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The Plot Thickens: Obama's Birth Certificate and HRS Section 338-18
Mitchell Langbert's Blog ^ | July 12, 2008 | Dr. Mitchell Langbert

Posted on 07/12/2008 9:24:08 AM PDT by Raquel

I have previously requested a copy of Barack Obama's birth certificate. Janice Okubo, Public Information Office of the Communications office of the State of Hawaii, responding on July 3, has chosen to refuse to provide a copy of the birth certificate. This blog consists of three parts. First, I quote Ms. Okubo's letter, dated July 3, 2008, verbatim. Her letter responds to my inquiry under the Freedom of Information Act. Although Ms. Okubo points out that the Freedom of Information applies to the federal government and not the states, most states, including Hawaii, have similar statutes. With respect to birth certificates, though, there is a separate section of the Hawaii Revised Statutes (HRS) that Ms. Okubo cites, HRS § 338-18. The link that Ms. Okubo provides in her hard copy snail mail letter respecting § 338-18 was dead when I tried to use it, but I obtained a copy of HRS § 338-18 from the Lexis-Nexis data base available from New York University's Bobst library. In addition, I obtained information on Hawaii's Uniform Information Practices Act from the State of Hawaii Website. In the second part of this blog, I respond to Ms. Okubo by drafting two letters, one a response to Chiyome Fukino, Director of Health, Ms. Okubo's superior, with a copy to Ms. Okubo and Governor Linda Lingle (R-HI), and also a letter to Barack Obama requesting that he send me a letter authorizing me to represent him in obtaining a copy of his birth certificate in the interest of avoiding accusations of political gamesmanship and manipulation. In the third section I copy the relevant sections from § 338-18 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes for your reference. I also quote from the State of Hawaii Website about its "Uniform Information Law" booklet.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government
KEYWORDS: 2008; birthcertificate; certifigate; elections; expose; fraud; hawaii; issues; obama; obamatruthfile; unfit
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To: SatinDoll
>>>> What was his mother doing on Mercer Island when he was three weeks old? She didn’t even know how to change his diaper. There were no direct flights between Hawaii and Seattle in 1961, and airlines wouldn’t allow small infants on airplanes then because of noise and sanitation factors.

The problem is, that's NOT what the woman in the interview says. She says “I can remember when she came to visit one afternoon when Barry was just FEW weeks old.” She says NOTHING about him being THREE weeks old. She says a FEW weeks.

To her, a few could have been two weeks old, or 20 weeks old.

The problem again, is people depending on what one person says another person said, and when you investigate, you learn they did NOT say that at all.

Again also, is there ONE credentialed person who has seen an original of the Hawaii birth certificate and says it's a forgery?

Other than about 10,000 unnamed posters, I think not.

I want Obama to be defeated very badly, and stupid unsubstantiated rumors and the conspiracy clique are NOT the way to do it.

81 posted on 07/20/2008 6:16:53 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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To: MindBender26

Look, I’m sure you’re a nice guy...intelligent...conservative like me...but you’re coming into this discussion a little late...

Can I respectfully ask you to review the Obama Truth File...I’ve posted several in the past several weeks...I’m no authority...but just the same...there are some people on this forum who are making sense...

Start w this

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2044291/posts


82 posted on 07/20/2008 6:22:43 PM PDT by nikos1121 (The first black president of the US should be at least a "Jackie Robinson.")
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To: MindBender26

Oh, and BTW...Obama’s camp will not release the original BC foor r anyone to review...So what is your point...?

The posted BC on Daily Kos and Obamas site is clearly a fake...If you don’t believe that then either you haven’t read the inspections posted on this site, or you want to be obstinate...because you’re a Capricaorn or most likely a Pisces...


83 posted on 07/20/2008 6:25:19 PM PDT by nikos1121 (The first black president of the US should be at least a "Jackie Robinson.")
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To: SatinDoll
>>>> There were no direct flights between Hawaii and Seattle in 1961, and airlines wouldn’t allow small infants on airplanes then because of noise and sanitation factors.

