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info on missing Keyes/Obama debate tape
democratic disaster.com ^ | unknown | jaxright

Posted on 12/02/2008 9:12:20 AM PST by OL Hickory

1st post:(keep in mind jaxright is a newbee as stated)

I was looking for a video that I ran across recently from the 2004 Keyes/Obama Senate race debates where Keyes stated :"You are not even a Natural born citizen" to which Barack Obama replied: "That's OK, I am not running for president, I am only running for Senate."

Has anyone else seen this? I can't seem to find it again.

follow blog down to end..response from Keyes

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TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: allen; birthcertificate; keyes; obama; obamacon; obamatransitionfile; obamatruthfile; stbc; tape; video
Re-direction of spotlight away from real facts
1 posted on 12/02/2008 9:12:21 AM PST by OL Hickory
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To: OL Hickory

What’s the rule on a Senator? Natural born is not a requirement?


2 posted on 12/02/2008 9:13:08 AM PST by romanesq
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To: OL Hickory
Welcome to FR, fellow Jerseyan.

I had not heard of this tape, but it is very interesting indeed. Thanks for the info.

BUMP for later reading!!

3 posted on 12/02/2008 9:14:51 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.)
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To: pissant

PING!!!


4 posted on 12/02/2008 9:16:02 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.)
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To: OL Hickory

not even a Natural born citizen” :MSM it’s ok he’s one of ours.


5 posted on 12/02/2008 9:16:45 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: OL Hickory

I’d image any copies of this debate would have been lost, if this is true.

Thanks.


6 posted on 12/02/2008 9:16:59 AM PST by veracious
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To: OL Hickory

Wild goose chase


7 posted on 12/02/2008 9:17:04 AM PST by Reagan79 (Ralph Stanley & The Clinch Mountain Boys)
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To: Reagan79

what he says in the second debate is that he is not running for Minister..or something like that..near the end.


8 posted on 12/02/2008 9:19:09 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: OL Hickory

I spent hour looking for this ..now I find out it never existed


9 posted on 12/02/2008 9:20:43 AM PST by OL Hickory (hear that sound..its a hammer hitting the nail on its head!!)
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To: OL Hickory
Here's the response at the end of the thread:

Charles,

Your instincts are right. That exchange never happened. It was the invention of somebody on the internet, one which seems to have sort of taken on a life of its own.

Thanks for your diligence in getting at the truth.

Tom Hoefling
Chairman, America's Independent Party
Chairman, Alan Keyes for President 2008
www.selfgovernment.us
www.AIPNEWS.com
www.AlanKeyes.com

I'm not really understanding the point of this thread, since Keyes' campaign chairman says the exchange in question never happened.

10 posted on 12/02/2008 9:22:26 AM PST by browardchad
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To: browardchad

Exactly...someone has been posting on FR about this..
I wasted countless hours looking for something that never existed...I just wanted to enlighten others


11 posted on 12/02/2008 9:23:54 AM PST by OL Hickory (hear that sound..its a hammer hitting the nail on its head!!)
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To: Reagan79

and fake too....

******************* - from the link.

I must agree with others here who say or imply that ‘the tape’ is a hoax. I sent an email to Alan Keyes’ website, stating I’d heard of an exchange between Keyes and Obama in which Obama had made this admission, but that I suspected it hadn’t happened. I got the following response from Tom Hoefling:

Charles,

Your instincts are right. That exchange never happened. It was the invention of somebody on the internet, one which seems to have sort of taken on a life of its own.

Thanks for your diligence in getting at the truth.

Tom Hoefling
Chairman, America’s Independent Party
Chairman, Alan Keyes for President 2008
www.selfgovernment.us
www.AIPNEWS.com
www.AlanKeyes.com


12 posted on 12/02/2008 9:24:02 AM PST by jjm2111 (Are we going to have a Daily Dose of McCain?)
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To: romanesq
What’s the rule on a Senator? Natural born is not a requirement?

Nope. Mel Martinez comes to mind.

13 posted on 12/02/2008 9:28:18 AM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: buccaneer81

Okay thought not so thanks for the clarification.


14 posted on 12/02/2008 9:29:02 AM PST by romanesq
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To: buccaneer81

So does Schumer of NY and Boxer of CA! /s/


15 posted on 12/02/2008 9:36:40 AM PST by NOBAMA in 08 ( OBIE HUSSEIN is a Pathetic Puppet of Bill Ayers and Associates!)
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To: OL Hickory

Free Republic is the great debunking site! Forget Snopes.com and the Mainstream media!!


16 posted on 12/02/2008 9:38:15 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Join the Constitution Party)
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To: OL Hickory

When I had some spare time this weekend after reading about this, I found the transcripts of the 3 debates on Keyes website and skimmed all three and didn’t see any sort of exchange like this.

I’m still hoping somebody, somewhere in the good ole USA will have standing with the SCOTUS. This whole thing just makes me mad.


17 posted on 12/02/2008 9:41:15 AM PST by Qwackertoo
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To: Qwackertoo
"I’m still hoping somebody, somewhere in the good ole USA will have standing with the SCOTUS. This whole thing just makes me mad."

Did they throw out Keyes' lawsuit? What about Donofrio's?

18 posted on 12/02/2008 10:02:30 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.)
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To: OL Hickory

This is like the Canadian birth certificate, put out by Obama people to set up the opposition, and knock them down, embarrassing and belittling people who don’t think Obama is a citizen. Of course, this whole ordeal could be settled easily enough, but Obama doesn’t want to go there.


19 posted on 12/02/2008 10:18:14 AM PST by pallis
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To: romanesq

Probably a good analogy, though a Governorship is the way you have Arnold S. out in California, so yes, there seems to be different laws for these offices. I think a Senator too, can become one at a younger age than the Presidential requirement of 35 y.o.


20 posted on 12/02/2008 10:38:48 AM PST by RGPII
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To: Qwackertoo

As much as I’d welcome the cited exchange from the story I think, we are led to believe this happened during something like a commercial or a camera break. It may have but we need something more than at least the story I have heard that it seems like it was said off-camera. If there are other witnesses, those would work well. You’d think for a debate between Senate candidates, a recording would be running the whole time.


21 posted on 12/02/2008 10:41:31 AM PST by RGPII
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To: RGPII

In line for President, where does the Senate Majority leader stand in line?
That would be wild if he was ineligible in a circumstance and it had to go to say the Minority Senate leader.

I’m not wising to see that though. Not in my lifetime.


22 posted on 12/02/2008 12:03:43 PM PST by romanesq
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To: OL Hickory

Here it is: http://www.keyesarchives.com/main.swf?clip=041021debate


23 posted on 12/02/2008 4:01:32 PM PST by kingphilip2 (I'll show you mine if you show me yours..)
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To: romanesq
What’s the rule on a Senator? Natural born is not a requirement?

That is correct. Only the President and Vice President, need be natural born citizens. Senators must be citizens, but naturalized is ok. But they must have been a citizen for at least 9 years upon election, and they must be at least 30 years old upon election. For Representatives its 25 years old and 7 years a citizen. Both must be inhabitents of the state from which they are chosen.

24 posted on 12/02/2008 6:09:03 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Reagan79
Wild goose chase

People have been known to catch, or shoot, wild geese. Never shot one myself, only ducks, pheasant and quail. (Plus bunny and tree rat).

25 posted on 12/02/2008 6:10:34 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: kingphilip2

bookmark video of Keyes debate with Obama


26 posted on 12/04/2008 9:54:30 AM PST by i_dont_chat
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