asked MY question. Why now? Why so late?


6 posted on 10/30/2004 9:03:59 AM PDT by EggsAckley (........my Birthday is on Election Day.......Should I post a Vanity??.........)
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To: SE Mom

I am scared to death that if Kerry wins the election (by voter fraud) the press whom I would be surprised to learn doesn't know about this, will TELL us once it's too late because they will want to prove once and for all how powerful they are and how powerless the citizenry is. I don't think there's anything that could be done to change the outcome if this $%#^&*($%%#$ has been pardoned.


7 posted on 10/30/2004 9:04:35 AM PDT by penowa
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To: CHARLITE

"We are positive..."

But do you have proof that will withstand scrutiny.

Oh, I'm sorry - John Effin Kerry needs to sign a form 180 for us to have that!


8 posted on 10/30/2004 9:55:42 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: CHARLITE
I'm a retired Army officer. It was always my understanding that a dishonorable discharge could be adjudged only by a general court martial after conviction. Since Kerry was never court-martialed, how could he have received a DD? Could not have. A JAGC officer surely knows this! If Kerry received a discharge that was later upgraded, it could have been a General Discharge of a Discharge Under Other Than Honorable Conditions, I suppose. Absent a court martial, these discharges, or an Honorable Discharge, are the only ones an officer may receive absent judicial proceedings. They are not the same as a DD. Precise language is important in talking about these things. But I await really convincing evidence of this claim. At any rate, the news will not affect the election even if it is true.
9 posted on 10/30/2004 10:04:41 AM PDT by dsensing (Donald Sensing)
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To: CHARLITE

I just spoke with Mark. They are putting together a couple more pieces and actively working on this story. Let's hope it is breaking big. Drudge will lead the way and force people to talk about it.


10 posted on 10/30/2004 10:09:57 AM PDT by doug from upland (Michael Moore = a culinary Pinocchio ---- tell a lie, gain a pound.)
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To: CHARLITE

I just left a message for Capt. Nelson. Let's hope Drudge breaks this on the radio on Sunday night.


11 posted on 10/30/2004 10:13:29 AM PDT by doug from upland (Michael Moore = a culinary Pinocchio ---- tell a lie, gain a pound.)
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To: doug from upland
from swiftvets forum:

Several of us contacted Mr. Sullivan when Mr. Nelson's E-Mail first broke. Mr. Sulllivan replied that he was working soley with Thomas Lipscomb on this subject.

12 posted on 10/30/2004 1:23:14 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: doug from upland
from swiftvets forum:

Several of us contacted Mr. Sullivan when Mr. Nelson's E-Mail first broke. Mr. Sulllivan replied that he was working soley with Thomas Lipscomb on this subject.

13 posted on 10/30/2004 1:23:18 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: rocklobster11

Yes, Mark had told me that but I didn't know if he wanted me to mention it. I look for Lipscomb to be on Drudge. He should be on shows all day long on Monday.


14 posted on 10/30/2004 1:26:05 PM PDT by doug from upland (Michael Moore = a culinary Pinocchio ---- tell a lie, gain a pound.)
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To: doug from upland

I also saw a thread yesterday from someone who contacted Lipscomb, and he said that he did not yet have the info that NavyChief was talking about.


15 posted on 10/30/2004 1:27:40 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: bitt
I would like to know Senator Kerry's answers to these questions.

Asked, and answered recently on a TV interview.

Kerry said, "I do not know how they would come up with that, as My records are NOT public."

The statement was in response to a question about his IQ tests, but the answer would be the same in every case.

16 posted on 10/30/2004 1:28:22 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: rocklobster11

me

At that time at least, he did not have NC's info.

But, he could have the info from these couple folks. I did not ask him about them.


17 posted on 10/30/2004 1:29:46 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: CHARLITE

Thanks. I knew he was discharged under the Carter "pardon legislation", I simply wasn't aware of any details. Someone is going to break the facts soon.


18 posted on 10/30/2004 1:31:59 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection (www.whatyoucrave.com)
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To: dsensing
I have not seen anyone saying specifically that the discharge was Dishonorable.

