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Posted on 11/26/2008 2:44:07 PM PST by urobolus
Born in the U.S.A. August 21, 2008 Updated: November 1, 2008 The truth about Obama's birth certificate. Summary In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."
We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu. Analysis Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.
Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night. Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: "This has gotten ridiculous," state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. "There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy." . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? "I hope so," Fukino said. "We need to get some work done." Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."
Since we first wrote about Obama's birth certificate on June 16, speculation on his citizenship has continued apace. Some claim that Obama posted a fake birth certificate to his Web page. That charge leaped from the blogosphere to the mainstream media earlier this week when Jerome Corsi, author of a book attacking Obama, repeated the claim in an Aug. 15 interview with Steve Doocy on Fox News.
Corsi: Well, what would be really helpful is if Senator Obama would release primary documents like his birth certificate. The campaign has a false, fake birth certificate posted on their website. How is anybody supposed to really piece together his life?
Doocy: What do you mean they have a "false birth certificate" on their Web site?
Corsi: The original birth certificate of Obama has never been released, and the campaign refuses to release it.
Doocy: Well, couldn't it just be a State of Hawaii-produced duplicate?
Corsi: No, it's a -- there's been good analysis of it on the Internet, and it's been shown to have watermarks from Photoshop. It's a fake document that's on the Web site right now, and the original birth certificate the campaign refuses to produce. Corsi isn't the only skeptic claiming that the document is a forgery. Among the most frequent objections we saw on forums, blogs and e-mails are: The birth certificate doesn't have a raised seal. It isn't signed. No creases from folding are evident in the scanned version. In the zoomed-in view, there's a strange halo around the letters. The certificate number is blacked out. The date bleeding through from the back seems to say "2007," but the document wasn't released until 2008. The document is a "certification of birth," not a "certificate of birth." Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.
The Obama birth certificate, held by FactCheck writer Joe Miller
Alvin T. Onaka's signature stamp
The raised seal
Blowup of text
You can click on the photos to get full-size versions, which haven't been edited in any way, except that some have been rotated 90 degrees for viewing purposes.
The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.
The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.
The scan released by the campaign shows halos around the black text, making it look (to some) as though the text might have been pasted on top of an image of security paper. But the document itself has no such halos, nor do the close-up photos we took of it. We conclude that the halo seen in the image produced by the campaign is a digital artifact from the scanning process.
We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that's when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and "all the records we could get our hands on" according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn't release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama's citizenship. The campaign then rushed to release the document, and the rush is responsible for the blacked-out certificate number. Says Shauna: "[We] couldn't get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we've found out it's pretty irrelevant for the outside world." The document we looked at did have a certificate number; it is 151 1961 - 010641.
Blowup of certificate number
Some of the conspiracy theories that have circulated about Obama are quite imaginative. One conservative blogger suggested that the campaign might have obtained a valid Hawaii birth certificate, soaked it in solvent, then reprinted it with Obama's information. Of course, this anonymous blogger didn't have access to the actual document and presents this as just one possible "scenario" without any evidence that such a thing actually happened or is even feasible.
We also note that so far none of those questioning the authenticity of the document have produced a shred of evidence that the information on it is incorrect. Instead, some speculate that somehow, maybe, he was born in another country and doesn't meet the Constitution's requirement that the president be a "natural-born citizen."
We think our colleagues at PolitiFact.com, who also dug into some of these loopy theories put it pretty well: "It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible. But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over."
In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:
Obama's birth announcement
The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger who grudgingly concluded that Obama "likely" was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu. Of course, it's distantly possible that Obama's grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.
Update, August 26: We received responses to some of our questions from the Hawaii Department of Health. They couldn't tell us anything about their security paper, but they did answer another frequently-raised question: why is Obama's father's race listed as "African"? Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father's race and mother's race are supplied by the parents, and that "we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be." We consider it reasonable to believe that Barack Obama, Sr., would have thought of and reported himself as "African." It's certainly not the slam dunk some readers have made it out to be.
When we asked about the security borders, which look different from some other examples of Hawaii certifications of live birth, Kurt said "The borders are generated each time a certified copy is printed. A citation located on the bottom left hand corner of the certificate indicates which date the form was revised." He also confirmed that the information in the short form birth certificate is sufficient to prove citizenship for "all reasonable purposes."
–by Jess Henig, with Joe Miller Sources United States Department of State. "Application for a U.S. Passport." Accessed 20 Aug. 2008.
State of Hawaii Department of Health. "Request for Certified Copy of Birth Record." Accessed 20 Aug. 2008.
Hollyfield, Amy. "Obama's Birth Certificate: Final Chapter." Politifact.com. 27 Jun. 2008.
The Associated Press. "State declares Obama birth certificate genuine" 31 Oct 2008.
Nakaso, Dan. "Obama's certificate of birth OK, state says; Health director issues voucher in response to 'ridiculous' barrage" Honolulu Advertiser 1 Nov 2008.
