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Fred Thompson, the Education President?
Hunter's Rangers - Bar of Integrity ^ | September 18, 2007 | Alexander J. Hamilton

Posted on 09/18/2007 3:13:31 PM PDT by Calpernia

All the candidates from both political parties have emphasized the need for better education. It is plainly obvious that many, if not most, public schools across America are sub-par. Sub-par not only relative to schools abroad, but when judged against the rigors of American schools of yesteryear. The Democrats and Republicans, in theory, differ greatly when it comes to federal funding of education. Ronald Reagan, as well as the conservative wing of the party, wanted to get rid of the Department of Education altogether, while the donkeys have long howled about the supposed lack of spending on schools.

The so-called crown jewel of US education is still considered to be our colleges, both public and private, as evidenced by the large numbers of foreign students that come to our shores to attend these institutions.

However, a closer examination of the curricula currently being passed off as “education” shows that science and logic and classical economics have taken a back seat to fluff, in many cases. Multicultural flim-flam - from ethnic studies, to lesbian empowerment, to ‘revised’ history – has invaded nearly every campus. The federal government is also responsible for piling on a load of crap. They offer cold hard cash if said institution will establish a program that pays homage to the ‘vision’ and history and agenda of some politician or ‘civic leader’.

One would think that Republicans would be immune from this nonsense. And one would certainly think a man claiming to be a federalist would resist coughing up taxpayers’ hard earned money for such endeavors. Well, let us examine the record of Fred Thompson on the subject of education.

In the 104th Congress, Fred’s first, he cosponsored with Senator Frist and Carol Mosely Braun a bill to spend money refurbishing historically black colleges:

S.1940, Title: A bill to authorize appropriations for the preservation and restoration of historic buildings at historically black colleges and universities.

A noble gesture perhaps, but certainly not a nod to a colorblind society. There were numerous small, historical campuses across the country that were NOT predominantly black that could have used some federal cash. Yet Thompson, Braun and Frist saw fit to propose $65 million over 4 years for these grants. Of course, it helps motivation when Tennessee has its own black colleges covered by this legislation.

The following Congress, the 105th, found Mr. Thompson teaming with Bill Frist, Susan Collins and about 15 other Senators for something called the Education Flexibility Amendments of 1998, S.2213. This legislation sought to amend the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965, purportedly to offer the states more flexibility in meeting federal performance mandates. Sounds good, until you read the details. In Tiltle I, it does indeed tweak the edges of previous education law, allowing for more waivers for local school districts. However, the real purpose of this misnamed legislation was to create two federally funded endowments, each with $3 million in seed money for fiscal year 1999: Title II: OREGON INSTITUTE OF PUBLIC SERVICE AND CONSTITUTIONAL STUDIES. - From the funds appropriated under section 206, the Secretary is authorized to award a grant to Portland State University at Portland, Oregon, for the establishment of an endowment fund to support the Oregon Institute of Public Service and Constitutional Studies at the Mark O. Hatfield School of Government at Portland State University. TITLE III--PAUL SIMON PUBLIC POLICY INSTITUTE - GRANTS- From the funds appropriated under section 306, the Secretary is authorized to award a grant to Southern Illinois University for the establishment of an endowment fund to support the Paul Simon Public Policy Institute. The Secretary may enter into agreements with the University and include in any agreement made pursuant to this title such provisions as are determined necessary by the Secretary to carry out this title.

But apparently, one bill making endowments was not sufficient in the Education budget. Fred and Frist and Kennedy proposed S.2638, “To provide support for certain institutes and schools”. In addition to the two grants mentioned above, they added in two more: TITLE III--HOWARD BAKER SCHOOL OF GOVERNMENT - From the funds authorized to be appropriated under section 306, the Secretary is authorized to award a grant to the University for the establishment of an endowment fund to support the Howard Baker School of Government at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville, Tennessee. TITLE IV--JOHN GLENN INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC SERVICE AND PUBLIC POLICY - GRANTS- From the funds appropriated under section 406, the Secretary is authorized to award a grant to the Ohio State University for the establishment of an endowment fund to support the John Glenn Institute for Public Service and Public Policy. The Secretary may enter into agreements with the University and include in any agreement made pursuant to this title such provisions as are determined necessary by the Secretary to carry out this title.

And the funding appropriated for these two storied gentlemen’s institutes was $10M and $6M, respectively.

And then just for grins, Frist and Thompson proposed these expenditures, in the exact same format, as amendment S.AMDT.3743 to bill S. 442. The irony is the S.442 is called the Internet Tax Freedom Act and its purpose was to “establish a national policy against State and local government interference with interstate commerce” for internet usage.

