Posted on 04/22/2009 10:25:25 AM PDT by Welcome2thejungle
I have often thought the term 'facist' is used a little too freely, more often than not by liberals and leftists who have called me a fascist on many occaisions. I have even seen BHO referred to as a fascist by conservatives, some here on this website.
I think fascism is all too often confused with socialism. Although they have much in common, fascism and socialism are not twins, but they are cousins. Both ideologies originated in Europe and both ideologies advocate a strong, powerful central government which controls the economy and many other facets of the state as well.
There are, however, significant differences between the two ideologies. Socialism advocates government ownership of the leading industries of the nation, fascism allows for private ownership of large corporations so long as they do what they are told. Socialism promotes secularism, fascism often seeks the support of the Church. Fascism is also usually very supportive of the military and nationalistic in nature, whereas socialists are generally more internationalists in their world view and approach.
Because of my strong patriotism, strong support of the Church, and strong support of the military and law enforcement, I have often been called a fascist by many on the the Left. Members of patriotic organizations such as the John Birch Society and prominent conservative talk show hosts such as Rush Limbaugh are also labelled as fascists.
This is all because there are certain elements of fascism which have conservative characteristics including a strong support for law and order, a strong military, religious and patriotic values. However, fascism also has a lot in common with with socialism with its strong emphasis on an all-powerful state to guide and control all aspects of the society, especially the economy.
Most fascist regimes operating in the world can be founding in Moslem societies because Islam itself is more of an ideology than it is a religion. A number of decades ago there used to be a number of fascist-like regimes operating in Latin America including Stroessner in Paraguay, Pinochet in Chile, Peron in Argentina etc. Today there are none. In Europe, Spain under Franco, Italy under Mussolini, France under Petain, Hungary under Horthy, and Portugal under Salazar were arch-type fascist regimes. Today there are none. There were certainly some fascistic characteristics to Nazi Germany, however that totalitarian regime's militant secularism and violent ambition to brutally eliminate all ethnic minorities such as Jews and Roma (Gypsies) was not typically shared by most other fascist regimes. In fact, Italy, even under Mussolini, hid Jews from the Nazis as did Pope Pius XII who has been much maligned by liberals wishing to malign the Church and the Papacy.
This brings us to BHO. Is he in fact a socialist? When you consider the government's current plans to take over the financial, health insurance, automobile, and energy industries. When you consider the massive stimulus bill and federal budget recently passed by Congress which dramatically increases the size and scope of the federal government like nothing we've seen since the 1930s. When you consider BHO's background as a Saul Alinsky trained community organizer and close associations with CPUSA member Frank Marshall Davis, Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers, and wacky left wing religious leaders such as Rev. Wright and Fr. Pfleger. When you consider how closely BHO is loved and admired in socialist Europe and by socialist dictators in our own hemisphere such as Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales, and Daniel Ortega. Well of course BHO is a socialist as are most people in his Party. But he is ceratinly not a fascist so I don't know why that particular term is bandied about so freely.
I think if Political Science were taught as follows it would be a lot easier understood:
Nationalist Socialists are Nazis.
Internationalist Socialists are Communists.
American Socialists are Democrats.
All are 100% govt control, it matters not, its symantics.
The video is a description of the 5 supposed forms of government, from 100% government control (Communism, fascism, totalitarianism etc) to 0% government (anarchy) it obliterates all forms of government as only temporary and futile except for 2, oligarchy and republic. It does this in a clear concise manner, which effectively shows even a grade schooler about them. It then, in the last few moments, explains Rome, its beginning as a republic, and its morph into a democracy. The parallels are well put, and clearly where this country is today. It is an excellent way to spread the word to those who have never been taught proper history, and that is alot of people since they have been re writing it for so long now.
I have been posting this sucker all over all day, and sometimes I forget that some are stuck at work, so I have included the above basic description of the video, however it does not do the video justice. I beg, implore and urge all to view it who have not. THIS is the reason we are so angry. Taxes are a symptom, losing our republic is the disease!!!!!
http://www.marchforliberty.org/multimedialinks.html
He is an islamofacist communist! You can be both!
Fascists seek to control the means of production. In von Mises's day, this was by million-mark fines. Now it's by cap-and-trade.
Socialist means one or the other of these, the definition isn't fixed.
Both of them are totalitarian ideologies: denying the concept of property, equality under the law and public accountability.
He a doo-doo head!
Fascism and Socialism are intertwined ideologies, both using government control of private enterprise to achieve a Socialist goal.
Describing Obamunism as FASCISM is appropriate, as Fascism is blatant political corruption, in a nutshell. Socialism seeks to CONTROL the Economy, while the other seeks to live off of it like a parasite, for the personal gain of the controllers.
If you want to see how it all ties together, read “The Vampire Economy-Doing Business under Fascism.” by Gunter Reimann, from 1939 Germany, a study of the actual workings of business under national socialism. Reimann discusses the effects of heavy regulation, inflation, price controls, trade interference, national economic planning, and attacks on private property, and what consequences they had for human rights and economic development.
This is a subject rarely discussed and for reasons that are discomforting. As much as the left hatesthe social and cultural agenda of the Nazis, the economic agenda fits straight into the pattern of Liberal Socialism that has emerged in America. His study provides historical understanding and frightening look at the consequences of state economic management.
The PRIMARY Difference between Obamunist Fascism, and Hitlerite National Socialism, is the militarism. BOTH use racism as a tool, and a bludgeon.
Actually, he is an interesting paradigm of a Nationalist and a Socialist... a Social Nationalist maybe?
Didn’t he refer to himself as a mutt? So he’s a combo of lots of stuff.
I did not say they were not accurate, I said it was symantics as all are 100% government control, or oligarchies.
If you have not already, please view the 10 minute video I linked. It is most helpful in understanding this, as well as an effective tool for add riddled liberals to at least try and view, as well as for parents to show their schoolage children so we can stop this madness starting with them.
“liberals and leftists who have called me a fascist on many occaisions”
It amazes me to see libs use “FASCIST!” as an insult, when that is EXACTLY what they are pining and working toward. And it goes to the heart of the problem, in my opinion.
A dumbed-down electorate, with no knowledge of history. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
He’s a fascist.
Get back to us when his Brownshirt movement is fully under way.
How about statist, totalitarian, collectivist, authoritarian, tyrant, (or a few others that include being preceded or followed by words that are of a four letter nature? I wouldn’t be too concerned about labels, because when you get right down to it whatever he is/claims to be it ain’t anything good.
You are wrong by your own score card.
Obama doesn't want state ownership of all business (too much work). He just wants controlling interest and the ability to pick the players. Just like the fascists.
I can see where the issue of the church confuses you, but that's because you don't recognize the Left's religion as a church. The do in fact demand allegiance to Global Warming, Environmentalism, Multiculturalism, etc. and they treat the lack of it as blasphemy.
On the last point of nationalism vs. internationalism, I disagree. Hitler didn't center his ideas on Germans, he centered it on Arians. The Arian concept was very transnational (although restrictive), as shown by its many international adherents. Meanwhile, Stalin's USSR was all about Mother Russia.
I forgot to add:
The next time someone calls you a fascist, break their nose.
...and obambi is.
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