.50 Caliber Terror News Special Alert!(extreme barf alert)

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[freepatriot32]

Dear xxxxxx

We are pleased to tell you that the campaign to protect America from "50 Caliber Terror" is gaining momentum! This week the New York State Assembly passed a package of legislation to stem the tide of gun violence that included a ban on .50-caliber sniper rifles.

And in Illinois, Chicago Mayor Richard Daley announced 4 pieces of gun violence prevention legislation that also included a bill to restrict anti-armor, .50-caliber sniper rifles.

Your support of the Freedom States Alliance is helping to educate America about these weapons of terror. You can help us build our campaign by asking your friends, family, and co-workers to join the Freedom States Alliance by signing up here: https://app.etapestry.com/hosted/FreedomStatesAlliance/Signup.html

And to keep you informed, below is an article on the legislation in NY to keep .50-caliber sniper rifles out of the hands of terrorists. When you read this article you can see how our messages and campaign is making an impact thanks to your support.

2006 is here and the Freedom States Alliance is off and running and we're just getting started.

Sincerely,

"50 Caliber Terror" – A homeland security campaign by the Freedom States Alliance.

http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/010906GunViolence.html

Banning 50-Caliber Weapons

Another proposal, sponsored by Assemblywoman Patricia Eddington (D-Patchogue), would ban 50-caliber sniper weapons, which can be used to disable commercial aircraft and helicopters and are powerful enough to penetrate steel plating. These dangerous weapons which are used extensively by the United States military, are accurate from over one mile away. They continue to be available for purchase in New York by anyone who can buy a rifle. A report from the nationally-renowned Violence Policy Center found that these weapons have been purchased by the Al Qaeda terrorist network and used by other domestic and international terrorist organizations. Silver noted the Assembly had sought to include a ban on these weapons in a comprehensive state anti-terrorism law passed two years ago, but the proposal was rejected by the Senate and the governor each time. Silver called attention to California's recent enactment of legislation banning these weapons and called on New York to do the same.

"A 50-caliber weapon in terrorist hands is a nightmare scenario. With deadly accuracy, it can destroy targets from over a mile away. Designed for assassination and armor piercing, they are military weapons with no legitimate purpose on our streets. They are a clear and present terrorist threat," said Assemblywoman Patricia Eddington. "These weapons of war are easier to buy than handguns. Banning the 50-caliber weapon is one way we can fight the war on terror." To Donate http://www.50caliberterror.com/donate

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[Simo Hayha]

A 50-caliber weapon in terrorist hands is a nightmare scenario. With deadly accuracy, it can destroy targets from over a mile away.

Yeah, that's what terrorists do. Maybe the next terrorist to strike will have one on the seat next to him when he parks next to a building, or drives through the front door and blows himself up. Box-cutters or dirty nukes.

[elkfersupper]

Very interesting.

Although doomed if they decide to go after case length (next).

[archy]

If they ban the 50 cal BMG, someone will come out with the 49.99 BMG.

Not quite. But I've seen a prototype of a .50 BMG round [12.7x99mm] necked down to a .338. It's awesome.

A few years back, I was playing around with the 20mm Lahti L39 antitank round necked down to .50, mainly as a rulebeater to get rebuilt Lahtis past the import restrictions for *Destructive Devices. Sadly, the cost of new barrels, rebarrelling and a run of the .50 x 139mm ammo made the project unfeasable. But it was amazing to fire at 55-gallon drums filled with water a mile away and score spectacular hits.

And it made Mi-24 *Hind-D* drivers tremble....

[archy]

Here's a nice work around for this "problem". http://www.reloadbench.com/cartridges/w33850.html

Lovely little devil. No, I don't have one, but it's a very intriguing cartridge design.

The cartridge is over bore capacity and sever throat erosion occurred within only 250 rounds. Talbot also tried a shortened version of the cartridge, about one inch shorter than the full length case, in order to increase the loading density. The maximum load of 170 grains of Accurate Arms 8700 powder occupied only 77 percent of the volumetric capacity. However, the short version was not successful because muzzle velocity was reduced by about 500 fps.

