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Where is John Galt?
Evil Conservative Radio ^ | 05 Apr 09 | EC

Posted on 04/05/2009 6:38:11 AM PDT by nysuperdoodle

All readers of Ayn Rand's masterpiece, Atlas Shrugged, know its central question, "Who is John Galt?"

Written over half a century ago, it is clearly the greatest and most influential novel of the 20th century. Over six million copies have been sold, averaging 77,000 copies per year in the 1980s, 90,000 in the 1990s, 137,000 in the 00s - until recently.

200,000 copies were sold in 2008, and sales so far this year are at triple those of last year. This is because, according to the Ayn Rand Institute, "there are uncanny similarities between the plot-line of the book and the events of our day."

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1 posted on 04/05/2009 6:38:12 AM PDT by nysuperdoodle
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To: nysuperdoodle

ping for later


2 posted on 04/05/2009 6:44:29 AM PDT by NCBraveheart (My inner child is a mean little SOB)
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To: nysuperdoodle

ping for later


3 posted on 04/05/2009 6:44:30 AM PDT by NCBraveheart (My inner child is a mean little SOB)
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To: nysuperdoodle
I've never understood the Any Rand thing. Adam Smith said it better and with fewer words.

I tend to agree with the Randites, but it's all a little too L. Ron Hubbard for me.

4 posted on 04/05/2009 6:46:34 AM PDT by foutsc (Nietzsche is Dead)
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To: nysuperdoodle

“Atlas Shrugged” is not a fun read but if people are still reading English in 500 years this is one of the few books from the 20th century that will still exist.


5 posted on 04/05/2009 6:49:04 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Be There >>> http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com)
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To: nysuperdoodle

He’s being tortured.


6 posted on 04/05/2009 6:49:47 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: nysuperdoodle

I read this years ago.

I had a business that did 4 million a year. It got to be so much hassle I shut it down and work by myself now.

I have a lot more time to do what I want.

I see others doing the same.


7 posted on 04/05/2009 6:49:59 AM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: nysuperdoodle

“Who is John Galt?”, will be prominently displayed on one of my signs at the tea-party, in front of the Capitol Building in Michigan. Also going to work in a sign saying FREE the REPUBLIC.

It is going to be a hoot!


8 posted on 04/05/2009 6:51:55 AM PDT by David Isaac
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To: nysuperdoodle
From the artticle:

Rand was a Platonist at heart. She lived not in the real world (like Aristotle did), but in Plato's world

You mean, like me and Middle Earth?

9 posted on 04/05/2009 6:52:23 AM PDT by Old Sarge ("Remember, remember, the Fourth of November, the Socialist treason and plot...")
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To: foutsc
I tend to agree with the Randites, but it's all a little too L. Ron Hubbard for me.

That's absurd.

10 posted on 04/05/2009 6:54:41 AM PDT by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: cowboyway

“greatest and most influential novel of the 20th century”

That statement is rubbish.


11 posted on 04/05/2009 7:11:01 AM PDT by Patrick1 (I'm not calling in sick; I'm calling in gone!)
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To: Patrick1
I make my argument again that Americans don't go John Galt, they go postal.

Historic example. The Russians burned Moscow to keep it from being taken by Napoleon, Andrew Jackson slaughtered two thousand British to keep New Orleans from being burned.

12 posted on 04/05/2009 7:13:03 AM PDT by Patrick1 (I'm not calling in sick; I'm calling in gone!)
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To: Patrick1
That statement is rubbish.

What do you think is the most influential novel of the 20th century?

13 posted on 04/05/2009 7:13:45 AM PDT by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: cowboyway

Milton Freedman’s “Free to Choose” to start.


14 posted on 04/05/2009 7:15:11 AM PDT by Patrick1 (I'm not calling in sick; I'm calling in gone!)
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To: cowboyway

If that doesn’t do it for you how about William F. Buckley’s “God and Man at Yale”.


15 posted on 04/05/2009 7:16:30 AM PDT by Patrick1 (I'm not calling in sick; I'm calling in gone!)
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To: Patrick1
I make my argument again that Americans don't go John Galt, they go postal.

There are plenty of people 'Gulching', as they say.

I've been giving it some serious thought myself..............