I believe the gist of it is a General, or a General under less that honorable conditions.

My guess is a General.

19 posted on 10/30/2004 1:32:43 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: CHARLITE

"are positive that John Kerry was one of those dishonorably dismissed from the Navy for collaborating with the Viet Cong after he was released from active duty but still in the Navy and for a totally unauthorized trip to Hanoi."

Kerry never went to Hanoi. At least not while the VN war was still going on.

I'm sure they meant Paris. But it is kind of sloppy for a JAG to write such things.

This JAG has also claimed elsewhere that Carter's EO pardoning draft evaders would have helped Kerry. Of course it would not have been relevant to Kerry's case.

http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/carter_proclamation.htm

Makes you wonder, sorry to say.


20 posted on 10/30/2004 1:33:37 PM PDT by Manny Ortiz
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To: CHARLITE

bttt


21 posted on 10/30/2004 1:34:44 PM PDT by cgk (I'll keep posting it until you READ IT. Pay attention!)
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To: penowa
Big deal..No one cares, just as they did not care that Clinton got blow jobs in the oval office..

The moron voters who vote Dimowit, are pathetic
22 posted on 10/30/2004 1:35:53 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Cold Heat

The story yesterday was that it was "Other than Honorable", which is below General and above Dishonorable


23 posted on 10/30/2004 1:36:04 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
" I knew he was discharged under the Carter "pardon legislation""

Just how would Kerrys (traitorous and probably illegal) anti-war activities been pardoned by Carter's EO? Here it is:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE                                                   JANUARY 21, 1977


Office of the White House Press Secretary
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THE WHITE HOUSE

GRANTING PARDON FOR VIOLATIONS
OF THE SELECTIVE SERVICE ACT,
AUGUST 4, 1964 TO MARCH 28, 1973

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BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
A PROCLAMATION

Acting pursuant to the grant of authority in Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution of the United States, I, Jimmy Carter, President of the United States, do hereby grant a full, complete and unconditional pardon to: (1) all persons who may have committed any offense between August 4, 1964 and March 28, 1973 in violation of the Military Selective Service Act or any rule or regulation promulgated thereunder; and (2) all persons heretofore convicted, irrespective of the date of conviction, of any offense committed between August 4, 1964 and March 28, 1973 in violation of the Military Selective Service Act, or any rule or regulation promulgated thereunder, restoring to them full political, civil and other rights.

This pardon does not apply to the following who are specifically excluded therefrom:

(1) All persons convicted of or who may have committed any offense in violation of the Military Selective Service Act, or any rule or regulation promulgated thereunder, involving force or violence; and

(2) All persons convicted of or who may have committed any offense in violation of the Military Selective Service Act, or any rule or regulation promulgated thereunder, in connection with duties or responsibilities arising out of employment as agents, officers or employees of the Military Selective Service system.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this 21st day of January, in the year of our Lord nineteen
hundred and seventy-seven, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and first.

JIMMY CARTER          

#   #   #

Executive Order

 

I really think this dishonorable discharge thing is a red herring. And it has been shot down so many times it is starting to look like it was intended to be a distraction.

24 posted on 10/30/2004 1:36:40 PM PDT by Manny Ortiz
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To: rocklobster11
Sure, maybe so.

The media of any stature will not touch this prior to the election. It is too late IMO.

The facts are not yet of evidenciary nature, and without them it is all speculation.

Good enough for a republican, but not a poor democrat. LOL!

My hopes have been unfortunately dashed, on this issue making breaking news prior to the election. It will become a fodder for later however.

25 posted on 10/30/2004 1:42:45 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: Manny Ortiz
Yes, we know all that. That is not the point.

The original discharge would destroy what vet support he has, and make a difference.

Sure, Carter did pardon him, but the offense committed also makes him inelligable for public office, according to the rules.

These are the issues, and both are important, regardless of the pardon by EO.

