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Welcome to the Police State: 20,000 uniformed troops inside U.S. by 2011
JihadWatch ^ | 12/1/08 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 12/01/2008 3:39:49 PM PST by Sammy67

It's for our own good

And it will be an Orwellian Police State, too: Thoughtcrime is already subject to ostracism and vilification, and what with the UN ready to codify it, and Obama signaling that he wants to increase the importance and influence of the UN, how long will it stay out of the U.S.?

And why is this necessary? Primarily "to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack." Of course, to call the Muslim community in America to account and compel it to stop teaching Sharia supremacism and hatred of Jews and Christians -- that would be "bigoted." Of course, to halt Muslim immigration in light of the impossibility of distinguishing peaceful Muslims from actual and potential jihadists -- that would be racist. Of course, even to institute some kind of screening of Muslims who enter the country in order to determine their adherence to Sharia principles and to make agitation for Islamic law (stonings, amputations, no free speech, no freedom of conscience, etc.) in this country grounds for deportation -- that would be "Islamophobic."

So if we can't do all that or even anything close to those things, what is left? What can we do? Why, become a Police State, with armed troops roaming

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Instead of defending our borders and removing the enemy within, we are forced into this?
1 posted on 12/01/2008 3:39:49 PM PST by Sammy67
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To: Sammy67

“Instead of defending our borders and removing the enemy within, we are forced into this?”

Not yet, brother....


2 posted on 12/01/2008 3:42:32 PM PST by jessduntno (Barack - Kenyan for "High Wind, Big Thunder, No Rain")
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To: Sammy67

they’ll might know what’s coming if the government doesn’t have enough to send out all those welfare checks.


3 posted on 12/01/2008 3:43:06 PM PST by MNDude
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To: Sammy67

I’m beginning to think that there may be something to that Mayan Armageddon prophecy in 2012.


4 posted on 12/01/2008 3:46:21 PM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: MNDude

Time to buy a couple of acres in the mountains like my buddy just did.


5 posted on 12/01/2008 3:46:29 PM PST by mowowie
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To: Sammy67
How many blanks will each soldier be issued, 3?

Keep them off our STREETS! It's a beginning to get us accustomed to
having them around and in our faces. Much like Gay parades and now,
gay marriage in court.

As I will support our military to my death, I will not support any military
personal running around our streets armed and uniformed for combat. HELL NO.

6 posted on 12/01/2008 3:49:13 PM PST by MaxMax (I'll welcome death when God calls me. Until then, the fight is on)
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To: bamahead

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7 posted on 12/01/2008 3:49:23 PM PST by KoRn
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To: mowowie

“Time to buy a couple of acres in the mountains like my buddy just did.”

Better to rent. You’ll have a lot less to lose when the government confiscates the property.


8 posted on 12/01/2008 3:49:47 PM PST by ChicagahAl (So your bumper sticker says: "Don't blame me, I didn't vote!"? Duh!)
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To: ChicagahAl

Good point.


9 posted on 12/01/2008 3:51:17 PM PST by mowowie
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To: Sammy67

These troops will be under the command of President Obama. Hope that gives everyone a warm feeling.


10 posted on 12/01/2008 3:52:48 PM PST by FFranco
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To: Sammy67

Doesn’t the Posse Comitatus act prevent this??


11 posted on 12/01/2008 3:54:39 PM PST by Cheesel (The Ark was built by amateurs, the Titanic by professionals.)
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To: Sammy67

Having seen the police (not the mayor) institute a curfew in Houston and the city of New Orleans confiscating guns, if a nuke goes off we will have no rights. No rights of travel. No rights of self defense. No rights.


12 posted on 12/01/2008 3:55:23 PM PST by weegee (Sec. of State Clinton. What kind of change is it to keep the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton Oligarchy?)
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To: ChicagahAl
Where were you, and what were you doing on the morning Janet Reno's thugs grabbed that Cuban kid?
13 posted on 12/01/2008 3:56:19 PM PST by An Old Man (Lead, Follow, or get the hell out of the way)
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To: Sammy67

Somehow the ole saying “Jack Booted Thugs” comes to mind.


14 posted on 12/01/2008 3:56:22 PM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: Cheesel

Obambi wants a civilian police force equal in size to our military. Seems he wants to do an end runaround posse comitatus.


15 posted on 12/01/2008 3:56:37 PM PST by weegee (Sec. of State Clinton. What kind of change is it to keep the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton Oligarchy?)
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To: Sammy67

In addition to providing Obama with another $350 billion dollars to continue with the nationalization of our economy, the Bush Administration is now providing Obama with U S Armed Forces to enforce obedience to his every command within the continental United States. The United States has been sold out by the socialist leftists within the republican party led by GWB.


