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Hearing Will Challenge Obama's Eligibility
The New American ^ | May 20, 2010 | Raven Clabough

Posted on 05/20/2010 11:35:49 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

On May 12, the American Patriot Foundation announced that there will be an Article 32 military hearing that may reveal whether President Barack Obama is a native-born citizen of the United States. The hearing is set for June 11, after Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin refused to deploy to Afghanistan “because the president refuses — even in the face of mounting evidence to the contrary — to prove his eligibility under the Constitution to hold office.”

The American Patriot foundation operates the Safeguard Our Constitution website, which generated a great deal of support for the movement for Obama to provide documentation proving his eligibility to serve as President. Those involved in the movement have been dubbed “birthers”, a term that has generally been met with contempt by the mainstream media and Obama supporters.

However, Lakin’s staunch insistence that Obama is responsible for proving his eligibility has gained some notoriety, even prompting CNN to provide media attention to the movement on Anderson Cooper’s program. On the show, both Lakin and his attorney, Paul Rolf Jensen, presented a series of facts to legitimatize their concerns.

The “certification of live birth” found on the Internet, which purports to prove that Obama was born in Hawaii, has been dismissed as valid proof, as it is a “short-form” document, as opposed to the “long-form” document that lists the hospital and attending physician. “Short-form” documents are easily obtainable. In addition to Obama’s missing birth certificate, other documentation that has been concealed includes kindergarten, elementary, and secondary school records; college records; Harvard Law Review articles; passport; medical records; Illinois State Bar Association records; baptism records; and adoption records.

The constitutional language in question is tricky, as it states that the president of the United States must be a “natural born citizen,” though the term has been undefined. Some argue the term means that the president must be born in the United States to two parents that were also born in the United States. If that proves to be the case, Obama would be disqualified, since he has openly admitted that his father never was a U. S. citizen. However, much of the legal challenge of Obama’s eligibility rests upon the presumption that Obama was not even born in Hawaii, as he claims.

As a result of Lakin’s oppositional failure to report to duty, charges have been filed against him. According to Safeguard Our Constitution, the charges against Lakin are serious and can result in “years of hard labor in a penitentiary,” but Lakin refuses to rescind his demands, as he asserts that serving in a military operation under an ineligible president is illegal. It is Lakin’s hope that the charges against him will lead to the discovery of information to prove or disprove Obama’s legitimacy, which is his ultimate objective.

In the past, however, this has not proven to be the case. Attorney John Hemenway was threatened with sanctions by a federal judge when he attempted to challenge Obama’s presidency. Hemenway welcomed the threat, however, as he believed it would lead to a “discovery hearing,” which would necessitate the search for documentation proving Obama’s eligibility. At that point, the court rescinded its sanction threats.

Any deployment orders filed under Obama that were met by questions of his eligibility have been rescinded. World Net Daily columnist Vox Day writes that this behavior suggests “that the Pentagon generals are not entirely confident that they can demonstrate the legitimacy of their purported commander-in-chief.”

According to World Net Daily, “Obama’s actual response to those who question his eligibility to be president under the Constitution’s requirement that the U.S. president to be a ‘natural born citizen’ has been to dispatch both private and tax-funded attorneys to prevent anyone from gaining access to his documentation.”

Lakin joins the ranks of Army doctor Capt. Connie Rhodes and Army reservist Maj. Stefan Cook, both who have also questioned Obama’s legitimacy, but Lakin remains the first-active duty officer to raise issue.

Additionally, recent ABC polls reveal that tens of millions of Americans question Obama’s eligibility, including many who are in favor of Obama.

In addition to the controversy over Obama’s birth certificate, World Net Daily’s Jerome Corsi reports that “two independent investigations by two different investigators in two different states (using two different data sources) discovered that the Social Security number used by Barack Obama mysteriously coincides with Social Security numbers verified to have been issued by the state of Connecticut between 1977 and 1979, a full two years after Obama’s first, publicly-documented record of employment at a Hawaii Baskin-Robbins back in 1975.” If this is true, not only is President Obama guilty of illegally accepting the presidency, but of identity theft as well.

Joseph Farah, founder of the World Net Daily, has launched a full-fledged campaign questioning Obama’s presidential legitimacy. A petition has been circulated, generating 500,000 signatures from those demanding proof of Obama’s eligibility, while yard signs, bumper stickers, and billboards are popping up asking “Where’s the birth certificate?”