26 posted on 10/30/2004 1:47:01 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: Cold Heat

I don't think you read my post. I don't believe Kerry was pardoned under Carter's EO.

I believe this story is a red herring and that Kerry actually got an honorable discharge. We haven't seen any proof to the contrary.

That this story has been so heavily promoted without any factual documentation is suspect. Kerry has so many other problems.

Heck the Football Fans For Truth story on all of his bone-headed remarks and outright lies (such as running the Boston Marathon) is more effective.

If their info got half as much time as this non-story has gotten Kerry would be hurting (more).


27 posted on 10/30/2004 1:54:06 PM PDT by Manny Ortiz
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To: Manny Ortiz
Carters EO was used for much more than was intended.

Depends on the meaning of "is".

At the time, it was viewed as a general amnesty, and the numbers of people who took advantage of this was not known and intentionally hidden.

It is certainly understood that anyone punished under the previous laws were concidered, and the decision was made by a board.

28 posted on 10/30/2004 1:59:59 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: Manny Ortiz
This was supposed to be the October surprise, but I believe the witnesses were intimidated and refused to play at the last minute.

That only leaves accusations, and that is not enough.

29 posted on 10/30/2004 2:02:41 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: Cold Heat

It leaves undisclosed papers.


30 posted on 10/30/2004 2:03:56 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection (www.whatyoucrave.com)
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To: Manny Ortiz
half as much time as this non-story

This story has gone noplace. No media has picked it up, except bloggers and Lipscomb.

It never went anywhere.

31 posted on 10/30/2004 2:05:08 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Hmmmmmm......I wish!

The one paper needed, a copy of the original DD-214 remains protected under privacy law.

This will not change, and anyone who comes up with it will be prosecuted, unless they can claim whistle blower status, and that is a real risky proposition.

I for one am puttin it on the back burner until after the election.

Then we shall see, as time will be plentiful.

32 posted on 10/30/2004 2:09:38 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: Cold Heat

The liberals attempted to make a case out of a few months. How many years are we considering in Kerry's case?


33 posted on 10/30/2004 2:13:35 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection (www.whatyoucrave.com)
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To: Manny Ortiz
. . . any rule or regulation promulgated thereunder . . .

THAT provides a lot of wiggle room.

34 posted on 10/30/2004 2:19:49 PM PDT by LibWhacker (Got a flu shot shortage? You can thank Kerry's running mate.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
The libs started very early on Bush.

I am afraid Kerry looks like he got a pass, until it became clear that he was not releasing records.

Clinton Judges also participated to help the libs against Bush.

We still have much to do to level that playing field.

I don't like it, but it actually was worse a few years ago.

35 posted on 10/30/2004 2:20:07 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: Cold Heat

The word directly from NC is that the discharge was "less than honorable" for an officer that's similar to what is now called an "undesirable" discharge for an enlisted man.

From a political perspective it shouldn't make a lot of difference as the cause was his collusion the NVC (North Vietnamese Communists).

Lipscomb's article is going to be key. I'm told NC was shut down by him for leaking the story too early. That's why the thread was pulled from Swiftvets yesterday. Also, Swiftvets Leadership stood down the planned Rally for Sunday for similar reasons.

If you do a little research you'll find out who the only living SecNav from the era could be. Putting some pressure on him outside of the Swiftvet umbrella may help.


36 posted on 10/30/2004 2:28:55 PM PDT by ASPB RiverRat
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To: ASPB RiverRat

Paul R. Ignatius...............................1 Sep 19 - 24 Jan 1969
John H. Chafee...............................31 Jan 1969 - 4 May 1972
John W. Warner.............................4 May 1972 - 8 Apr 1974
J. William Middendorf....................8 Apr 1974 - 20 Jan 1977
W. Graham Claytor, Jr...................14 Feb 1977 - 24 Aug 1979
Edward Hidalgo..............................24 Oct 1979 - 20 Jan 1981
John Lehman..................................5 Feb 1981 - 10 Apr 1987
James H. Webb............................. 1 May 1987 - 23 Feb 1988
William L. Ball............................... 28 Mar 1988 - 15 May 1989


37 posted on 10/30/2004 2:36:35 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: cgk

bttt


38 posted on 10/30/2004 2:47:29 PM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (out of the sun)
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To: All

Please note that Sullivan is tied to a former Sec of the Nav......perhaps the guy that NavyChief thought he had.

