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CONTAMINATION - Coming Soon to Food Near You - Produced by Nalco Corexit - Directed by Barack Obama
Investigating Obama, American Daughter ^ | 6/24/2010 | Nan Matthis

Posted on 06/24/2010 9:26:31 PM PDT by unspun

by Nancy Matthis at American Daughter

The toxic chemical dispersant Corexit 9500 was pumped into the Gulf to counter the oil spill. Now it appears to have gassified, entered the atmosphere, and rained down on inland farmers, damaging crops and killing songbirds:

One month ago, on May 24, The European Union Times wrote about a report prepared by Russia's Ministry of Natural Resources for President Medvedev -- Toxic Oil Spill Rains Warned Could Destroy North America:

A dire report prepared for President Medvedev by Russia's Ministry of Natural Resources is warning ... that the British Petroleum (BP) oil and gas leak in the Gulf of Mexico is about to become the worst environmental catastrophe in all of human history threatening the entire eastern half of the North American continent with "total destruction".

Russian scientists are basing their apocalyptic destruction assessment due to BP's use of millions of gallons of the chemical dispersal agent known as Corexit 9500 which is being pumped directly into the leak of this wellhead over a mile under the Gulf of Mexico waters and designed, this report says, to keep hidden from the American public the full, and tragic, extent of this leak that is now estimated to be over 2.9 million gallons a day.

The dispersal agent Corexit 9500 is a solvent originally developed by Exxon and now manufactured by the Nalco Holding Company of Naperville, Illinois that is four times more toxic than oil....

A greater danger involving Corexit 9500, and as outlined by Russian scientists in this report, is that with its 2.61ppm toxicity level, and when combined with the heating Gulf of Mexico waters, its molecules will be able to "phase transition" from their present liquid to a gaseous state allowing them to be absorbed into clouds and allowing their release as "toxic rain" upon all of Eastern North America.

Even worse, should a Katrina like tropical hurricane form in the Gulf of Mexico while tens of millions of gallons of Corexit 9500 are sitting on, or near, its surface the resulting "toxic rain" falling upon the North American continent could "theoretically" destroy all microbial life to any depth it reaches resulting in an "unimaginable environmental catastrophe" destroying all life forms from the "bottom of the evolutionary chart to the top"....

By June 10 the San Fransico Chronicle reported crop damage -- BP oil spill Corexit dispersants suspected in widespread crop damage:
....It seems like damage brought by the oil gusher has spread way beyond the ocean, coastal areas and beaches. Collateral damage now appears to include agricultural damage way inland Mississippi.

A mysterious "disease" has caused widespread damage to plants from weeds to farmed organic and conventionally grown crops. There is very strong suspicion that ocean winds have blown Corexit aerosol plumes or droplets and that dispersants have caused the unexplained widespread damage or "disease"....

The warning on the Corexit 9500 label is clear enough:
"Keep container tightly closed. Do not get in eyes, on skin, on clothing. Do not take internally. Avoid breathing vapor. Use with adequate ventilation. In case of contact with eyes, rinse immediately with plenty of water and seek medical advice. After contact with skin, wash immediately with plenty of soap and water. Wear suitable protective clothing."
Now the stuff is raining down on us!

Corexit warning label
It has been well-known in the oil industry since the 1980s that oil-eating microbes can clean up the oil with no lasting environmental impact. They were developed at the behest of the Texas Land Office and the Texas Water Commission, and used successfully in 1990 to clean up a large oil spill in Galveston (see Business Insider -- An Oil-Eating Microbe That's Been Around Since 1989 Could Single-Handedly Clean Up BP's Entire Oil Spill).


6/1/2010 video Gulf Oil Spill - Microbes that will eat oil within weeks

So why is Corexit 9500 being used in the Gulf of Mexico? Back on May 30 blogger Jo Anne Moretti published a Bombshell Exposé based on meticulous and lengthy research that she had performed showing that Democrat party bigwigs including Warren Buffett, Maurice Strong, Al Gore, and George Soros reaped huge profits from the sale of Corexit. Not only that, but her findings show that some increased their holdings preceding the disaster:
There is big money and even bigger players in this scam. While they are letting the oil blow wide open into the Gulf, the stakes and profit rise.