16 posted on 04/05/2009 7:16:31 AM PDT by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: Patrick1

Free to Choose - that’s a novel?


17 posted on 04/05/2009 7:19:54 AM PDT by nysuperdoodle
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To: Patrick1

That also isn’t a novel..... I think that other poster may have you on the “novel” requirement. Novels are fiction


18 posted on 04/05/2009 7:21:35 AM PDT by nysuperdoodle
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To: nysuperdoodle; aynrandfreak; PGalt; BradyLS; DoctorMichael; bruinbirdman; RobFromGa; Dagny&Hank; ...

bump and ping

“One of the methods used by statists to destroy capitalism consists in establishing controls that tie a given industry hand and foot, making it unable to solve its problems, then declaring that freedom has failed and stronger controls are necessary.” — Ayn Rand

Also see:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2222495/posts


19 posted on 04/05/2009 7:21:37 AM PDT by FreeKeys (When morons are allowed to vote public policy is shaped by demagoguery, not the facts of reality.)
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To: nysuperdoodle
Where is John Galt?

Like Prince Charming he is a figure of myth that people wait for rather then rolling up their sleeves and getting to work themselves on their problems.

The "Great and Perfect Leader that shall unite us all" does not exist either. We have to work with what we have.

The sooner we learn this the better off we will be.

20 posted on 04/05/2009 7:22:53 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (When you're spinning round, things come undone. Welcome to Earth 3rd rock from the Sun!)
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To: Patrick1
If that doesn’t do it for you how about William F. Buckley’s “God and Man at Yale”.

There are a couple of key words in the statement about Atlas Shrugged: influential and novel.

God and Man at Yale and Free To Choose are no where near as high in sales as Atlas Shrugged (influence) and I don't believe either one would be considered 'novels'.

21 posted on 04/05/2009 7:24:03 AM PDT by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: nysuperdoodle

Good point. As far as novel’s go I will go with Catcher in the Rye or Grapes of Wrath.


22 posted on 04/05/2009 7:25:19 AM PDT by Patrick1 (I'm not calling in sick; I'm calling in gone!)
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To: foutsc
I tend to agree with the Randites, but it's all a little too L. Ron Hubbard for me.

Adam Smith did say it better, but both books are completely different. One is a fiction (at least it was until Nov 4th), one is non fiction.

Your second comment about L. Ron Hubbard is without a once of sense

Have that second cup of coffee :)

23 posted on 04/05/2009 7:25:48 AM PDT by Popman (One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three is a Congress - John Adams)
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To: cowboyway

Ever heard of Joyce? Faulkner? Nabokov?


24 posted on 04/05/2009 7:26:39 AM PDT by Borges
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To: cowboyway

I would say that both Freedman and Buckley were far more influential than anything Anne Rynd ever wrote. Since the policies promoted in both books were actually put into action by Ronald Reagan.

I didn’t know sales was the basis of influence after all checkers sells more than chess.


25 posted on 04/05/2009 7:27:59 AM PDT by Patrick1 (I'm not calling in sick; I'm calling in gone!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
The "Great and Perfect Leader that shall unite us all" does not exist either. We have to work with what we have.

Don't be so hasty, harmless.

Out of the ashes arises the phoenix. I'm sure that there is a William Wallace or Patrick Henry out there somewhere.

It could be you...........................

26 posted on 04/05/2009 7:30:18 AM PDT by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: Patrick1

One word: NOVEL


27 posted on 04/05/2009 7:32:18 AM PDT by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: FreeKeys
She's right on that.
28 posted on 04/05/2009 7:33:28 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Obama wants to put the same crowd that ran Fannie Mae in charge of health care)
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To: nysuperdoodle; Republican Extremist; Boucheau; betsyross60; kalee; shezza; fanfan; wfu_deacons; ...
STARVE THE BEAST!

Atlas Shrugged ping!

Where is John Galt?

Thus true patriotism begins with you. It begins with all of us. Ayn Rand was a monumental genius. She saw clearly the consequences of fascist anti-capitalist liberalism in the halcyon days of the 1950s. We are now in 2009 living in the world of Atlas Shrugged - but without John Galt.

Unless each of us takes responsibility for our own fate and chooses to be our own John Galt. Look inside yourself. That's where you'll find him.