That would be the .338 version I observed, based on the 12,7x77mm case of the M8 spotting rifle used for rangefinding with the M40A1 106mm recoilless rifle, rather than the longer .50 BMG cartridge. The idea of that parent cartridge was to approximate the trajectory of the 14-pound projectile of the 106mm high explosive warhead out to around 1000 meters. The .338/.50 project we were pursuing involved development of an semiauto action sufficiently stout for the cartridge, utilizing quickly replacable barrels [new .50 M2 barrels go for around $400 per, not exactly a *disposable* item] and both semi armour piercing and STUP projectiles with very respectable penetrative effect.

[archy]

I have no need to ever own an 'assault' style firearm, but I want one sooo bad simply because I know that the fact of me owning one is bound to make at least one of these losers crap their trousers.

Oh, I know JUST the item for you, details *here*. And the bayonet lug will no doubt make them weep tears of fright as well.

And, should they ever choose to try anything patently unconstitutional, illegal or oppressive, it'll be a lovely continuation of use of a weapon well-known for its efficacy in dealing with this country's enemies. Advise if I can assist in any way.

[planekT]

I miss my old copy of "Cartridges of the World". Loaned it to a friend and he still has it. I might just have to go buy an updated one.

The weenie gun grabbers wouldn't even let us have one of these if it were up to them.

http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2073332&cp=712508.1760840&parentPage=family&searchId=1760840

[planekT]

$400 dollar barrels would certainly not be disposable by my standards, that's for sure.

I recall the author of COW (Frank Barnes) shot that round in Skip Talbots custom rifle, which I think weighed about 14 pounds. He said shooting prairie dogs at 600 yards it was spectacular.

LOL. Some prarie dog round!

Here's another round from that book that I always thought was interesting.

http://www.accuratereloading.com/585nyat1.html

Take a look at the energy that thing makes and tell me that wouldn't hurt. Making a rifle for this round isn't too difficult if I recall correctly.

[proud_yank]

This says it all, I got a kick out of this!



Perhaps I'll have to buy two, one as a collectors item. Did you build the rifle in post #23?

[PoorMuttly]

Your posts are always so refreshing!

Tanks, pal.

[archy]

Perhaps I'll have to buy two, one as a collectors item.

Sounds like a plan!

Did you build the rifle in post #23?

History of the L-39 Norsupyssy *here*. More info *here* and *here.*

*Bonus pic *here*

[Squantos]

Just ask em to list all the criminal acts where a 50bmg was used........(((cricket)))

[R. Scott]

…that also included a bill to restrict anti-armor, .50-caliber sniper rifles.

Without armor piercing rounds, it is not an anti-armor weapon – but it will penetrate a concrete wall nicely.

[Squantos]

I have a McBros, A M82A1 and a old Daisy AMAC and Uncle Sugars bed wetters ain't getting any of em back in the manner they think they will.........A 20MM necked down to .338 ?!?!?!??..........I WANT one !

[Godebert]

"Anyone that supports gun control and wishes to disarm America also supports terrorism and terrorist ideals. Gun control advocates should be viewed as terrorist sympathizers and dealt with appropriately. "

Worth repeating.

[proud_yank]

Just ask em to list all the criminal acts where a 50bmg was used........(((cricket)))

What gang banger wouldn't have a 30+ lb. rifle tucked in their skivvies? I imagine TONS of crimes have been committed with such a firearm.

Never forget: Facts, and rational thought DO NOT have any effect on the liberal mindset. Particularly, the bed-wetter anti-gun mindset!

[proud_yank]

Thanks for all the links archy! I always wondered what the story was with the 'bonus pic' you sent me, I have seen it before in a joke e-mail. I figured something like that was just a contraption someone built in their garage for a laugh. Now I know!