Where you got these ideas I have no idea.

President Truman awarded the Honolulu-Seattle non-stop flight route to Northwest Orient Airlines in 1948. They flew the route with Boeing model 337 Stratocruisers, then DC-8s, then other jets continually to this date!

If you doubt it, check this old timetable showing pictures of their non-stop Seattle-Honolulu routes!

http://cgi.ebay.es/NORTHWEST-ORIENT-AIRLINES-Old-ROUTE-Map_W0QQitemZ300167500348QQihZ020QQcategoryZ10771QQcmdZViewItem

Also, I flew with infants on commercial aircraft, since I was an infant in the 1940s!

Why is everyone depending on all this foolishness? It makes FR look like nutville!

84 posted on 07/20/2008 6:41:59 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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To: MindBender26

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2048554/posts


85 posted on 07/20/2008 6:44:27 PM PDT by nikos1121 (The first black president of the US should be at least a "Jackie Robinson.")
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To: nikos1121
>>>> you want to be obstinate...because you’re a Capricaorn or most likely a Pisces...

Dear Sir or Madam:

I strongly suggest you contact your ISP as someone has obviously obtained your e-mail and FR password and is posting astrology idiocy under your name.

Personally, I can confirm that the only sigh I was posted under said “Emergency Room - Ambulance Parking Only”

86 posted on 07/20/2008 6:45:58 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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To: nikos1121
You are depending on this idiocy?

Complete and total idiocy from someone with absolutely no recognized qualifications, who tells everyone who does not agree with him to “f**k you” makes no allowance for different scanners, different calibrations, different ink ages, different print years, different document suppliers, different brands of ink, different a million things... and who wants to believe his own ego and insanity.

I'm off this. I thought you were serious. If you cannot accept reality and want to believe this stupidity, I have set it so I am blocked from seeing your posts anymore.

87 posted on 07/20/2008 6:53:41 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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To: MindBender26

Very cute. The link is in Spanish.

You are the only person to come forward and make this claim so far. Plenty of others on this site or, like my neighbor who flew for airlines for decades, disputes what you say.

The only person who really knows is the Senator and his maternal grandmother. He refuses to say and she has been shut off and shut up.


88 posted on 07/20/2008 7:14:24 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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To: SatinDoll
Yes, the link is to a Spanish E-bay.... but the TIMETABLE is in English!!!

Look at the PICTURES. The route is clearly shown.... in ENGLISH!!!!!

Look at the CAB route filings and awards for 1948.

Stop listening to what somebody's unnamed neighbor says... and do some real research yourself. This is the Presidency of the United States. This is some miracle diet of the month on Oprah! This is the Presidency. Look at the FACTS!

89 posted on 07/20/2008 7:34:20 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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To: pepsionice
I suspect that if enough digging is done...we find that he is born in Vancouver...NOT Hawaii, and he is still a US citizen by reason of the mother being such.

I suppose by now you've been corrected on this misapprehension. If Barry was born outside the U.S. with only one of his parents being a U.S. citizen with his being born less than five years after the age of 16 of that U.S. citizen parent, then he is not a U.S. citizen.
90 posted on 07/20/2008 7:36:32 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: SatinDoll

This is NOT some miracle diet of the month on Oprah!


91 posted on 07/20/2008 7:37:10 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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To: MindBender26

That’s right. It’s the Presidency and liars need not run for office. The American people have a right to straight answers from candidates. They have a right to know whether he was born in the U.S., or one of its territories. Obama isn’t giving any straight forward answers, period.

Something you may not be aware of is Obama’s own relatives in Kenya have told the press that he, Senator Obama, was born in Kenya. This is the kind of information that is fueling the internet frenzy. If true, he is ineligible to be President, citizen of an American mother or not.

If he indeed was born in Hawaii, I want a President who doesn’t hide who he is, denies associations with people of questionable integrity, or tries to hide what he has done in the past. Don’t you?