The Dolphins, Whales, Manatees, Sea Turtles and fish suffocate and die. The coastal regions, salt marshes, tourist attractions and the shore front properties are being destroyed, possibly permanently. The air quality is diminished. The Gulf of Mexico fishing industry is decimated.

All to create a need for their expensive and extremely profitable poison.

By now an outraged public has become aware of the microbes, which were warehoused in large quantities and available for use in the Gulf. But it is too late to use them now that Corexit has depleted the oxygen in the water. The microbes need oxygen to live long enough to eat the oil.

The European Union Times report sums it up best:

...the greatest lesson to be learned by these Americans is that their government-oil industry cabal has been just as destructive to them as their government-banking one, both of which have done more to destroy the United States these past couple of years than any foreign enemy could dare dream was possible.

But to their greatest enemy the Americans need look no further than their nearest mirror as they are the ones who allowed these monsters to rule over them in the first place.

H/T: Serg N of Common Sense Patriots Related reading:

JoAnneMor -- Bombshell exposé. The real reason the oil still flows into the Gulf of Mexico.

[Note: Jo Anne Mor represents the best of the Blogosphere, an ordinary blogger whose dedicated work uncovers hidden evils that endanger us and makes them public knowledge.]

The Next Right -- BP's strange Democrat bedfellows

One of the top media consultants for British Petroleum gave free rent to a politician who became White House Chief of Staff. And, no, this was not Karl Rove giving a freebie to Andy Card. No, the recipient of the favor was Rahm Emanuel and the benefactor was Stanley Greenberg....
© Nancy Matthis, all rights reserved, published with permission.


TOPICS: Agriculture; Food; Gardening; Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: corexit; crimeinc; deathbystarvation; famine; food; hunger; obama; signsofthetimes; starvation
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1 posted on 06/24/2010 9:26:34 PM PDT by unspun
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To: All
http://coto2.wordpress.com/2010/06/15/bp-oil-spill-corexit-dispersants-suspected-in-widespread-crop-damage/

BP oil spill Corexit dispersants suspected in widespread crop damage

Posted on by coto2admin

By Yobie Benjamin
San Francisco Chronicle

Just when you thought the damages BP could cause was limited to beaches, marshes, oceans, people’s livelihoods, birds and marine life, there’s more.

BP’s favorite dispersant Corexit 9500 is being sprayed at the oil gusher on the ocean floor. Corexit is also being air sprayed across hundreds of miles of oil slicks all across the gulf. There have been widespread reports of oil cleanup crews reporting various injuries including respiratory distress, dizziness and headaches.

Corexit 9500 is a solvent originally developed by Exxon and now manufactured by the Nalco of Naperville, Illinois. Corexit is is four times more toxic than oil (oil is toxic at 11 ppm (parts per million), Corexit 9500 at only 2.61ppm).

In a report written by Anita George-Ares and James R. Clark for Exxon Biomedical Sciences, Inc. titled “Acute Aquatic Toxicity of Three Corexit Products: An Overview” Corexit 9500 was found to be one of the most toxic dispersal agents ever developed.

According to the Clark and George-Ares report, Corexit mixed with the higher gulf coast water temperatures becomes even more toxic. The UK’s Marine Management Organization has banned Corexit so if there was a spill in the UK’s North Sea, BP is banned from using Corexit.

The danger to humans can be expected. The warnings on the Corexit packaging is straightforward. Breathing in Corexit is not recommended.

It seems NALCO Corexit is also dangerous to crops.

It seems like damage brought by the oil gusher has spread way beyond the ocean, coastal areas and beaches. Collateral damage now appears to include agricultural damage way inland Mississippi.

A mysterious “disease” has caused widespread damage to plants from weeds to farmed organic and conventionally grown crops. There is very strong suspicion that ocean winds have blown Corexit aerosol plumes or droplets and that dispersants have caused the unexplained widespread damage or “disease”.

There is no other explanation for the crop damage. Everything points to something that has a widespread effect on plants and crops. While no one precisely knows, all the signs point to BP’s use of aerosolized Corexit brought inland by the ocean winds or rain.

Remember acid rain? Now it seems we could have toxic dispersant rain.

Ed. Note: Or, this could be from acid rain caused by Lucite International’s poisonous gas vapor leak a couple weeks prior:

Vapor leak at Lucite plant north of Frayser causes evacuation of about 200
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2010/may/25/vapor-leak-dupont-plant-frayser-shuts-down-some-bu/?print=1
By Ryan Poe
Originally published 09:30 a.m., May 25, 2010
Updated 11:48 p.m., May 25, 2010

About 200 people were evacuated Tuesday morning in the area north of Frayser after a glitch caused what was described as sulfuric fuming at the Lucite International chemical plant.