16 posted on 12/01/2008 3:58:53 PM PST by brydic1
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To: FFranco

True, but engineered by the current president, GWB.


17 posted on 12/01/2008 4:00:05 PM PST by brydic1
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To: FFranco
These troops will be under the command of President Obama. Hope that gives everyone a warm feeling.

I’m not worried, almost all of them voted against Obama and will defend the constitution regardless of the administration.

Besides we may need them to remove Obama when its found he is not eligible to be POTUS.

18 posted on 12/01/2008 4:00:13 PM PST by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: brydic1
The United States has been sold out by the socialist leftists within the republican party led by GWB.

Err...Wha?

I'm thinking there are a whale of a lot more socialist leftists in the Socialist Leftist Democrat Party.

19 posted on 12/01/2008 4:01:27 PM PST by JennysCool (Internet Powerhouse)
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To: weegee

Hell, cops already don’t care about unconstitutional no-knock raids and killing pets and people and risking their own lives unnecessarily—we already have a Police State army. They just aren’t coordinated yet.


20 posted on 12/01/2008 4:01:31 PM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: usurper

By 2011, when this comes about, Obama will have expunged all conservatives of any kind from the leadership of the Armed Forces ala Bill Clinton.


21 posted on 12/01/2008 4:02:47 PM PST by brydic1
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To: JennysCool

Absolutely true, but unfortunately, it is this administration that is giving this authority to the next president.


22 posted on 12/01/2008 4:05:25 PM PST by brydic1
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To: Sammy67

Shouldn’t we contact our representatives about this?


23 posted on 12/01/2008 4:06:06 PM PST by ncpatriot
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To: Sammy67

On top of Bill Clinton’s “100,000 cops”?? Wow. Such numbers.


24 posted on 12/01/2008 4:06:27 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: Sammy67

Seeds for a second civil war.


25 posted on 12/01/2008 4:06:33 PM PST by Biggirl (BlessedAdventChristianNewYear2008-09=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: Sammy67

Is this in addition to Obama’s BlueShirts?


26 posted on 12/01/2008 4:07:36 PM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Sammy67
After all, the next terror threat could just as easily come from the local Methodist church as from the local mosque. Better have that Wesleyan Center adequately covered.

Freedom is lost. Better we have mass death in the streets than dare to call these Muslim fanatics the extremists they clearly are and meet the problem head on and deal with this deadly threat in a forcefully effective manner.

At least we can still do so on FR....for now.

27 posted on 12/01/2008 4:07:53 PM PST by citizen (Fascism: All persons, capital & activities exist to support the will & best interests of the State.)
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To: Sammy67
CORRECTION: We have lived in a virtual police state in the US for decades and it keeps getting worse every time our liberties are infringed upon.

I don't have a problem with the use of the military in matters of national security and defense, within or without our borders. In fact, protection of our sovereignty at the borders would be a great use of military might.

As for Posse Comitatus, that was an unconstitutional power grab by congress and an illegal ceding of power by the executive 130 years ago.

28 posted on 12/01/2008 4:09:18 PM PST by SerafinQ
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To: Cheesel
A “State of Emergency” or more honestly “Martial Law” trumps all other legal considerations.

hussein won't let a little thing like the law get in the way of his ascension to the emperor's throne.

I've got a sick feeling jug-ears plans to build his throne from a pile of corpses like his soul-brother mugabe did.

29 posted on 12/01/2008 4:09:21 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (There are 1510 days until marxist occupation ends. What are you doing to shorten the war?)
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To: Sammy67

Heck, the thought police are already all over the place, with lawyers to back them up.


30 posted on 12/01/2008 4:10:58 PM PST by P.O.E. (Big Government is the opiate of the masses.)
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To: Sammy67

Here is the Army Times concerning these troops. It isn’t like this person is reporting:

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/


31 posted on 12/01/2008 4:11:56 PM PST by stockpirate (nothing will preserve (liberty) but ..force. ..you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined PH)
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To: Sammy67

As it has been said, this will make a new civil war a reality.


32 posted on 12/01/2008 4:14:08 PM PST by Biggirl (BlessedAdventChristianNewYear2008-09=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: Skywalk
Kenneth City delays decision on neatness ordinance[FL][Private Property Rights] ()

The proposal basically sets standards for upkeep and appearance and gives town officials the right to enter homes. If the owner refuses to allow the official to enter, the town can go to a judge for an "administrative search warrant" to allow access to the interior of buildings. Violations would cost up to $250 a day.

33 posted on 12/01/2008 4:14:29 PM PST by weegee (Sec. of State Clinton. What kind of change is it to keep the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton Oligarchy?)
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To: weegee

I was amazed it flew through without resistance. I bet most don’t even know it exist.


34 posted on 12/01/2008 4:15:28 PM PST by Orange1998
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To: Skywalk

“we already have a Police State”

Yes. The Police State is necessary to enforce the Welfare State.