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: 1honestman; 1honestpatriot; 1manvsevil; 1patriot; bho44; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; naturalborncitizen; obama; obamacon; obamanoncitizenissue; obamathebirther; terrylakin; usurper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
You like using bait, don't you.
41 posted on 05/20/2010 12:22:07 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

BUMP


42 posted on 05/20/2010 12:25:34 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping List-freepmail me to be included or removed. <{{{><)
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To: philman_36

Can’t fish with dynamite, it’s dis-legal. LOL


43 posted on 05/20/2010 12:26:29 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: philman_36; verity
"it isn't to give your support for the cause. "

Support for the cause? What "cause" is that, exactly.

The military is no place to make political statements. This is especially true of our commissioned officers.

I suppose you were all for those uniformed service members who sued George Bush and Don Rumsfeld for conducting an illegal war, right?

If this guy want to score political points, then he should resign his commission and start a blog or run for office. Otherwise, he should take a big drink of STFU, and start obeying lawful orders.

BTW, my opinion is reflective of virtually every career officer I have ever served with, many serving under Presidents that didn't vote for or particularly like or even respect as men. This is why, should Lakin not not seek an alternative disposition, he's going to get hammered at sentencing. Most of the officers on Lakin panel probably don't like Obama, and probably didn't vote for him, but they're not making political statements. Why is that?

44 posted on 05/20/2010 12:27:59 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: etraveler13

Yeah, Yeah, and supposedly Steven Segal was a CIA man too..Anyone can claim that.


45 posted on 05/20/2010 12:28:32 PM PDT by Michael Barnes (Call me when the bullets start flying.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m in the camp that believes the mere production of a birth certificate doesn’t mean a thing, even if Obama was born in HI. The question of what constitutes a ‘natural born citizen’ should be taken up by the SCOTUS, whether now or down the line.


46 posted on 05/20/2010 12:31:26 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: rodguy911
It's gonna take eye witnesses to swear where this guy actually comes from and once we discover them they will disappear real quick.

True, and I think you could have 100 eye witnesses stand up and testify, but I don't think the court - any court - including the SCOTUS, has the balls to rule that he is ineligible.

47 posted on 05/20/2010 12:34:45 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (The 0bama regime represents an "Clear and Present Danger" to the US - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: bgill

“Godspeed, Lakin.”

Agreed.

He seems like a man of extraordinary convictions. He took the risk of accepting dire consequences for his actions in order to have the opportunity to to argue for what he believes is right.


48 posted on 05/20/2010 12:36:26 PM PDT by Stat-boy
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To: Responsibility2nd
If any so-called "real" journalists were doing their jobs, someone like Joseph Farah and his World Net Daily wouldn't be the only game in town. Woodward and Bernstein had a lot less to go on than Mr. Farah.
49 posted on 05/20/2010 12:37:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: OldDeckHand
...and start obeying lawful orders.
But that's the very point of his action.
Can you tell me (as in prove), or him, beyond a shadow of doubt, that the orders he's receiving are lawful?

...my opinion is...
Your opinion is nothing more than blubbering if you can't prove the previous.

Why is that?
I can't speak for another and wouldn't presume to.

...reflective of virtually every career officer I have ever served with...
Most of the officers on Lakin panel probably don't like Obama, and probably didn't vote for him...

You, on the other hand, seem to take some pride in stating or assuming what other people think or do.

50 posted on 05/20/2010 12:38:59 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: etraveler13
The coverup IMHO, definitely has “professional” written all over it. NO individual,especially one that is probably gay and does drugs, is this good.
51 posted on 05/20/2010 12:39:51 PM PDT by rodguy911 ( Sarah 2012!!! Home of the free because of the brave.)
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To: philman_36
"Can you tell me (as in prove), or him, beyond a shadow of doubt, that the orders he's receiving are lawful? "

Orders are presumptively legal. If you had ever served, you might know that.

There is nothing illegal about an order to deploy. Again, this isn't complicated. Any officer, to especially include any line or legal officer could have told Lakin that. Unfortunately, he's a medical officer who has been given some incompetent legal advice, or he has refused competent legal advice all to make an political point. Either way, he's not the kind of officer the military wants or needs - one that compromises mission integrity for his own personal whims.

52 posted on 05/20/2010 12:43:53 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: philman_36
I completely agree with ODH.