Straight answers from the Obama campaign would go a long way to blowing away all the speculation, wouldn’t you agree?

But the Democrats are instead trying to hide so much, it makes a lot of people think it must be something seriously damaging.


92 posted on 07/20/2008 7:57:03 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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To: SatinDoll

>>> Something you may not be aware of is Obama’s own relatives in Kenya have told the press that he, Senator Obama, was born in Kenya.

Again, WHAT AUTHORITATIVE SOURCE SAYS THEY DID?

So he was born in Kenya, Canada, Hawaii, where else?

This is so stupid.

I’m outa here.


93 posted on 07/20/2008 8:02:34 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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To: MindBender26

You’re outa here: goodbye, don’t let the door hit your fanny on the way out!


94 posted on 07/20/2008 8:12:28 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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To: SatinDoll
So other than one anonymous guy on the net trying to make a case without ever examining any original documents or taking into account scanner differences, ink differences, age of document differences, scanner setting differences, scanner calibration differences, ink aging differently due to different storage conditions, and more and more and more there is nothing.

The “no flights” story, proven false
The “no kids flying” story, proven false
The “he was here at age 3 weeks interview” story, proven false,
The “relatives say he was born in Kenya” story, proven false.

Seriously, do you not realize that you would be laughed out of court?

95 posted on 07/21/2008 5:20:32 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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To: MindBender26

I don’t have time to waste on someone who obviously hasn’t been following this story for months.

And it isn’t about going to court. Screw lawyers.


96 posted on 07/21/2008 5:23:06 AM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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To: SatinDoll
Excuse me, Miss.

Wake up. There is no story. There never was.

Every point you have ever brought up has been disproven.

The fact that you have been following it for months says lots about you, not the story.

If you didn't realize within 72 hours it was all BS, or take a moment to check out all these wild crazy claims posted, that says LOADS about you and your cognitive process.

97 posted on 07/21/2008 5:26:46 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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To: Raquel
What happens if you win this battle and Obama has to withdraw before the election? Hillary becomes the democratic candidate. Thanks a lot.
98 posted on 07/21/2008 5:27:56 AM PDT by McGruff (Either way. We're screwed.)
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To: MindBender26

I’m wide awake and there is a big story. As a former newsie you’re missing it - big time.

Instead of attacking me why don’t you do what you brag about as a former newsman. Go investigate this phony 4th rate politician.

You can start here:

Grim Proving Ground for Obama’s Housing Policy

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/

I suggest you read it carefully then think hard. You want a crook in the White House. I don’t.


99 posted on 07/21/2008 5:50:40 AM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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To: SatinDoll
This is a RealPolitiks issue.

These stories about Obama’s housing policies, his connections with Tony Rezko, Black Reparations, ACORN, Rev. Wright, his uber-liberal voting record are all great issues for the campaign. They are the issues that move Centrist voters. And remember, it's the Centrist swing voters who decide every national election. These issues should be repeated again and again and again.... once the campaign gets into a real momentum, after the convention.... when the Centrist voters begin to care.

The problem is, when we waste our time and effort on non-issues such as this citizenship fiasco, we waste our time and effort... and that time and effort are limited quantity items.

The fact that Obama is not responding to is now is perfect RealPolitiks. The Obamianians will wait until some fools put all their eggs in that basket, then slam the door shut with a statement from the doctor who delivered him, the nurses, hospital records, etc. But they (Obama’s team) would wait until much later in the campaign, when everyone is possibly interested in that issue, when lots of ammunition has been wasted on it, not now when damn few care as it is now.

It's like the Rathergate issue. The WH knew exactly what CBS was going to do, but rather than a huge denial, they simply issues a quilt general denial. Then after the story had run, they used it to slam the door on Rather and the anti-Bush crowd at ABS.

To say that someone is for a candidate because he won't follow chasing a non-issue down a rat hole is an insult to both the other person and your intelligence.

100 posted on 07/21/2008 6:39:22 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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