Remember that Clinton supposedly added 50,000 new police officers. Apparently they aren’t out on the streets enforcing the law. Many of them are sitting in front of computer screens, watching...what? who?


35 posted on 12/01/2008 4:15:39 PM PST by ChicagahAl (So your bumper sticker says: "Don't blame me, I didn't vote!"? Duh!)
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To: Sammy67
US Army manual on domestic intervention Donald Sensing
36 posted on 12/01/2008 4:16:30 PM PST by decimon
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To: Sammy67

The first deployment began on Oct. 1, 2008 by the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team....

Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/


37 posted on 12/01/2008 4:18:24 PM PST by deport
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To: Sammy67

My papers, please? Ugh. To help prevent terrorism? I’m struggling to see how this force would have deterred the 9/11 terrorists. 20,000 uniformed troops. Alrighty then...


38 posted on 12/01/2008 4:21:09 PM PST by fortunecookie (Please pray for Anna, age 7, who waits for a new kidney.)
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To: Cheesel
You might be too young to remember the good old days. This is the 101st Airborne in Arkansas.
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39 posted on 12/01/2008 4:21:22 PM PST by ansel12 ( When a conservative pundit mocks Wasilla, he's mocking conservatism as it's actually lived.)
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To: Sammy67

20,000 troops? That’s chump change.

We got over 50,000 right here at Ft Bragg, thousands more Marines out on the coast and a few thousand airman at Seymore Johnson AFB.

Also noticed 6,000 of the 20,000 is Chem/Bio/Nuke teams from the Reserves and NG.

Better to have a plan and not need it than to need it and not have the plan.


40 posted on 12/01/2008 4:23:10 PM PST by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: Cheesel
Doesn’t the Posse Comitatus act prevent this??

So? This is Democrats we speak of here.

41 posted on 12/01/2008 4:24:11 PM PST by Ingtar (For the first time in my adult life, I am NOT proud of America.)
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To: Cheesel

“Posse Comitatus act prevent this??”

Yes it prevents our government from using our wn troops on us, but not to aid us in a disaster.

The question is will our own troops fire on us?


42 posted on 12/01/2008 4:30:01 PM PST by stockpirate (nothing will preserve (liberty) but ..force. ..you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined PH)
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To: JennysCool

“m thinking there are a whale of a lot more socialist leftists in the Socialist Leftist Democrat Party.”

While your statement is very true, this group didn’t sell anyone out. But the Compassionate Conservatives aka Republican Socialists did in fact sell us out by pretending to be one of us.

And GWB heads the list.


43 posted on 12/01/2008 4:33:57 PM PST by stockpirate (nothing will preserve (liberty) but ..force. ..you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined PH)
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To: weegee
. . .if a nuke goes off we will have no rights. No rights of travel. No rights of self defense. No rights.

Are you sure you're on the right discussion board?

We will have the right of self-defense, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and and all the rest. These are inherent human rights not grants from the government. That is why the Bill of Rights is phrased as forbidding Congress from infringing these rights. We would just be in a state of nature vis-a-vis a tyrannical government, and would have to exercise our natural right of self-defense against its minions.

44 posted on 12/01/2008 4:39:20 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: ansel12

But they couldn’t make arrests. That was for the US Marshals.


45 posted on 12/01/2008 4:41:27 PM PST by decimon
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To: stockpirate
“Posse Comitatus act prevent this??”

Yes it prevents our government from using our wn troops on us...

Don't bet on that. Check the link in post #36.

46 posted on 12/01/2008 4:45:24 PM PST by decimon
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To: Skywalk
The American people better pay attention to what the government is doing in the name of security. I have to question the wisdom of leaving our borders wide open and deploying 20k troops inside our borders for security reasons. Maybe these troops are really being brought in to control the angry citizens who rise against the government when they realize the politicians bankrupted the treasury.
47 posted on 12/01/2008 4:53:57 PM PST by peeps36 ( Al Gore. Is A Big Fat Lying Hypocrite. He Pollutes The Air By Opening His Big Mouth)
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To: Sammy67
Exactly, but we must show we are not bigots by hiring the Islamic "militants" as the internal police officers.

Special Islamic Police Force

48 posted on 12/01/2008 5:11:14 PM PST by ricks_place
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To: Sammy67
Only American citizens are to conform...


49 posted on 12/01/2008 5:49:40 PM PST by hope (the socialist msm result is mind-numb O-bots)
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To: MaxMax
"As I will support our military to my death, I will not support any military personal running around our streets armed and uniformed for combat. HELL NO."

Precisely the way I feel.

50 posted on 12/01/2008 5:55:10 PM PST by Czar ((Still Fed Up to the Teeth with Washington))
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