Roads within a one-mile radius of the plant, located on Fite Road near U.S. 51, were closed just after the toxic fumes were reported at about 9 a.m., said Shelby County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Steve Shular.

People were able to return to their houses and businesses after the air quality had been tested, shortly before 11 a.m., Shular said.

The toxic fumes were created in the sulfuric acid regeneration facility in the northeast corner of the plant, said Lucite safety, health and environmental manager Tom Eubank. The facility is scheduled for maintenance every 30 days and was about to be checked.

The unexpected glitch that caused the mixture of sulfur dioxide and trioxide is being investigated, Eubank said. He said the facility was shut down before fumes could reach “dangerous concentrations.”

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Chemical Fumes Lead to Evacuation
Updated: Tuesday, 25 May 2010, 12:39 PM CDT
Published : Tuesday, 25 May 2010, 10:22 AM CDT
http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/news/local/052510-chemical-leak-leads-to-evacuation

MEMPHIS, Tenn. – Potentially dangerous chemical fumes at the Lucite International plant near Millington led to the evacuation of businesses and residences along Highway 51 and Fite Road Tuesday morning.

The Lucite plant, which is next to the Dupont plant, started fuming a vapor mix of sulfur dioxide and sulfur trioxide, which reacts with moisture in the air to create a dense sulfuric acid mist. Sulfur trioxide can be harmful if ingested or inhaled, and can also cause skin and severe eye irritation on contact.

Plant spokesman Tom Eubanks said there was not a chemical leak, but referred to the situation as “a fuming condition” as the sulfuric acid regeneration plant was started up.

The Shelby County Fire Department and HAZMAT teams were called in to assist.

Several businesses along Highway 51 between Fite Road and the Loosahatchie River in about a one mile radius were evacuated until emergency crews safely cleared the scene.

Steve Shular, a spokesman for the Shelby County Sheriff’s Office, said 30-40 people in the immediate area were affected by the evacuation.

Marney Gillmore, the manager of the Lucite International plant, said that the all-clear was sounded around 10:15am, about an hour after vapor was found escaping.

Gillmore said about 200 plant employees were instructed to follow emergency procedures and went to safety sites within the plant, which was not evacuated.

No injuries were reported.


2 posted on 06/24/2010 9:30:40 PM PDT by unspun (It's individual, state & national sovereignties, 'stupid' - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: unspun
Oh my Lord. Is this for real? If it is, here comes famine, our economy destroyed, everything. We're toast.
3 posted on 06/24/2010 9:31:21 PM PDT by Othniel (Meddlng in human affairs for 1/20th of a millennium.......)
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4 posted on 06/24/2010 9:32:04 PM PDT by unspun (It's individual, state & national sovereignties, 'stupid' - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: Othniel

I’m sure we’ll find out more (and they need to shut off the flow, so it won’t become a catastrophe for the entire Gulf and gulf states).


5 posted on 06/24/2010 9:35:51 PM PDT by unspun (It's individual, state & national sovereignties, 'stupid' - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: unspun
From the article posted:

But to their greatest enemy the Americans need look no further than their nearest mirror as they are the ones who allowed these monsters to rule over them in the first place.

Yes, it's us EVIL Americans again. How about the horny poodle boy who was almost president? Yes, I guess he is an American, but in name only.

6 posted on 06/24/2010 9:39:44 PM PDT by mplsconservative (I stand with Israel.)
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To: unspun

Everyday it is more and more evident that obozo and the feds have every intention of making this as disastrous as possible.


7 posted on 06/24/2010 9:41:53 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: unspun

Placemark.


8 posted on 06/24/2010 9:42:38 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: unspun

horrific and needlessly so.

What is the timeline from harvest of Shrimp in the gulf to earliest appearance in the freezers at Walmart, Safeway etc?

Seems like we need to find out and also if there’s any way to find out where shrimp etc. comes from.


9 posted on 06/24/2010 9:45:10 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Eagles6
Everyday it is more and more evident that obozo and the feds have every intention of making this as disastrous as possible.