29 posted on 04/05/2009 7:35:33 AM PDT by jellybean (Who is John Galt? ~ Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org for when FR is down)
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To: Borges
Ever heard of Joyce? Faulkner? Nabokov?

Quite.

I like Joyce; we share that Irish blood and Faulkner, a fellow Southerner, is one of my favorites.

But I have to agree that Atlas Shrugged influenced me more than either Joyce or Faulkner.

30 posted on 04/05/2009 7:40:05 AM PDT by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: Patrick1
I will go with Catcher in the Rye

An absolutely completely over rated piece of crap. That and nearly anything by Hemingway....

L

31 posted on 04/05/2009 7:42:46 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: cowboyway

These debates pop up on all the Rand threads.

She wasn’t a great writer like many of the authors that are often listed - but her “idea” for her novel was fantastic.


32 posted on 04/05/2009 7:45:48 AM PDT by Scotswife (GO ISRAEL!!!)
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To: David Isaac
“Who is John Galt?”, will be prominently displayed on one of my signs

I'm thinking about two front-runners....."Barack in '08, Broke in '09" as well as "Stop enslaving my grandkids".

33 posted on 04/05/2009 7:46:50 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Real "arrogance" is enslaving MY grandkids for Zero's utopia)
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To: cowboyway
Ever heard of Joyce? Faulkner? Nabokov?

But I have to agree that Atlas Shrugged influenced me more than either Joyce or Faulkner.


I don't know. We have LOTS of drunks and pedophiles...
34 posted on 04/05/2009 7:48:03 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Requiescat In Pace)
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To: FreeKeys
“One of the methods used by statists to destroy capitalism consists in establishing controls that tie a given industry hand and foot, making it unable to solve its problems, then declaring that freedom has failed and stronger controls are necessary.” — Ayn Rand

Whooo! Ain't that the truth! Drudge has it that the Administration won't take back TARP money so they can keep control over the banks. And I hear the banks were given little-to-no choice about the matter when the TARP money was "offered" in the first place!

35 posted on 04/05/2009 7:48:15 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: jellybean
Look inside yourself. That's where you'll find him.

QFT

36 posted on 04/05/2009 7:49:36 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: nysuperdoodle

We are not in need of John Galt, what the country needs is Alexander Hamilton, Ben Franklin, George Washington.

While the book is a great read, I’ve read it three times, it’s solution is no longer viaable.


37 posted on 04/05/2009 7:52:14 AM PDT by stockpirate ("When governments fear the people, there is liberty. " T. Jefferson)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Like Prince Charming he is a figure of myth that people wait for rather then rolling up their sleeves and getting to work themselves on their problems. The "Great and Perfect Leader that shall unite us all" does not exist either. We have to work with what we have.

In "Atlas Shrugged", Galt is not a leader, he is the man who says "no" to the socialists by going away. He encourages other productive individuals, men of the mind, to walk away from their work; to disappear, and thus deny the socialists the real capital on which they need to feed; the ability of the individual to think and produce.

38 posted on 04/05/2009 7:57:18 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd: ON)
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To: FreeKeys
"One of the methods used by statists to destroy capitalism consists in establishing controls that tie a given industry hand and foot, making it unable to solve its problems, then declaring that freedom has failed and stronger controls are necessary.” — Ayn Rand"

'Esthétique du Mal' (The Beauty of Evil)

39 posted on 04/05/2009 8:06:14 AM PDT by elfman2 (TheRightReasons.net - Reasoning CONSERVATIVES without the kooks.)
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To: Scotswife
"She wasn’t a great writer like many of the authors that are often listed - but her “idea” for her novel was fantastic."

Bingo! Well said. Some of her ideas may or may not be flawed, but some are unique (as in Objectivism's epistemology).

Her integration of it all with in a broad philosophy is revolutionary. And like all revolutionary ideas, it's easily misunderstood, especially by those who don't like what they hear and choose to misunderstand it.

41 posted on 04/05/2009 8:19:09 AM PDT by elfman2 (TheRightReasons.net - Reasoning CONSERVATIVES without the kooks.)
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To: nysuperdoodle

Almost all the people who might have been John Galt have gone through 12+ years of our schooling system. They’re no longer a threat to Obama and his minions.