In the 1999 session of the 106th Congress, apparently unsatisfied with the seed money that was passed for these fine institutes, Fred Thompson decided to provide another few million ($10M for Baker, $3M for the lesser politicos), but added $5M for a fifth endowment: TITLE V--ROBERT T. STAFFORD PUBLIC POLICY INSTITUTE, though it is apparently not associated with a particular school. Certainly a man of Stafford’s acumen deserves an institute, considering he is best known as a rabid environmentalist and for his work on shepherding Vermont’s gay civil union law to fruition.

In 2000, Fred introduced an amendment S.AMDT.2317 to the DC College Access Act that mandates that District of Columbia grads get “in-state” tuition at institutions outside of DC. More Frederalism, I reckon.

Of course, Mr. Thompson also voted for the much maligned No Child Left Behind Act, despite his supporters claiming that Fred is a small government conservative. Granted, there was a lot of pressure to pass NCLB: Bush campaigned on it, the schools were a mess, and its goal was supposed to be to hold schools accountable. Nevertheless, the final bill had Ted Kennedy’s fingerprints all over it, and it became just another government boondoggle; a very expensive boondoggle.

And finally, for an encore topping off his fine career in education, Fred introduced and got passage of an amendment to dedicate funds for one last endowment. This time he hid it in the supplemental appropriations bill for Terrorism related expenses. The amendment reads: SA 3611. Mr. THOMPSON (for himself and Mr. Frist) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill H.R. 4775, making supplemental appropriations for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2002, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows: On page 86, between lines 2 and 3, insert the following: ``(5) the provision specifying $835,000 for the Benjamin L. Hooks Institute for Social Change shall be deemed to read as follows: `The Benjamin L. Hooks Institute for Social Change in Memphis, Tennessee for an endowment to pursue a broad programmatic agenda that emphasizes the continued importance of the Civil Rights Movement and encourages academic research and community outreach, $835,000'.''. It passed into law, assuring that the former NAACP leader, lunatic, and vociferous foe of Clarence Thomas would have his legacy and agenda kept alive for years to come. I’m just amazed Fred Thompson had the time and energy to work on such important education funding goals between all of his Campaign Finance Reform activity. Who ever said he was lazy?


TOPICS: Education; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: anklebiters; checkthepolls; duncandonuts; duncanhunter; duncanistahitpiece; earmarks4hunter; frederalism; fredthompson; gnats; hunterites; nea; polls; publicschools; tedkennedy
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To: Sun
I’m REALLY disappointed that SOME people are giving up so easily, especially this early.

I'm not giving up. I'm backing a solid conservative polling in the mid-20s. You think I should give him up to support a solid conservative polling in the mid-asterisks. Too bad. Not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent.

Hunter is a good man, he'd make a fine Secretary of Defense, and if he shows up, I'm sure he'll do a fine job.

81 posted on 09/18/2007 5:47:41 PM PDT by Petronski (Cleveland Indians: AL Central -7)
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To: Petronski

By turning everyone off FDT with your attitude.


82 posted on 09/18/2007 5:47:52 PM PDT by Paperdoll
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To: Petronski

CORRECTION:

I bet you canNOT even fill up a tagline about your candidate, as I did with my tagline.


83 posted on 09/18/2007 5:49:08 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-life/borders, understands Red China threat! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: Sun

I bet I don’t care about Jr. High dares.


84 posted on 09/18/2007 5:50:10 PM PDT by Petronski (Cleveland Indians: AL Central -7)
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To: Petronski

Re: ISSUES, why are you supporting Fred?

The fact that you can’t answer that is VERY telling.


85 posted on 09/18/2007 5:51:54 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-life/borders, understands Red China threat! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: Sun
You can’t even say IN YOUR OWN WORDS...

Not "cannot." Just "am not."

86 posted on 09/18/2007 5:51:56 PM PDT by Petronski (Cleveland Indians: AL Central -7)
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To: Sun
The fact that you can’t answer that is VERY telling.

Not "can't," just "won't." You're not that important. Sorry.

I have a strict rule about feeding the trolls and I've just now realized I've wasted the last hour violating that rule. Oh well. Better late than never.

87 posted on 09/18/2007 5:53:29 PM PDT by Petronski (Cleveland Indians: AL Central -7)
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To: Petronski

ROFLLLLLLLL. All of the Fred supporters give the same spin.

Some of you are spending time posting on boards, calling people names, and you don’t even know why you are supporting Fred re: ISSUES.


88 posted on 09/18/2007 5:54:16 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-life/borders, understands Red China threat! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: Sun
...and you don’t even know why you are supporting Fred re: ISSUES.

I see you're not above lying.

Don't you know you're "turning everyone off [DH] with your attitude?"

89 posted on 09/18/2007 5:56:11 PM PDT by Petronski (Cleveland Indians: AL Central -7)
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To: All

Ladies and Gentlemen:

CONCLUSION: Fred supporters don’t even know why they are supporting Fred when it comes to ISSUES.