Just as with the Mortgage Meltdown, "Stimulus," etc., etc., it seems to be Trotsky-Gramsci-Alyinski-Cloward-Piven-Ayers-Soros-Pelosi-Obama. Bring on the revolution....

10 posted on 06/24/2010 9:46:24 PM PDT by unspun (It's individual, state & national sovereignties, 'stupid' - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: Quix

Don’t know about the shrimp timeline.

The timeline that stands out in my mind is the one with Maurice Strong’s 2012 deadline.


11 posted on 06/24/2010 9:49:33 PM PDT by unspun (It's individual, state & national sovereignties, 'stupid' - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: unspun
From Treehugger.com:

The fact is that we are running a huge ecological experiment in the Gulf. But the amount of chemicals going into the environment, even from the direct application of chemicals to combat the oil, is dwarfed by the amount of chemicals used by consumers and industry every day. As the questions first arose about the ecological safety of the dispersants BP is using, reports indicated that over 2.2 million liters of the sprayed dispersant and over 300 thousand liters of the underwater dispersant had been released. Even assuming the sulfonic acid salts in these dispersants, probably the ingredients of most concern, are present at the higher end of the range Nalco discloses, one could project that a couple thousand tons of active chemical will be used by the end of this operation.

Compare that to the millions of tons of these chemicals that go into our wastestreams every year from the normal everyday products we use. Even if you assume, optimistically, that 100% of this chemical waste goes to waste treatment at 99.9% efficiency, our ordinary use of these chemicals rivals the BP oil spill treatment every year. Is it time to take the anger at the oil spill and turn it into energy for change? It is not only accidents we need to prevent...

12 posted on 06/24/2010 9:51:59 PM PDT by BuckyKat (Green is the new red.)
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To: All

The warning on the Corexit 9500 label is clear enough:

“Keep container tightly closed. Do not get in eyes, on skin, on clothing. Do not take internally. Avoid breathing vapor. Use with adequate ventilation. In case of contact with eyes, rinse immediately with plenty of water and seek medical advice. After contact with skin, wash immediately with plenty of soap and water. Wear suitable protective clothing.”
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Not that I think using this stuff is good, but I think we should try to stay calm and not get hysterical.

Have you read the back of a bottle of Clorox?

The warnings on it are almost identical.

Clorox Cleanup with bleach says you should wear protective eye wear when using it.

Heck, pool chemical labels are downright frightening to read.


13 posted on 06/24/2010 9:57:52 PM PDT by Irenic
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To: neverdem

PINGO


14 posted on 06/24/2010 10:01:15 PM PDT by bitt ( "Obama - He’s last year’s boy band." (steyn))
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To: Irenic

http://lmrk.org/corexit_9500_uscueg.539287.pdf

Here’s a link to the Corexit 9500 MSDS. It may be good for Warren Buffett, Soros, and Gore but it isn’t good for the Gulf of Mexico and all the sealife, wildlife, and people that live along the coast.


15 posted on 06/24/2010 10:08:59 PM PDT by boycott (CAL)
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To: unspun
I think the Ruskies are full of beans on this one. The Gulf has a very large volume of water. It has to get to the surface to evaporate. The surface area vs. total volume is rather small, therefore it would take quite a while for it to evaporate significantly. The amount of time required to evaporate the volatile portions of the mixture would tend to reduce the air carried concentration significantly.

Would it adversely affect plant life? Maybe, but I don't believe that anyone knows enough about the dynamics that affect the concentration in rainwater, let alone whether it could actually adversely affect the growth of plants in the concentrations that rain water “might” have in it. Would it reach the East Coast? No one really knows. What might you guess? Would it kill “millions” of people like some news sources are screeching? What do you suppose?

There's a lot of BS going around about this stuff, and very little actual scientific evidence. Remember when Carl Sagan, and his scientific cronies, stated that the Middle East oil well fires were going to plunge us into something akin to a “nuclear winter”? Well, they were all shooting from the hip. They had no scientific evidence to make such prognostications. In short their predictions never transpired because they didn't have enough knowledge to make those conclusions. Especially embarrassing for scientists who errantly lecture us on systems that they don't understand. I'm picking on scientists as I've a few scientific degrees myself, but I learned enough to realize what I didn't know, so it's a fair critique.

