Indians are latest global 'hate' targets

anigalla.net ^ | 06/01/2009 | anigalla

[Jack Hammer]

I’ll have to take your word for all this - or, at least, the word of that article, which I looked through. I’ve actually spent rather a lot of time in India, and have to say that none of this comports with my own observations. However, I haven’t been all over - just up north - so I’m sure I’ve missed a lot of the Indian cultural “scene.” Moreover, I’ve never in my entire life met an Indian Christian anywhere, in any capacity; no doubt because - statistically, at least - they’re extremely rare.

[anigalla]

Cronos..
most of my blog posts are related to one state in out of many states in India.. Not many i write that are to do with global users.. so i don’t think so that a 50 or 80 users come to my site today will be loyal visitors to my site as there is nothing else related to them other than this post..

Coming to the news / current events, i doubt whether you are following with the daily news or not.. even international news channels are showing these news ( 90% of what i mentioned in that post ) and it is still going on.. by the time i posted this and today, in this meantime there were two more attacks against indians.. So, i don’t know in which way it made you to think that this is not an ongoing issue..

i won’t talk more than this about it..

[anigalla]

thank you very much for your opinion about India, and we hope that we will maintain our dignity up to the expectations of the out side world.. “No Nonsense, No Violence, No unnecessary Interference in other country’s internal affairs, Live and let the others live policy”

[anigalla]

cronos..

:) couldn’t stop smiling when i read your posts..
whatever bomb blasts/religious or communal riots happens in india, the root is in South city.. the accomplice is from South. so, it is not just north at the edge of the sword, actually it is in the south.. and for your information when india got it’s independence in 1947 (the day britishers left), south is still under the ruling of NIZAM ( a muslim) who is not willing to leave his seat and unite the state in India, after so many fights and the pressure from the central government, this south has been released after few years.. that is the reason why our state formation day is different from our independence day where all the rest of the states don’t have it.. If nobody is against to him or fight against him and lose thousands of lives, that nizam might have united our state into Pakistan..

So, i now i have a doubt whether i lived in rural southern indian village for 25years of my life or CRONOS lived.. sorry to say this, but ten times if we lie, 11th time it won’t become a truth.. a lie is always a lie..

[anigalla]

:) it is not a psychosis rant or what, but i do agree that i added a lot of sarcasm in those lines.. every country had done some mistakes in the past. Like india sent IPF to Srilanka to fight against LTTE etc., but those mistakes are more when it comes to US. US had put it’s finger in almost every corner of the world for some reason or the other. It interfered as many times as it can in other countries’ internal affairs and it is visible to the world that there are certain times when the world thought that UN is a dancing doll in US’s hands. There is no one to question US and most of the times the US governments think that what it is doing is right but in reality it is not.. that is the reason why US has made unwanted enemies during the years.. It is nothing to do with the common man in US, but the governments bought a bad image by paying huge amounts of money in the name of unwanted interference.

that is the reason why sometimes i feel though CANADA is just next to US, canada’s image in the world’s point of view is lot more better than US, UK or australia’s image..

[dennisw]

And although one can say India is a 3rd world country this is not fair because 10-20% of India is a First World nation. The Indians I have met here (USA) are all nice and OK. Just stop sending us yr Muslims (lol)

[anigalla]

:) they have enough work internally in our country itself.. :) just kidding.. they are nice too, i think so far none of the Indian Muslims caused trouble in US or any where else.. It is not the religion, it is the nationality.. Pakistanis have that problem, but not the Muslims in India. If few are spoiled due to the imported preachings from Pakistan or some where else, we are trying our best to put them back in to the track.. extremism of any religion is dangerous. whether it is Hinduism, Christianity or Islam or any other religion

[Cronos]

you've never met an indian Christian? Really. They're hardly rare and are quite active on the Indian political scene -- you have the politicians like Sonia Gandhi, George Fernandes, AK Antony (India's defense minister), Margaret Alva etc. They're also there in india's films and business

Finally, you have a large indian christian population in the US, Canada, the UK, Australia -- like Keith Vaz in the UK, Bobby Jindal in the US, etc.

Plus, where exactly HAVE you been to in india? Goa and Kerala are 30% Christian, Nagaland, Manipur in the north-east are nearly 100% Christian (the rest of the north-east is probably a combined 30 % Christian), while Bombay and Bangalore have large Christian communities and plenty of Churches.

[Vanders9]

Serious question. Have you ever been a victim of sectarian violence?

[Cronos]

Anigalla, that’s not the point — if you choose the option “News”, your SOURCE needs to be a verifiable news source. You should have chosen “Vanity” — as what you have stated is your OPINION. A personal blog cannot be a News/Activism post, it can only be a “Vanity” i.e. personal opinion post.

[Cronos]

Dude, READ what did I say?

Hindu rulers ruled in most of the south until recently, while the north had to suffer the traumas of Muslim invasions. Islam in the south came peacefully, in the north it came at the edge of the sword

It talks about the history of India (you have read this, right?). You replied something completely incomprehensible.:

whatever bomb blasts/religious or communal riots happens in india, the root is in South city.. the accomplice is from South. so, it is not just north at the edge of the sword, actually it is in the south

Duuhhhh..... Did you know that Islam came to Kerala spread by Arab traders and it came peacefully? Did you know that in the north of India it came by the sword, right from Mahmud Ghazni onwards? Hence the difference in the cultures of north and south. You mix the present with history. Sheesh

and for your information when india got it’s independence in 1947 (the day britishers left), south is still under the ruling of NIZAM ( a muslim) who is not willing to leave his seat and unite the state in India

There is a present and a past tense -- you've mixed both up. When the English left India in 1947, there were 300 odd princely states, the Nizams little spot in Hyderabad was just one of them. all the princes were figureheads kept in place by the brits. The Nizam only ruled over the central part of what is now parts of Karnatak, Andhra Pradesh and parts of Kerala -the rest of the south had other rulers, like the Rajahs of TRavancore and the direclty ruled British provinces of the Madras Presidency etc.

that is the reason why our state formation day is different from our independence day where all the rest of the states don’t have it..