Funny but sad...........


90 posted on 09/18/2007 5:56:12 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-life/borders, understands Red China threat! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: Calpernia

You’re going to be in trouble now! Talking about Fred’s actual record is off limits. You may, however, discuss his acting career, his wife, or his southern drawl.


91 posted on 09/18/2007 5:59:01 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Rudy = Hillary, Fred = Dole, Romney = Kerry, McCain = Crazy. No Thanks.)
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To: Sun

Ladies and Gentlemen:

CONCLUSION: Sun is a liar.

Funny but sad...........


92 posted on 09/18/2007 6:00:55 PM PDT by Petronski (Cleveland Indians: AL Central -7)
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To: Petronski

Hey Pet, get back to us when you figure out what Fred stands for. ISSUES, please.


93 posted on 09/18/2007 6:07:24 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-life/borders, understands Red China threat! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: Petronski

“I’ve wasted the last hour”

You do that on every thread.

Have you no life sir/ma’am?


94 posted on 09/18/2007 6:09:18 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-life/borders, understands Red China threat! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: Sun

Troll on.


95 posted on 09/18/2007 6:20:14 PM PDT by Petronski (Cleveland Indians: AL Central -7)
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To: Petronski

“Troll on.”

At least you admit you’re a troll. Admitting it is half the battle.


96 posted on 09/18/2007 6:23:11 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-life/borders, understands Red China threat! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: All

From the link:

“And finally, for an encore topping off his fine career in education, Fred introduced and got passage of an amendment to dedicate funds for one last endowment. This time he hid it in the supplemental appropriations bill for Terrorism related expenses.”

THAT is EXTREMELY bad.


97 posted on 09/18/2007 6:24:56 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-life/borders, understands Red China threat! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: Sun
Nice tagline, funny thing though. It hasn't traded in on any popularity, or votes. Duncan has had 3 debates in a row to seperate himself from the rest of the crowd and failed miserably. The only place he did well was Texas, but that is because no one else but RP was there actually campaigning, and he couldn't win in his own state!

I find that interesting since all you DH supporters say he is the right man for the job, but it is not resounding where it counts. On the road. THe Values Voter forum was a perfect opportunity for DH, and once again he was nowhere near the top of the straw polling at the end of the night AND THAT WAS CLOSED VOTE!!

I won't even get into the polls, like Rasmussen or Gallup, because if his message was making an impact on people it would show. If it hasn't by now, it won't. There are too many other people in the way.

98 posted on 09/18/2007 6:31:11 PM PDT by Pistolshot (Keyes/Paul '08 - When you can't get crazy enough.)
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To: Sun
I don't know about you, but I just want a candidate that understands national security and not only wants our borders secured and our current immigration laws enforced, but actually gets WHY we are opposed to comprehensive immigration reform and isn't afraid to say it.

I want a candidate that understands the second amendment and not only understands the importance of appointing conservative judges to stop judicial tyranny, but also understands how precious life is.

I want a candidate that won't pander to European socialists and is willing to tell the Mexican government how things are, as well as being willing to actually say how useless the UN is.

I also feel it is extremely important to nominate a candidate that can articulate conservatism in a way that everyone can understand, to counter the demagoguery of the left. I like a candidate who can explain why tax cuts are good for our economy and can show man-made global warming for the joke that it is. It would be refreshing to see a candidate explain why we should back Israel and make damn sure Iran never gets a nuke.

Wouldn't it be great to have a candidate that see's CAIR for what it is? Even better to have a candidate that calls out Democrats for being the defeatist losers that they are.

While we're dreaming the impossible dream and looking for this perfect candidate, I'd also like to throw in that I would love to nominate a candidate who can use the new media to his advantage and get around old media liberal bias.

I don't know where we'd ever find such a candidate, but if we can find him, we'll do well in 2008. :) Plus, the other guys are either congressmen with no personality or gungrabbing, abortion supporting medicine socializers.

don't shoot the messenger

Then stop cutting off Fred's quote on immigration and deliver it in context. Until then, half the truth is a lie. That makes you a liar.

99 posted on 09/18/2007 7:10:48 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (John Cox 2008: Because Duncan Hunter just isn't obscure enough for me!)
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To: AuntB
"Do you approve of the information and voting record in the article?"



No I do not, but when each candidate's overall record on spending is taking into account, the only ones with a better record than Fred are Ron Paul and Tom Tancredo. Ron is off the mark on the threat of Islam and Tom is widely perceived as a one issue candidate. Yes, Fred has missed the mark on a few issues, but on the whole he has a solid record as a limited government conservative and has the ability to communicate his principles effectively to the American people. I see no better choice available.
100 posted on 09/18/2007 7:12:51 PM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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