As to the Gulf region being “permanently” destroyed by oil? Again, horse throw of the highest order. Oil will screw up the wetlands for a few years, but oil doesn't stick around very well. It evaporates, is oxidized by UV, and eaten by bacteria. Eventually, nature will repair itself. It might not happen in my lifetime, but I'm a geezer already. 100, 200 years, it's really a snap of the fingers to nature. These subterranean reservoirs of oil have let loose in the past, and the Gulf's still there (but the Gulf's been around for a bazillion years, even though we won't be). Don't worry about nature, it'll take care of itself. Time is on its side.

Best to concentrate on plugging the leak, and pumping as much of that dangerous oil out of the ground before it can leak again. Think of oil exploration as a method of cleaning up potential oil spills. The sooner you can remove it, the safer we'll all be.

Oh, yes. Never, ever trust the SF Chronicle for a worthwhile story on the environment. They're incapable of summoning either the scientific acumen, or the objectivity to do the job properly.

Just sayin’.

16 posted on 06/24/2010 10:12:47 PM PDT by Habibi ("It is vain to do with more what can be done with less." - William of Occam)
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To: mplsconservative

I sympathize with the “greatest enemy” statement somewhat. How the majority of the voters in this country could have voted for this clown is absolutely unfathomable to me.


17 posted on 06/24/2010 10:17:48 PM PDT by Persevero (It's going to be a long summer.)
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To: boycott
2.5 million liters is 15,724 barrels, as in barrels used to measure oil. That is the total release (according to reports) of the dispersant over the lifetime of the spill. This is compared to roughly 19,000 barrels of crude oil spilling from the Deepwater wildcat well head per day.

I know this is going far, far out on a limb here, but somehow I think that 50 times the volume of crude oil is going to pretty much negate the minuscule risk as listed in the material safety sheet you posted for handling the fully concentrated form of dispersant.

Personally, I think the dispersant is a total waste of time. What with the up to 40% concentration of methane in the crude stream, as well as the pressure differences of the pipe (8,000 pounds per square inch) vs surface pressure of 14.7 pounds per square inch, I gotta go with the natural form of a refinery cracking tower being pretty efficient at breaking up that crude before it reaches the surface.

As for this report from Russia, I take it with the same scientific scrutiny I would apply to any checkstand tabloid.

18 posted on 06/24/2010 10:30:13 PM PDT by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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To: unspun

They’re not even trying to hide it anymore.


19 posted on 06/24/2010 10:33:15 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: Quix
Seems like we need to find out and also if there’s any way to find out where shrimp etc. comes from.

At my Walmart, most of the shrimp is from China, and Indonesia.

20 posted on 06/24/2010 10:52:20 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: unspun; xzins; blue-duncan; P-Marlowe; 1000 silverlings; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; Quix; RnMomof7
Unbelievable.

We're being played, but it's just not clear who's doing the playing.

21 posted on 06/24/2010 10:56:28 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Ros<P>)
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To: sockmonkey

hmmmm i WONDERED about that.

THX.


22 posted on 06/24/2010 11:11:32 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

THESE FOLKS, this little club . . .

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2

HAVE BEEN playing the American citizens for fools and like a piano for 110 and more years.

Beyond that, I’m not sure who you’re considering.


23 posted on 06/24/2010 11:12:53 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

And they really are quite deadly serious about forcably exterminating the world population down to 200 million.


24 posted on 06/24/2010 11:18:05 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: unspun

I’m right on the Miss coast. Best year ever for my lawn and garden. Absolutely lush and green. Lots of birds and insects. More songbirds than usual because of the great conditions this year. About the only thing good happening this year.


25 posted on 06/24/2010 11:29:48 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

...”Unbelievable.
We’re being played, but it’s just not clear who’s doing the playing”...

My first thoughts after reading this was what I heard Glen Beck say the other day..He admonished to watch for drastic moves by this administration because of the falling poll numbers..Part of that plan might be to scare this population into submission with something beyond the failed global warming push of the past few years. While we need to protect our planet the best we can, we also need to understand that there are those very, very rich people out there, some not even citizens of our own nation, who would be happy to form an unholy alliance to take over the whole world. What do you do when you are totally bored with all the material wealth money can buy?..Why, you try to dominate and enslave the human spirit out of your envy of God. We are in very dangerous times and not primarily from the oil spill. As always, it is human evil which will get us in the end.