42 posted on 04/05/2009 8:26:16 AM PDT by AZLiberty (I hope Obama changes.)
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To: nysuperdoodle

John Galt is dead.


43 posted on 04/05/2009 8:27:52 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: mad_as_he$$

411.com has 68 listings for John Galt.

But I take your point.


44 posted on 04/05/2009 8:41:27 AM PDT by esoteric
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To: cowboyway
I am not perfect. :)

And that is the problem, there are plenty of leaders out there but they are not perfect either. They have their own strong points and weak points like any other human.

The key is to put their talents to use where they shine and discretely overlook the areas where they do not. John Adams would have been a lousy general, Washington was not much of a lawyer, Pat Henry was not a good fund raiser.

45 posted on 04/05/2009 8:50:36 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (When you're spinning round, things come undone. Welcome to Earth 3rd rock from the Sun!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Where is John Galt? Like Prince Charming he is a figure of myth that people wait for rather then rolling up their sleeves and getting to work themselves on their problems.

The point of John Galt is not for us to sit on our asses and wait to be rescued. The point is to show us that, ultimately, we, the people, are responsible for our own outcome. He was an example...he showed just how far we'd have to roll up our sleeves to "git 'er done". My sleeves are up to my elbows, pretty soon I'll be sleeveless! But, I will roll up my own sleeves, and I'll get 'er done myself.

Waiting to be rescued by the gov is like waiting to be rescued from the Titanic....the only ones who survived were the ones who took to the lifeboats and rowed like hell!

46 posted on 04/05/2009 8:52:59 AM PDT by blu (Last one out of Michigan, please turn off the lights.)
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To: foutsc
I've never understood the Any Rand thing. Adam Smith said it better and with fewer words.
I tend to agree with the Randites, but it's all a little too L. Ron Hubbard for me.

It's a great novel demonstrating the evils of collectivism.

It celebrates rugged individualism while disparaging the mediocrity of "group think" and consensus.


47 posted on 04/05/2009 9:14:31 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin "The Iron Lady of the North")
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To: nysuperdoodle
Who is Ragnar Danneskjold?

He used retaliatory force against the looters.

48 posted on 04/05/2009 10:07:07 AM PDT by mjp (Live & let live. I don't want to live in Mexico, Marxico, or Muslimico. Statism & high taxes suck)
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To: mjp
Who is Ragnar Danneskjold? He used retaliatory force against the looters

I wouldn't agree. He wasn't retaliating so much as he was recovering.

Wait, I'm thinking about that, maybe you're right. Not all his actions resulted in the recovery of wealth. Some were just punitive.

49 posted on 04/05/2009 10:21:23 AM PDT by blu (Last one out of Michigan, please turn off the lights.)
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To: stockpirate
We are not in need of John Galt, what the country needs is Alexander Hamilton, Ben Franklin, George Washington.
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I'm sure they would be sickened at what we, the people have let happen and are continuing to let happen to the Republic they gave us. The Constitution and Bill of Rights are simple to understand, yet they pretty much covered everything to help us keep the Republic.
We got lazy. It was stolen bit by bit and now we finally wake up and realize it's nearly gone. Tea parties are great, we have to start somewhere, but look what has been done in 2 months. Tea parties are stopping nothing. My God people, we have the potus firing people at GM, taking over the banks, talking about nuclear disarmament while Iran and North Korea are acquiring them... I could go on and on. This was all planned and they know they have to move fast so that it can be accomplished before too many people catch on.
We can't look to the party for help. Not unless we have new blood in there. Most of them are weak or corrupt and that includes Democrats and Republicans. Now with ACORN, the Unions, census, do you honestly believe we will have fair elections? Look at the Coleman and Franken race. Next time they will make damn sure it's not that close so they can easily steal it.
Corruption, fraud runs rampant from the coast of California all the way to Washington DC. I am having a harder time each day seeing any hope for this country. Too many years have been spent digging this hole and we are in it and don't know how to get out. Look at who is the happiest right now and that tells it all, the CPUSA
50 posted on 04/05/2009 10:25:09 AM PDT by mojitojoe ( Idiots elected a Marxist ideologue with narcissistic personality disorder & America is dying.)
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