Posted on 05/19/2010 5:52:40 PM PDT by Beloved Levinite
thatstheguy07 — May 17, 2010 — Since this video has been getting so many views, and ppl have been asking the same questions, I figured Id explaion a ciuple things here. This video was sent to me by someone on facebook. I dont know who the guy is, what the aftermath was, or which crossing this was at.
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I’m not convinced this is real and not staged.
Agreed, and I second the motion.
>I know you will flame me for bringing this up, but I am trying to protect you.
Flame, I should hope not; argue [in the philosophy-sense], sure.
>You need to know this in case you ever try to cross a border. Everything on your person, in your car, on your phone, computer, iPod....everything is subject to search. When they take a cursory look at your passport and wave you through they are choosing not to exercise that authority.
I’m not saying that they had no authority to search him; I *AM* saying that they should be able to give a reason for any [real] detainment or in-depth search that they perform; furthermore, they should be held to account for their barratry. ( Def #2 - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/barratry )
At 0:27 when he asks “Does it matter?” was he being disrespectful, at all? {Would you react the same way if you were asked by a police officer where you were going, and you said ‘to get dinner’ and he asked where, and you said ‘KFC, Pizza Hut, I don’t know... does it matter?’ Also, would you expect the police officer to react in a similar fashion?}
At 2:00 is the request to know why unreasonable?
In Post 38 USN Bandit sums it up very well.
A foreigner wishing to enter the United States assents to all the rules and laws of this country. There is no requiremnet to “post signs”.
US law enforcement have full authority to searches and seizures for anyone entering the country as a condition to their entry. If you don’t want to comply, turn around.
Millions of people cross the border from Canada every year. In those millions are more than a handful of bad guys - really bad guys. BCE agents are tasked to cathch them before they do harm. And the bad guys don’t look like Muslims with AK-47s over their shoulder and dynamite sticks in their backpacks. They can come in fancy suits and Lexus, or soccer moms in SUVs.
That Canadian with an attitude has just made it harder for other Canadians with no attitude to come to the United States.
I’ve crossed that very border about 10 times a year since I was a baby. I’ve crossed there (and at the Peace Bridge) in cars, on bicycles and on foot. Whats been hammered into me as long as I can remember is...DON’T BE AN A..HOLE WITH THE BORDER PEOPLE!!!
This isn’t a new rule. I don’t think that jerk would have been treated much different in 1965. If I acted that way towards a CDN officer, I’d expect the same.
They also prod and provoke just to get a sense of who you are, sample questions I’ve really been asked:
“are you bringing any business machines with you?”
“ do you have any weapons,hand grenades etc with you?”
“ how much vodka is in that orange juice?
This guy failed the Ahole test and this is what has always happened on the bridges when you do.
Soccer Moms? Really? Send me a picture of a person who looked like a US soccer mom that hijacked an airplane or murdered school children.
Regarding a police officer asking you where you are going, it depends on how that encounter starts. If he walks up to you on the street you don't have to talk to him. If he tells you to stop, then you are being detained and he has to have a reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed (you match a vague description of a bank robber.) If he pulls you over for speeding and asks then it is probably in your best interests to give him some info, but you don't have to. Of course when talking to a police officer your 4th amendment and expectations of privacy are in affect.
Same here - I’ve lived on the border and worked on it.
I once crossed the border from Montana into Canada on a camping trip. Immigration Canada asked me the standard questions, including weapons. I remembered that I had a survival knife with a switchblade in my gear and told them.
Nope - not authorized and I was told I could not enter Canada. I didn’t give them any lip, even though the nearest city for a gang fight was 250 miles away. I politely turned around, went back to the concrete pylon border marker in the no-man’s land between border stations, buried the knife under a rock one inch inside the USA, turned back to Canada, politely said I didn’t have it any more and consented to a full search of the car, was cleared, and moved on into Canada for my camping trip.
They saw what I was doing from both border stations, but I didn’t give anybody any lip, and had no problems.
Four days later I came back to the USA, stopped by the rock and got the knife and came on home.
Now imagine if I had given these guys an attitude like the Canadian A-hole. I’d probably be in jail on a weapons charge.
Partially true. Those types of inspections are limited to "Customs Officers" which means CBP, ICE and some other specifically trained law enforcement.
>They don’t have to tell you why you are referred to secondary. They don’t have to tell you what their computer system says about you. Sometimes it is just random. They can decide to secondary every single person.
It is this mentality, the ‘detention’ mentality, that I do *NOT* like. It is *wholly* un-American to detain someone without giving reason, even if that reason is “You were number 49, and I’m inn-depth-searching all multiples of 7 today...”
>Regarding a police officer asking you where you are going, it depends on how that encounter starts. If he walks up to you on the street you don’t have to talk to him. If he tells you to stop, then you are being detained and he has to have a reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed (you match a vague description of a bank robber.)
But there is STILL *some* reason, not “we don’t need a reason” that is present in all of these examples.
>If he pulls you over for speeding and asks then it is probably in your best interests to give him some info, but you don’t have to.
Right....
>Of course when talking to a police officer your 4th amendment and expectations of privacy are in affect.
LOL - Wow, you are naive. You do realize that ‘lying’ to a federal officer is a crime, and ‘lying’ can consist of saying something unintentionally misinformed/misinforming, right?
Does that go against America's sense of "fair play?" That is what Obama said about Arizona detaining illegal aliens.
Depends on the conditions and situation. While CBP are usually the law enforcement personnel at the crossing point (ICE is usually involved with interior operations), there are also Agriculture and DEA and others in play at times.
State and local police are also sometimes involved if such laws are pertinent. I have been at the Blaine, WA crossing when wanted/armed and dangerous people came through who were arrested and turned over to Washington authorities.
There are also incidents at preclearance facilities for air travel located outside the USA (in Canada, Bermuda, Aruba) where local police can be involved, e.g., the RCMP (Mounties) in Canada, where US authorities have no jurisdiction.
>Does that go against America’s sense of “fair play?” That is what Obama said about Arizona detaining illegal aliens.
...if I said what I thought about Obama this post would get pulled.
I’ve said *NOTHING* about ‘fair play.’ I have, however, raised concerns about Justice. (Or at least tried to.)
Remember that it was Thomas Jefferson who said:
“In questions of power...let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him [the government/government-agent] down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.”
[ Kentucky Resolutions, 1798 ]
The Canadian man was obnoxious. He never shut up the whole time. He was treated too kindly by the Border Agents.
Whatever. Guy was at a border crossing. Doesn’t matter if it is U.S., Mexico or Chile.
You just cooperate with the guys and they stop interviewing you.
You are at the international welcome center for checking out bad guys and a bad attitude doesn’t help.
Why don’t you try that with a TSA agent in Philadelphia.
I think whoever the canadian is, on the recording, is a prick and I would hold him and his wife all day, going over their car with a fine tooth comb and maybe even an axe pick.
I’d have said, “All of ‘em.” rofl
Love the last two minutes of the recording. They scare this woos, silly, arrest him and for good measure his wife.
Smartass Dork.
that woman could have torn the customs officers fingernail.
That’s an owie.... /s
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