My perfect solution would be for Obama and Lakin to be in adjoining cells.

53 posted on 05/20/2010 12:44:59 PM PDT by verity
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To: The Sons of Liberty

I can’t aruge with you that’s probably true.


54 posted on 05/20/2010 12:47:31 PM PDT by rodguy911 ( Sarah 2012!!! Home of the free because of the brave.)
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To: philman_36
BTW, I see you didn't answer this question...

"I suppose you were all for those uniformed service members who sued George Bush and Don Rumsfeld for conducting an illegal war, right?"

So what is it? Where they all as "patriotic" as Lakin? After all, the circumstances are EXACTLY the same. They alleged George Bush didn't have the legal authority to conduct the Iraq war, and ergo, he didn't have the legal authority to order their deployment.

55 posted on 05/20/2010 12:51:24 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: ilovesarah2012

I think about all the brave men and women who are fighting right now against oppression, and then I think about all the brave men who fought against communism in the past, and here we are in 2010 and it’s on our very shores - in entertainment, in Congress, and in the presidency.

We should have never shut down HUAC. It’s given our domestic enemies courage to act openly against our national interests.


56 posted on 05/20/2010 12:51:25 PM PDT by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: OldDeckHand
Orders are presumptively legal.
So you can't prove whether they were or not. And yet you've already tried and convicted this man.
If you had ever served, you might know that.
There you go presuming again. I did serve, in the Navy.

There is nothing illegal about an order to deploy.
If the orders weren't issued under the proper authority there is.

You've sure got a lot of supposition and assumptions in your argument.

57 posted on 05/20/2010 12:52:00 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: All
0bamas’ hidden records: Why are these off limits?

1 Certified copy of original birth certificate
2 Columbia University transcripts
3 Columbia thesis paper
4 Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
5 Harvard University transcripts
6 Illinois State Senate records
7 Illinois State Senate schedule
8 Law practice client list and billing records/summary
9 Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mother
10 Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
11 Occidental College Transcripts
12 Parent’s marriage Certificate
13 Record of baptism
14 Selective Service registration records
(Did Obama Actually Register for Selective Service?
This supposed revelation of 0's SS records has been debunked here and here.)
15 Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
16 Passport records for all passports
17 Scholarly articles
18 SAT and LSAT test scores
19 Access to his grandmother in Kenya
20 List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
21 Punahou grade school records
22 Noelani Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the the State of Hawaii Department of Education.
23 Page 11 of Stanley Ann Dunham's divorce decree.
24 Why isn't Barack Obama still a member of the Illinois bar and where are all of the relevant documents?
25 Why isn't Michelle Obama still a member of the Illinois bar, after only about four years of practice, and where are all of the relevant documents?

Anyone who cares about their country would be very concerned that a POTUS had hidden every scrap of information of his life that he possibly could.

58 posted on 05/20/2010 12:56:31 PM PDT by TigersEye (0basma's father was a British subject. He can't be a "natural-born" citizen.)
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To: verity
My perfect solution would be for Obama and Lakin to be in adjoining cells.
A more perfect example of an illogical conclusion couldn't have been presented!
If Larkin is proven right and his orders were illegally given he would never end up in a cell.

I completely agree with ODH.
You both sound like you're convicting him for 'presumptuousness of questioning'.

59 posted on 05/20/2010 12:56:33 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: OldDeckHand

Orders are presumptively legal. If you had ever served, you might know that.

There is nothing illegal about an order to deploy. Again, this isn’t complicated. Any officer, to especially include any line or legal officer could have told Lakin that. Unfortunately, he’s a medical officer who has been given some incompetent legal advice, or he has refused competent legal advice all to make an political point. Either way, he’s not the kind of officer the military wants or needs - one that compromises mission integrity for his own personal whims.


OldDeckHand is right. The “proof” is in the legal doctrine known as “de facto officer.” That doctrine clearly states that validity is conferred upon acts performed by a person acting under the color of official title even though it is later discovered that the legality of that person’s appointment or election to office is deficient.
In the Supreme Court of the United States case of Norton v Shelby County (118 U.S. 425, 1886) the court held that “The de facto doctrine springs from the fear of the chaos that would result from multiple and repetitious suits challenging every action taken by every official whose claim to office could be open to question, and seeks to protect the public by insuring the orderly functioning of the government despite technical defects in title to office.”


60 posted on 05/20/2010 12:57:38 PM PDT by jamese777
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