Honestly, if we're going to take back the country from this Karl Marx acolyte, we can't get caught up in talking about scandals based off apocryphal tales. That's what the idiots like the 9/11 truthers do--despite having had no sufficient evidence to prove anything in the first place, they continue blustering and yelling "cover-up!" and "the government doesn't want you to know!"
Sensible people relegate them to where they belong--the lunatic fringe. We can't win back America working from the lunatic fringe. The case against Obama can be made with ease using commonsense, statistics, and facts that you can see, touch, and quantify. THOSE weapons will win this country back, and the more time we get caught up in fruitlessly trying to challenge the constitutionality of this man's candidacy the less we spend making that case.
Spoken like a true newbie.
Signed up today to tell us this issue is now laid to rest because "FactCheck" says so? LOL.
Just signed up today, huh?
FactCheck- another Soros project?
Welcome to FR.
Take your left leaning crap else where. factcheck is a joke and so is obama’s atempt to BS the electorate with his birth status.
And we should accept what factcheck says, even though they are not forgery experts, and belong to Annenberg Foudation?
You are naive.
Welcome to FR, newbie
“Honestly, if we’re going to take back the country from this Karl Marx acolyte, we can’t get caught up in talking about scandals based off apocryphal tales.”
Oh give me a break. Go play somewhere else.
They could have a good start by having someone other than Factcheck.org, a bought and paid for media arm of the Democrat Party, look at what they claim is the original.
So produce it already, for all to see. The hard copy, front and center, for everyone to examine.
Until that happens, it’s just a charade.
Do a wiki on factcheck and anyone can see Obama was funded by the Annenberg Foundation (sponsor of FC.org) for the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.......the old lady running the foundation can say she voted for McQueeg all she wants, but we don’t really know for sure, do we? This could be just political cover for a supposedly ‘nonpartisan’ seal of approval. If there is a ‘real’ birth certificate, show it to me.
What hospital was listed on it? Which doctor signed it? Not on there? Hmmm. Then it is NOT the original.
Wait a second—poor, poor sucker troll.
Get your head out of your glass.
Well, if Annanburg/Factcheck says it’s okay, that settles it for me!
I’m also skeptical about this issue but I won’t consider “factcheck.”
Factcheck.org “just “happens” to be a part of Annenburg, which Obama “just happens” to be a former board member of. Not exactly a neutral party in this. A “Certificate of Live Birth” (dated 2007, hence a copy) which was examined, is not the same as an actual “vault copy” birth certificate—which lists the hospital, Dr., exact time of birth, weight, etc. of the baby.
The controversialists also point out that Hawaii in the ‘60s would actually issue COLB’s to parents of newborns born elsewhere.
Listen dufus, before you start calling us the lunatic fringe, you might want to ask yourself, why has Obama refused to provide an actual copy of his original BC for public review?
BOT, but nice try.
Just like John (The Rat-Bast*rd Snake) Kerry released his military records to only who he "KNEW" and trusted would not publish its contents, this smells to high heaven--or is it HELL.
I'll believe it when I see it with my own, lying eyes.
Are you working for FactCheck or for The Messianic Office of the President Elect?
The COLB on FactCheck, like the other COLBS posted on the net, is obviously a forgery, as the latest reports indicate.
Let me guess, you are a '98 logger with a change of name. /s
I think you are going to need a little more than the lead Obama appologist website Fact Check dot org to convince anyone here.
Either the more this story is around and/or the Obambians have to deal with means it it’s alive for a reason or it’s Rope A Dope by them to discredit crtics/skeptics.
so when did factcheck.org take the place of the SCOTUS to make this determination?
IBTZ? You must be really worried that your “Chosen One” is a fake.
Hey newb go play on the freeway oh and say hi to Obama for me im sure you are one of his stooges maybe even a house honky for him
Well, this website says “factcheck.org” is a campaign arm and is nothing but propoganda.
See, normal folks don’t just believe something on some website. That’s what 8th graders do.
No matter what “evidence” is produced, I believe Mr. Hussein Baraka Obama The Choosen One, was born in Kenya to an American mother and a British Father.
New here, huh?
You can post replies to the users here. We want to see your responses.
Tick, Tick, troll.
How many people are aware that Senator Obama has ties to Factcheck.org, the non-partisan political fact checking site, vis-a-vis the Annenberg Foundation? Or that the controversies surrounding Obama, such as his ties to Bill Ayers, a former member of the violent Vietnam War era Weather Underground terrorist group, and the veracity of Obamas birth certificate are both linked to Factcheck and Annenberg. Theres also news about the ongoing federal lawsuit involving Obamas birth certificate: how a U.S District Judge has thrown out Obamas attorneys Motion to Dismiss and ordered them to pony up the certificate post haste.
How come these guys just post and run drive by posters ?
FactCheck posted a forgery. Do a quick word search for poster Polarik at FR. You need to get up to snuff, if you’re going to address this issue intelligently. Obama has yet to prove a damned thing, except that he refuses to show his actual legal certification of birth (from Kenya it would appear).
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