Posted on 10/02/2009 11:46:39 AM PDT by crosstimbers
The Hawaii Department of Health has reversed course. They now admit that they do - in fact – make some vital records information available to the public. This admission reverses their prior response pattern indicating that “no information” could be released.
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Or that they at least got a license. The license and the marriage certificate are two different documents. The license is "permission" the certificate is "documentation".
That said, the presence of a record of either sort is a pretty good indication that there was a marriage, valid or not.
Their marriage was a recognized marriage in Hawaii as it was a legal first marriage in Kenya. Surely you know that.
I don’t know about Hawaii but in Calif. you can search the index by groom or bride in case you don’t know both or just maiden name. Also Calif marriages are public except for those that request a Confidential marriage and pay like $50 extra and it is kept confidential.
I suppose there might well be a Honolulu Advertiser, Star Bulletin Notice for the Dunham Obama marriage application, unless they requested it not be released....would like to see that one-anyone? Sacramento has copies of the newspaper in the State Library.
Have YOU bothered to see what constitutes a legal marriage by tribal custom in Kenya at the time?????
You can read all about it on the Kenyan government website that allows you to research old laws.
OK , so you make your phone call and give the information necessary to fill in a COLB form (even though it isn’t going onto that paper form directly) and that creates a (computerized? which in 196x would mean a punched card) data record from which a paper COLB can be generated upon request ,, not the paper COLB itself; not much of a distinction.
You guys can keep ignoring the law on this..but it isn’t going to change the fact that the marriage was a VOID marriage and the UK law addresses this kind of marriage in their immigration law.
And who is going to prove it? Obama Senior or Stanley Ann?
That’s bull. A marriage that was void at inception is not considered a legal marriage just because you got a marriage license. Good god, read some immigration case law.
True, but neither of knows us if Sr was "legally" married. It's possible that if the Colony of Kenya didn't recognize the tribal ceremony, and did not have something akin to "common law" marriage, then he may not have been "legally" married.
Not good enough for the state to nullify the Obama/Dunham marriage. Again you need proof. Talk is cheap.
The second half of your claim is mistaken. She doesn't have a COLB from Hawaii. This proves it.
And the ears, the shape of the eye sockets, and even the hairline.
BHO Jr. is a darker version of Grandpa Dunham with coarser hair and slightly broader nose and lips.
Well, make a request for Maya’s index data from Okubo.
Have YOU bothered to see what constitutes a legal marriage by tribal custom in Kenya at the time?????
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If it involves chicken bones and face paint then I don’t see how you can introduce that into the legal proceedings you’re fantasizing about where Obama and Stanleys marriage is annulled/voided. How do you document the event in a way that can be presented and understood by anyone today.
Since you’ve researched exactly how Obama can repudiate his GB lineage via parentage by a UK/Kenyan citizen and legally squirm out of the “no two US parents” problem then please enlighten us all.
It will never get this far..but Obama Jr, when faced with an argument that he can’t be President even if born in the US because his dad was a UK citizen and therefore that made him one.....can attack that marriage collaterally.
Go look at what was required of a Luo marriage. All the anectodotal evidence AS WELL AS info from the first wife who is still alive..shows that Obama Sr was already married.
You won’t be able to prove he wasn’t. This is not an American marriage with a divorce decree in a court of law.
this is a TRIBAL MARRIAGE in Kenya in the 60s...well probably 50s.
That's a good point, she wouldn't have needed to get a divorce if she could have shown that he was already married. She'd need some sort of lawsuit though if she wanted to get any child support. But, in the event, she didn't ask for any in the divorce, nor any alimony.
Does anyone who read the divorce papers recall what the grounds were? I'm thinking it was "mental cruelty" or some other fairly innoucuous (for the time) grounds.
It doesn’t mattter if it is chicken bones and face paint. The fact of the matter is that there is plenty of evidence that Sr was married AND THE WIFE IS STILL ALIVE TODAY.
Go ahead and hang your hat on the ridiculous notion that Sr wasn’t married to Kezia. Look at their customs and what would have happened if they weren’t married...I don’t care whether you want to accept the reality or not.
I am not going to go around claiming Sr wasn’t married to Kezia. You are going to have to prove that he wasn’t in order for Jr to have been a UK citizen... and you won’t be able to do it...notwithstanding the fact that he may have had to actuallY REGISTER to get his UK citizenship since he was born in the US.
I find it very odd that Okubo can’t seem to correctly spell: Dunham.
Not until it is proven void.
So until someone proves that the marriage between Stanly and Barack I was void, they will remain married on in the eyes of the law.
And no, heresay and rumors about Barrack I's bigamy is not sufficient evidence to prove it.
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