A LITTLE knowledge about your own history would help. in 1960, the states were re-organized linguistically. This had NOTHING to do with the Nizam who ruled over a polyglot kingdom that included Tulu, Telugu, Kannada and some Malayalam speakers, plus also many Urdu speakers. Your southern 4 states were built on linguistic lines, divided amongst Telugu, Tamil, Malayalam and Kannada speakers.

Finally, THAT STATEMENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY POINT THAT NORTH INDIA HAD MORE MUSLIM INVASIONS AND MORE RECENT THAN THE SOUTH! The South was safeguarded by this for centuries by the Vijayanagar Empire and then by the Marathas after that. It never experienced the same islamic trauma the north experienced, hence the culture and attitude towards islam is also different. Capische? Comprende? The attitude towards Muslims in Kerala differs from the attitude towards them in Gujarat. Even the Muslims in Kerala don't have the same mannerisms, attitude as Muslims in say UP

[Cronos]

but i do agree that i added a lot of sarcasm in those lines.. every country had done some mistakes in the past. Like india sent IPF to Srilanka to fight against LTTE etc., but those mistakes are more when it comes to US. US had put it’s finger in almost every corner of the world for some reason or the other. It interfered as many times as it can in other countries’ internal affairs

Huh?? Mistakes? India didn't make a mistake with the IPKF. The mistake was not fighting to win. A nation-state's duty is to ITSELF, not to some other nation. India had every right to seek it's own interests, just like it did in 1971 when it told the US to not interfere, just like it defended itself in Kargil.

The US is a superpower, understand -- and even more so in the 50s to the 90s. We had 40% of the world's GDP, the largest, most advanced and most powerful military in the world. And we were a benevolent superpower -- can you imagine what would have happened if communist China or the USSR had been a super-superpower instead? India (and a lot of the world) would have been speaking Mandarin or Russian.

Secondly, the US as a superpower HAS to police the world. If the US doesn't, then it gets blamed (example, in Rwanda and now in tDarfur, the cry goes up "Why doesn't the US invade?"). The US's failing is that it didn't always look out for #1, which other countries would do.

[Jack Hammer]

I’ve never spent much time hobnobbing with celebs; I’ve mostly hung out with middle class Hindus in Uttar Pradesh.

[anigalla]

No point talking to you. .You don’t even know when the state formation day is.. read some articles online and talking here about the history.. we are talking about present..

for your info.. AP state formation day is 1956 November 1st, not 1960 like you mentioned.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andhra_Pradesh

and with this i have decided not to reply your messages, as it seems to me, all you want to do is to argue somehow, but not to know the reality.. i am observing this from the time you mentioned to remove the post. I still don’t understand that if you think that this post is not supposed to be here and should be removed, then what are you doing here? why you are wasting your quality time at a “SHOULD BE REMOVED POST?” .. opening our eyes with your half knowledge or what? :)

[anigalla]

Yes, because the Muslims in kerala didn’t burn people alive by locking them inside a train in a fine morning.. If they have done that, naturally the people’s view about them in kerala also would have been different..

[anigalla]

those who have jaundice, the world looks yellow.. for those who have the zeal to do a war, every war looks reasonable and not a mistake. India has no right to interfere in SRILANKA’s internal problem. If it’s idea is to safeguard itself, then they can place the same IPKF at the India-Srilanka boarder to stop infiltration into India.. If it wants to make a war, then International community should be involved, not just one country to go there fight and become enemy.. we sent Peace Force to Srilanka only to lose our own peace inside the country..

[isom35]

some of those Bollywood babes are smokin’ hot. No hate comin’ from me!

[Cronos]

Newbie, do you even read? You say that the Nizam of Hyderabad holding on to his state somehow affected the way Southern indian states were made. you are WRONG.

A better reading of Indian history would help.

[Cronos]

I’ve never spent much time hobnobbing with celebs; I’ve mostly hung out with middle class Hindus in Uttar Pradesh.

And that's good too -- and it brings out the point I was trying to make that India is terribly vast and diverse -- you spent time in India and didn't see Indian Christians, you spent time in UP which has it's own culture, is primarily Hindi speaking. Yet, other parts of India, like say Sikkim or Tamil Nadu, won't speak Hindi, will have other cultures etc. yet India still carries on. It's quite an amazing civilisational-state (rather than a narrow nation-state).

[Cronos]

those who have jaundice, the world looks yellow..

You have jaundice? Tsk, tsk...

If it wants to make a war, then International community should be involved, not just one country to go there fight and become enemy

Yes, just like you involved the UN in 1948 when Pakistan took over half of Kashmir and made it Pakistan occupied Kashmir?

A nation's duty is to it's own interests. India didn't have the right gameplan in the IPKF, it should have kept it's own interests up front. It is doing so in Burma now by talking to the junta. The Junta are slimy creeps, but if india kept supporting Aung San Suu Kyi, the Chinese would have their ports in the Bay of Bengal and another front against India. National interest trumps strange ideological positions -- even the Communist Chinese did this in the 70s tying with Nixon.