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Veteran on Larry King: Time to Step Back from the Psychobabble
Ruby Slippers ^ | 11/6/09 | Mary Sue

Posted on 11/06/2009 6:57:30 AM PST by Ruby Slippers

A veteran made an appearance on Larry King with Dr. Phil and a former POW Shoshana Johnson to discuss the possible motivations of Nidal Hasan. After Dr. Phil pontificates on the mental state of a man he doesn't know, Tom Kenneth a veteran and civil defense attorney states that he thinks it is time to take a step back from the psycho babble. Ms. Johnson and Dr. Phil spend the rest of the segment chastising him while Kenneth continues to make his point.

Video at the link

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: fthood; ptsd
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1 posted on 11/06/2009 6:57:32 AM PST by Ruby Slippers
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To: Ruby Slippers

He’s not a doctor. He’s a fraud.


2 posted on 11/06/2009 6:59:47 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Ruby Slippers

Where can we email Dr. Phil??
His comments were uncalled for...


3 posted on 11/06/2009 6:59:56 AM PST by pollywog (staying...... " Under His Wings" Psalm 91:4)
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To: Ruby Slippers

The vet lawyer made a mistake which cost him his crdibility: He asked Shoshana if she had been to Iraq (Shoshana was a POW there).

He is right, but this cost him his argument.


4 posted on 11/06/2009 7:02:18 AM PST by cll (I am the warrant and the sanction)
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To: Ruby Slippers

I keep waiting for some shrink to attribute this to PRE-traumatic stress syndrome.


5 posted on 11/06/2009 7:02:32 AM PST by newheart ("It will keep the government out of your health care decisions..." Barack Obama, July 23, 2009)
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To: newheart
We live in an age where you get a Nobel Peace Prize in hopes that someday you may do something to earn it.

I suppose this jihadist had PTSD as result of some future trauma that he might someday experience.

They will say anything and expect us to swallow it.

6 posted on 11/06/2009 7:05:00 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: Ruby Slippers

How did that fat pos ever get in the military.


7 posted on 11/06/2009 7:07:49 AM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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To: cll

BS, he was the only reasonable one one the panel...he blew them away.

(he could not see the woman, he was in another studio)


8 posted on 11/06/2009 7:09:30 AM PST by roses of sharon (Call the NFL and welcome their new Commissioner, Al Sharpton.)
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To: cll

I disagree - he doesn’t know her and she went into the mad black woman mode when she screeched that she was a POW as if the entire world was supposed to know that.


9 posted on 11/06/2009 7:21:14 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Blankety blankety blank)
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To: roses of sharon

I am with you, he ran circles around the two other idiots. For this POW to say because he had to listen to the things that were said to him, could have caused him to have PTSD is BEYOND stupid! THAT is when she lost ALL of her arguments!

Especially, since he has no way of knowing if what the soldiers tell him is real, is conjecture, is embellished - he is not there to “record” these bad things! He is supposed to listen to them and help them THROUGH these feelings, not have them relive the entire stressful situation.

Every time someone with an “Arabic” sounding name is involved, all the pundits and idiots say, let’s not talk about that. Let’s not do something crazy like look at EVERY POSSIBLE PROBLEM to find the solution!

Starting an investigation with the preconceived notion that his name is NOT important is WORSE than starting an investigation WITH it. By leaving that portion off the table, the investigators have already limited their possible solutions. LOOK AT EVERY ANGLE! TURN OVER EVERY STONE! Start EVERYWHERE! That is all the vet lawyer was saying!!


10 posted on 11/06/2009 7:22:53 AM PST by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go Home!)
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To: icwhatudo
How did that fat pos ever get in the military.

She was unable to evade capture because her pack was loaded down with 257 Twinkies.

11 posted on 11/06/2009 7:25:45 AM PST by montag813 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. -George Orwell)
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To: cll

I don’t think that mistake cost him the argument. You, I , and others can see that he is right in his arguments.

Dr. Phil said that it is irresponsible to say that there may be an Islamic motivation. Not saying it is irresponsible. 13 people are dead because of Dr. Phil’s brand of political correctness.


12 posted on 11/06/2009 7:28:12 AM PST by ChessExpert (The unemployment rate was 4.5% when Democrats took control of Congress. What is it today?)
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To: Ruby Slippers
Well, Islam is the religion for the insane...
13 posted on 11/06/2009 7:28:23 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Ruby Slippers
Gee...I guess Tom Kenneth was right and Dr. Phil and Shshana Johnson were wrong and out of order in attacking Kenneth...so I'm sure Larry King will have all three of them back on so they can apologize to Tom Kenneth...right?

...crickets...

Dr. Phil, like all of those pop-psychologists, is an idiot. I would no more take his advice than I would that of some bum I met on the street. He is exactly the same as our Obama a narcissistic idiot.
14 posted on 11/06/2009 7:31:23 AM PST by Sudetenland (Slow to anger but terrible in vengence...such is the character of the American people.)
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To: Ruby Slippers
I would like to see these two get together so I can the great Dr. explain himself once again in flowery terms of warm humanity, how this peace loving animal needs a mental consolation prize.

It does no one any good to phsycho babble these guys. They are part of a global cabal and cult that wants to kill and thinks going to their whorehouse, where they can rape 72 virgins for eternity, is an honor.

The rest of their peace loving family must understand this; until they go through a spiritual and mental reformation they can never be viewed as a people who respect other religions and people without equivocation and their religious views are to be respected in the same way ours should be.