I also never knew that the Finns made anti-tank arms (I'm part Finnish so I had to smile), and that "Norsupyssy" means 'elephant gun'.

Any idea if something like that is capable of firing a DU (depleted uranium) round?

Can't imagine the recoil on something like that though!!

[planekT]

Forget the cost of the barrels. How much would that magazine cost? :-)

God that thing is huge!

[archy]

Forget the cost of the barrels. How much would that magazine cost? :-)

About $100 each, 2 per the carrying can. The 10-round version is quite available, there's also an anti-aircraft/vehicle mount gun version that's a good bit rarer. The REALLY hot item is the much-desired Finnish *fencepost* antiaircraft mounting.

God that thing is huge!

Last time I was out with one, a pal was by with his, since his 14-year-old neighbor kid wanted to try it...at around $35 per shot.

She loved it. the recoil didn't bother her a bit.

[planekT]

So a loaded mag would cost you $450.00 Ow!

I bet the percussion is pretty noticeable when it goes off.
I live about a mile from a large Military base. Whatever they are shooting over there rattles all the windows and doors in my house. WOOOF! (rattle rattle).

We also get buzzed by the big transport planes. Sometimes they just go round and round at low altitudes. I guess they are practicing missed approaches or something like that. Also get the helicopters down low. Some of them you don't even hear until they are almost on top of you.

A few years back one of their jets had some problem and they dumped all their fuel and their missles. One of the missles crashed into somebodys house. No one was hurt though.

Uncle Sugar has all kinds of goodies over there. I feel safer though knowing that this area would be a "hard" target.

[archy]

I also never knew that the Finns made anti-tank arms (I'm part Finnish so I had to smile), and that "Norsupyssy" means 'elephant gun'.

Then you may also be unaware that the term *Molotov Cocktail* for an improvised glass-bottle antitank incendiary also comes tous from the Finns, from the time of the 4-month-long talvisota or Winter War, of November 1939- 1940. We are now celebrating the anniversary of those days, so it's worth a smile that the nickname those supposedly humourless Finns gave to their weapon of desperation [about a million and a half Soviet troops invaded; the Finns fielded around 180,000 soldiers and reservists] still hangs on, Vyacheslav Mikhailovich Molotov being the Soviet Foreign Minister of the period. In those four months, the Soviets reportedly suffered around one million casualties, per Nikita Kruschev. The affray was known to Russians as the Belaya Smjert, white death.

The Finnish light antitank rifles of the day were reasonably effective against the early Soviet light tanks, some of which were amphibious, and the vodka-bottle incendiaries were useful against those early tanks with gasoline-powered engines; the later Diesel engined T-34 would be another matter, as the Hungarians of Budapesh later learned the hard way in 1956.

But the Finnish alliance with WWII Germany gave the Finns two other weapons most useful against enemy armour: the shoulder-fired Panzerfaust and the 75mm tracked Sturmgeschütz III *ambush tank*.

Ironically, the Finnish military now uses a mixture of Russian AT weapons backed with the US TOW and the French APILIS recoilless AT weapon for tank killing. Hopefully, Finnish troops won't ever have to rely on home-grown field expedients again.

Any idea if something like that is capable of firing a DU (depleted uranium) round?

Yes. It needs to be shrouded in a plastic or copper sabot, just as with the larger-bore tank weapons. Likewise, tungsten-steel armor piercing rounds with copper or nylon driving bands are practical, shaped charge HEAT rounds being problematic from a rifled barrel. But there are 25mm DU rounds in service for the 25mm Bushmaster mounted on the M2 Bradley and Marine LAV, as well as helicopter and naval gun mount applications. The 20x139mm round used in the L39 remains a standard NATO light vehicle and naval application cartridge; the Norwegians still use it, among others.

Can't imagine the recoil on something like that though!!

Worse than some, not so bad as others. I've also seen a single-shot rifle chambered for the 30x173 mm round of the A10 *Warthawg's* GAU-8 rotary cannon. Can't say as I'd care to try that one meself....