Indians are latest global 'hate' targets

anigalla.net ^ | 06/01/2009 | anigalla

[SunkenCiv]

Maybe... India will have the same problem China does, but will take a bit longer to get there; the anti-family measures in China have been mandatory since the 1970s and have manufactured a large surplus of men, most of whom will never marry and/or have children, and will have to rely on the state to care for them when they get old. The Chinese state will probably have to hire some millions of guest workers to provide that care. India’s surplus population of men is not as large, and of course there is more freedom of movement. The time bomb in India may be the 150 million Muzzies, who don’t practice family planning to the extent that other Indians do.

[anigalla]

I hope you got the answer from Jack Hammers given below.. may be the time when you went to that apartment they might be roasting some “dry fish”, which i can’t take it too.. they say that it is tasty and good for health, but i never tried and i will never try..

[anigalla]

thank you, we like Americans too.. only problem is some times we feel it is not necessary for US to play Big ‘B’ role all over the world. But i know that it is not the people of America doing it, It is by the governments of America.. Even a small nation wants to take care of it’s own business and it won’t like if some one tries to come and give a lecture on it’s internal affairs which it is not looking forward for..

[Cronos]

I think the article is taking a fear mentality too far. There is no wide-spread hatred towards Indians. In Africa, Indians are the traders and shop and business owners who generally keep the economy humming, so the natives do resent them a bit. Plus Indians can be disriminatory against blacks in Africa (looking upon them as not being intelligent and of a lower culture). This is similar to the resentment against the white farmers in Zimbabwe and Zambia and against the Chinese who are moving there now.

I've not heard of any hatred against Indians in the Middle-East, just the standard Arab rules for foreign workers (i.e. your visa is dependent on you having a job. Fired? you leave within 15 days, or else go to jail.

in the US there is no anti-indian hatred at all, maybe some idiots think a Sikh is Osama, but not much else (when the author said that about the US that's when I knew he was on a fear pyschosis rant)

[Cronos]

“white” ain’t a race or a nationality.

[Cronos]

hindu discrimination against Christians in India is overblown. The recent issues in Orissa were really inter-caste and ethnic clashes: india has an affirmative action policy for 1. lower castes and 2. "tribes"

The lower castes have a certain % reserved for them and the tribes have another % reserved for them.

however, lately in India, other castes who aren't "lower" but "mid-level" saw that the lower castes were getting reserved places at educational institutions and so THEY said "give us some". So, this squeezed the % reserved for the lower castes.

in Orissa, the lower castes became Christian (due to noble missionaries who lived among the people and shared with them the word of God -- these missionaries were Catholic, Baptist, etc. not exclusively Catholic). The "tribes" in Orissa were happily animist (non-Hindu, non-Christian).

however, due to the above "mid=castes" taking over a certain % of reserved places, and due to the extreme-right-wing hindu groups saying that reservations shouldn't be given to Christian lower-castes, the Christian lower-castes in Orissa tried to put themselves as "tribes". The "tribes" of course didn't like this and they got a few demagogues from teh extre-right-wing hindu groups to push them.

THIS cause the Orissa riots. It was not an exclusively Christian-hindu thing, but a more complex ethnic, caste mix. Also, the Marxists were the ones who pulled the main trigger, when they (the Marxists) killed a Hindu swami priest. The extreme-right-wing hindu groups claimed that Christians did it and the violence started. The Marxists later took ownership for the killing.


Catholics in India are pretty well respected, despite the attempts by these right-wing hindu groups -- most hindus like Christianity and like Christians -- most have grown up in christian institutions and would attend mass etc. so they don't harbour violent feelings against Christians. And, in the recent elections, the right-wing hindu party was strongly rejected by people who blamed them for the Orissa tragedy.

[Cronos]

true, hopefully they’ll now learn after the next 4 hell years under O bummer. Ditto for the jewish folks who voted for him..

[rabidralph]

Thanks, for posting “Who’s the biggest victim” thread and welcome to FR.

[Cronos]

It has a lot to do with the fact that the Christians in India are also members of the lower caste system, a system that keeps lower caste people poor by preventing them from ever holding a decent job, like a teacher, or any government position, a police officer, etc. They are the lowest of the low. It's no wonder they support leftwing parties.

Uhhh... no, that's right-wing hindu propaganda. Christians in India are from all levels of the caste system. People don't become Christians just to "escapte the caste system". Especially in the south -- Kerala and Karnataka, the converts were Brahmins who (sad for Christianity) retained their upper caste privileges and discriminated against lower caste Christians too. In the North-East, there was no caste system (as the people there are more related to the Burmese or Tai peoples, and were not Hindu but animist

If you check the statistics of the indian government, you'll find that Christians are the best educated religious group with the best gender ratio and also the highest income (among religious groups).

[Jack Hammer]

‘If you check the statistics of the indian government, you’ll find that Christians are the best educated religious group with the best gender ratio and also the highest income (among religious groups).’

Not doubting you, but where can I find those stats; I’d be interested. Can you post a link...

[Cronos]

you’ve just posted this from your blog to get more hits to it. This is not a news article but your own opinion. This is not News / Current Events and the post should be removed.

[Cronos]

And I have no need to tan and sunburn either. I like my white skin and blue eyes blond hair and good looks, and enjoy the envy all the colored people of various ethnicities (who all basically look the same as one another due to limited genetic material) have of my white skin and the individual looks my widely variable genetics affords me.