Moreover, their silence gives both sanction and imprimatur to this murderous behavior.

It is unbelievable that no one outside CAIR stands in solidarity with humanity to condemn this. CAIR for those who are uninformed because they just can't be bothered with facts is the modern day Muslim Brotherhood and PLA organization which seeks to act as a political arm of Islam and promote Islam by claiming they are the ones being martyred. Still yesterday, CAIR once again begins their fake condemnation of their brother in arms and then says their will surely be backlash against muslims. Really? Show me, Ibrahim Hooper, how many muslims died in the aftermath of 911? How many muslims were marginalized in the last eight years? The answer? NONE! You are a fatuous liar. Islam is currently responsible for all major conflicts in the world. We see what is happening in Darfur. Islamic Arabs are emigrating south through Africa and in their wake leaving dead bodies of those they consider not worthy to be human anymore by their faith in Christ. How can we accept you when you kill thousands of people around the world in the name of your allah?

Your message of peace must not be real nor very effective if you have to make you point with the blade of a knife or the point of a gun. In fact, your belief system demands conversion, now, here on earth or death to the non-believer.

Really? I mean Really?! That is your message? take precious time out my day and Pray to allah five times each day on a rug, facing east, with my ass in the air?

Why? So I can demonstrate fealty and vulnerability?

Contrast your message with the message from my God.

For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved

Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus

God is a gentleman and father and says:
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.

For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

There is no exhortation to love God or perish through violence visited by a very fallible human being.

Only God can judge, for only he is perfect and knows what is or isn't worthy or innocent.

Do you see the difference between our beliefs?

Your allah demands abeyance.

My God reaches his arms out to you, as a loving father, to hold you close, protect you and guide you.

God loves you.

15 posted on 11/06/2009 7:34:28 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: montag813
An REMF who got caught by surprise and has made a career out of being a former POW in Iraq. If Kenneth was deployed in a forward area in Iraq, as he claimed, he was closer to real combat than she was and witnessed more combat stress then her.

From Wikipedia:
Quartermaster Corps Food Service Specialist (MOS 92G) with the 507th Maintenance Company, 5/52 ADA BN, 11th ADA Brigade. Shoshana enlisted with the duty of preparing meals. She says that she had no intention of going into combat. Her company's duty was to supply mechanics to repair the Patriot missile trucks housed at the post... Johnson was in a convoy that was ambushed and taken captive in the city of Nasiriyah. Iraqi troops ambushed her supply convoy when it took a wrong turn. There had been bitter fighting around Nasiriyah, a vital crossing point of the River Euphrates. Johnson was among a dozen soldiers in the convoy who was captured. She received a bullet wound to her ankle, causing injuries to both legs.
Now while I respect her for being willing to serve her country in the military, she has made a career out of her accidental experience...including a book deal:
Johnson signed a book deal with Dafina Books to write her story with Paul T. Brown, titled One Wrong Turn, which will tell her side of the story and tell more about some of her fallen comrades. In 2007 Dafina Books dropped Johnson. She signed a deal with Simon & Schuster in 2008. "I'm Still Standing" will be released on Feb 2, 2010. [ibid]

16 posted on 11/06/2009 7:41:53 AM PST by Sudetenland (Slow to anger but terrible in vengence...such is the character of the American people.)
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To: ChessExpert
The problem is Dr. Phil and the lady POW went into attack mode saying basically “You can't say because of his last name that he is terrorist!!! You are irresponsible!!!”

They said some other things in their strongest support of the ROP and came off as erudite and pedantic, holier than thou assholes.

Dr. Phil is an asshat like so many others and walks around with a fence post up his ass, like so many others. To him and others like him, I say get off the fence and pick a side! However, as they were ponying up for collective humanity, CAIR issued a statement recognizing this chump as a muslim:

“We condemn this cowardly attack in the strongest terms possible and ask that the perpetrators be punished to the full extent of the law. No political or religious ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence. The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the all-volunteer army that protects our nation. American Muslims stand with our fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere condolences to the families of those killed or injured.”

Why would they release a statement like that about a fellow muslim?

Dr. Phil, could rationalize that one for me?

17 posted on 11/06/2009 7:45:43 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Sudetenland
Folks! You don't turn on the Larry King show and expect to get anything but junkfood commentary.

Shoshona Johnson has marketed her POW status for years on the Larry King show from what I understand from those who watch him. She acts like she was a POW for a long time instead of 22 days; Less time that it would take her to down 1000 canoles. She was a Food Service Specialist in a convoy which took a wrong turn and got ambushed.

You rarely ever hear real heroes get on TV as often as she does. It turns out that the real hero of that incident was then PFC Patrick Miller who earned the Silver Star for actions taken before and during his 22 day capture. Ms. Johnson deserves the John Kerry Phony Warriors Citation.

I think Dr. Tom Kenneth needs to go on FOX NEWS where an intelligent discussion of this subject is 1000 times more likely to take place.

18 posted on 11/06/2009 8:10:44 AM PST by wmileo (I miss Ronald Wilson Reagan. POTUS #40)
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To: Ruby Slippers
infuriating...
19 posted on 11/06/2009 8:39:18 AM PST by Marie (remember, remember, the fifth of november...)
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To: montag813

I read her wiki page-she was in food services.


20 posted on 11/06/2009 8:58:34 AM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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