(chief is saying a lot of pressure is being exerted behind the scenes that has caused him to stand down)


39 posted on 10/30/2004 2:49:13 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: Cold Heat

The libs started very early on Bush's record because they knew that this was coming. Premptive smear campaign.


40 posted on 10/30/2004 2:51:13 PM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (out of the sun)
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To: CHARLITE

Why doesn't someone in the press just point blank ask Kerry?

silly me....never mind.


41 posted on 10/30/2004 2:53:12 PM PDT by Samwise (Proud to be a Security Mom married to a NASCAR Dad)
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To: CHARLITE; WestCoastGal; Fierce Allegiance; aynrandfreak; housewife101; mnehrling; rrrod; ...
This is why he has refused, and continues to refuse, to release all of his Navy records: they reflect that he was Dishonorably Dismissed from the United States Naval Service. If they do not (which they do) he would have released them to the public. Again, he has not done so, because he well knows that the truth would kill his challenge to President Bush.
42 posted on 10/30/2004 3:46:03 PM PDT by SheLion ( Rove knew that sKerry was a man that stood for nothing and therefore would fall for anything.)
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To: CHARLITE
Brokaw interview with Kerry. Interesting response to military records question.

Brokaw: Someone has analyzed the President's military aptitude tests and yours, and concluded that he has a higher IQ than you do.

Kerry: That's great. More power. I don't know how they've done it, because my record is not public. So I don't know where you're getting that from

43 posted on 10/30/2004 3:48:41 PM PDT by SheLion ( Rove knew that sKerry was a man that stood for nothing and therefore would fall for anything.)
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To: Samwise
Why doesn't someone in the press just point blank ask Kerry?


It was asked (sorta), in 1971-2 in an interview.

Host -- "was there ever a question of a dishonorable discharge"?
Kerry -- "No, there was no question".

A non-denial denial.
44 posted on 10/30/2004 3:52:36 PM PDT by Jackson Brown
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To: bitt
I would like to know Senator Kerry's answers to these questions.

Wouldn't we all, for him running to be OUR world representative gives us the reason to to know who would be representing us.

45 posted on 10/30/2004 4:00:21 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: SheLion
Thanks for the pingaling SheLion!! : )
46 posted on 10/30/2004 4:01:14 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: EGPWS
Wouldn't we all, for him running to be OUR world representative gives us the reason to to know who would be representing us.

I'm sure this has been sent to Sean Hannity over and over, yet he never brings it out as well. I just can't understand it. Someone has a stronghold on this story!

47 posted on 10/30/2004 4:05:29 PM PDT by SheLion ( Rove knew that sKerry was a man that stood for nothing and therefore would fall for anything.)
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To: EGPWS
Thanks for the pingaling SheLion!! : )

You're welcome. I thought I killed the thread. :(

48 posted on 10/30/2004 4:06:09 PM PDT by SheLion ( Rove knew that sKerry was a man that stood for nothing and therefore would fall for anything.)
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To: doug from upland
Doug from upland,

Is this a "less than honorable" discharge? What exactly is the verbage. I understand that it is different from a dishonorable discharge. See post #9 by dsensing.

I know you guys will get this right. I just want to know what the different kinds of discharges other than honorable there are and which one Kerry was given. The more and more I think about Kerry, his activities, etc... and his NOT signing the 180, the more I am convinced that his discharge was NOT HONORABLE.
49 posted on 10/30/2004 4:06:35 PM PDT by dixiechick2
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To: EGPWS

It's too late, though. Look how many people have already voted.


50 posted on 10/30/2004 4:07:29 PM PDT by SheLion ( Rove knew that sKerry was a man that stood for nothing and therefore would fall for anything.)
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