You are kidding, right? The people with the most variable genetics are sub-saharan Africans. The peoples from out of Africa, whether they are Ainu or Japanese or Irish or Scandanavian or Indian are all genetically far more similar to each other than to the sub-saharan Africans (as only one group came out of Africa while a larger number remained, hence the diversity in the sub-saharan part).

Good looks are of course subjective, while we may like certain features, other ethnicities may like others -- Greeks may like men with dark, brooding eyes rather than light coloured eyes and Irish men may prefer red-headed women (actually so do I :)

Peoples with non-pale skin are of as wide genetics as those WITH pale skin. For example, Iranis, northern and western Indians, Russians and Europeans are all Aryanic peoples with the same "race" genetics. Yet, would you consider the Iranis "white"?

Similarly, Israelies and Arabs are both Semites, yet we'd consider Jews "white" but not Arabs (Tony Shaloub maybe :)

And, of course, the Finns are Ugaritic people not related to Aryanic peoples but more related to Samoyed and other Tungushic groups, yet you'd consider them "white"

I dislike the entire "race" classification -- it's something used by dims to get votes for idiots like O bummer (while denigrating people like Jindal)

[Cronos]

There can be no "pros" for the caste system -- a system which says that if you were born to a sweeper, then a sweeper is all you can ever be is inherently WRONG.

Yes, yes, I know it started out as a class system but them became rigid around 300 BC etc. etc.

[Cronos]

in Northern Ireland, again the issue is primarily historical and ethnic rather than religious. The Catholics wanted to keep the idea of being “Irish”, the protestants were originally Scots shipped over as they were ok with being “British” and loyal to the crown.

[Cronos]

So, don’t just imagine that all the lower caste people are cleaning someone’s house for 2cents a day.. those days are gone..

Those days are NOT gone in rural India. You're talking about urban India in places like Bombay, Bangalore, Madras, Delhi, etc. but the lower caste people in many villages are still treated as untouchables, who are made to clean toilets and catch and eat rats. In the cities, YES, I'll agree, most people don't know or care about caste.

india's way too vast (1 billion people, 800 languages, multiple cultures and religions and classes and races) to allow for a single statment. Nathan is wrong to say that caste still is a factor and you're wrong to say it isn't. What is right is to say that "in some places"....

Even your 30/40 days is not enough for a continent like India -- you in the south, are Dravidian speakers have your own culture and even your history is completely unlike that of say the Punjab. Hindu rulers ruled in most of the south until recently, while the north had to suffer the traumas of Muslim invasions. Islam in the south came peacefully, in the north it came at the edge of the sword, hence the difference in perceptions. The Tamils were attacked by the Mughals and Marathas, so, most likely when the British came to Madras, they just saw the BRitish as another bunch of foreigners, no different from the Marathas, Sikhs or Mughals, no different looking than them either.

[Cronos]

Of course. Here are the Indian gov stats site: stats

Then here is an article on Indian gender ratio

that article also says that "That apart, sustained educational levels have led the Christians to a better economic status in India. According to the NSS Report, 47% of Christians in urban areas and 38% in the rural areas come within the top third of monthly earning categories, much ahead of Hindus (24%) and Muslims (20%)."

[Jack Hammer]

Thanks.

[Jack Hammer]

Oh, dear... that stats site - I’m ‘computer challenged’; I’m afraid you’re gonna have to point me more specifically if I’m ever to find the figures on educational levels by religious affiliation. Sorry...

[Cronos]

As the article says "That apart, sustained educational levels have led the Christians to a better economic status in India. According to the NSS Report, 47% of Christians in urban areas and 38% in the rural areas come within the top third of monthly earning categories, much ahead of Hindus (24%) and Muslims (20%)."

now, you need to factor in the following:
1. Christians are a small % of India's population -- 2.5 to 3%. That is still 30 to 40 million people, but small in a nation of 1.2 billion.
2. The Christians value education: they teach their young at least up to a bachelor's degree.
3. Christians also get in contact with English, Portuguese, Latin etc. and can communicate with the West, Russia, S.America etc. more easily due to this shared part-culture
4. They treat their women well and women's education is en par with men -- net result, if the mom is a college grad, it's more likely that the kids will be too

All of these contribute to a higher income -- it's far more likely that the better English speakers you hear when you get your next call from India IS Christian.

Finally, many of the upper-class hindus in urban areas were brought up in Christian schools, probably attended mass and visit churches, they are pseudo or even cultural-Christians -- many be even be Christian in beliefs and everything but in name, so the idea of Christian persecution would be abhorrent to them as well, hence the rejection of the BJP.

Christianity in India is also very ancient dating back to the 1st century AD(the first Christians were probably Jewish converts converted by St. Thomas (doubting Thomas, the apostle) who came to the Jewish community in Kerala (and this community probably dated back to 100 BC at least) and also extremely varied -- those Christians converted by St. Thomas were Syrian Orthodox Christians or Malankara Christians or Syro-Malabar Catholic Christians. THen you have Roman Catholic Christians (the largest in terms of numbers). Then, Anglicans, etc. (clubbed as CNI or CSI). And, of course, the North-east is completely Baptist.

[dennisw]

I respect and like India. I want nothing to do with most 3rd world nations. India is an exception