26 posted on 06/25/2010 12:49:17 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: kingu
2.5 million liters is 15,724 barrels, as in barrels used to measure oil. That is the total release (according to reports) of the dispersant over the lifetime of the spill. This is compared to roughly 19,000 barrels of crude oil spilling from the Deepwater wildcat well head per day.

I know this is going far, far out on a limb here, but somehow I think that 50 times the volume of crude oil is going to pretty much negate the minuscule risk as listed in the material safety sheet you posted for handling the fully concentrated form of dispersant.

Reasonable observation. However, the Corexit is separating the oil into its constituent parts, harming both the ocean and the air. It acts like a poor refinery. Instead of crude oil that rises and cane be skimmed off the top of the sea, one gets, the various chemicals such as pentane, heptane, octane, etc. More stays down in the various levels of the sea and (perhaps) more some rises into the air.

According to a great many experts, this Corexit path is doing much more harm than good, compared to other options.

Consider this an alert about the possibility of big problems in the air/rain. Big problems in the sea are a given, and have been guaranteed to be much, much worse than had the massive skimming, suction, absorption, and bacteriological digestion methods that people from all over the world have been trying to get Obama administration to adopt.

27 posted on 06/25/2010 1:26:02 AM PDT by unspun (It's individual, state & national sovereignties, 'stupid' - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: Habibi
..therefore it would take quite a while for it to evaporate significantly.

It is being dispersed into oil which is lighter then water and eventually floats up to the surface in slicks.

28 posted on 06/25/2010 1:30:54 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: unspun
Consider this an alert about the possibility of big problems in the air/rain.

At the very least they have decided to pursue a path that minimizes short term negatives (visible oil slicks). This is accomplished by maximizing the long term negatives (corexit fallout). Looks like they are only worried about the effects this spill has on the upcoming November elections.

29 posted on 06/25/2010 1:40:41 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

I do believe you are right. This dispersant is used solely for show and tell, questionable people are making a huge profit at the risk of millions living near the Gulf.

I really honestly hate saying this and I do deserve any criticism but I am again truly glad I live in Alaska.

Too cold and remote for politicians to majorly screw up.


30 posted on 06/25/2010 2:39:40 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: unspun

Every move was made by the DNC and Obama and BP

for the cap and trade patent (held by the DNC)
for Soros and Petrobras
against the American people, their children and future.


31 posted on 06/25/2010 2:52:01 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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To: unspun

bump


32 posted on 06/25/2010 4:18:25 AM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping List-freepmail me to be included or removed. <{{{><)
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To: Diogenesis

Gulf of Mexico is now The Obama Dead Sea.


33 posted on 06/25/2010 4:22:16 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: justa-hairyape

“It is being dispersed into oil which is lighter then water and eventually floats up to the surface in slicks.”

Well, it rather depends on what the Corexit is doing to the oil. There’s a nifty site that discusses Corexit, and how it works, which might interest you.

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6578

Now mind you,this site has a mix of academics and practitioners, which always leads to interesting discussions. Such conversations also tend to cut through the media driven BS that all too often clouds the reality of environmental problems. Transparency can be really refreshing.

I’ll warn you that some of this stuff will make your eyes cross, and reflects some uncerainty on the part of the tech community. That’s ok though, as knowing what we don’t know helps to target the enquiry. The particular variety of Conexit used in the Gulf is a bit light in the formulation area. It is reputed to have some strong surfactants (detergents), but that needs to be elaborated on before a real discussion can proceed on it. I’m sure the formulation will become available, but from the literature I was able to acquire, some of the contents are still proprietary.

If the surfactant effect is significant, it’s going to be putting a lot of this oil into solution, much as the cooking oils in your kitchen sink. That would tend to keep the oil away form the surface in the first place.

Like most natural/unnatural systems, the variables can confound those seeking easy answers. Be very careful about buying into simple environmental theories about the situation at an early stage. Right now, the Ludite environmental opportunists are regurgitating whatever comes into their technically feeble brains. For good or ill, accurate environmental answers are not going to come for a long time. Right now you’re seeing PC-PR spin thats only produced by organizations trying to push particular agendas that have little to do with reality. In months, or years, we’ll actually know some of the answers as to how Corexit works in this particular environment. Those who profess to know the answers at this early stage are not to be trusted, but it is interesting to pick apart their agenda driven mantras that are trying to pass off as scientific knowledge.


34 posted on 06/25/2010 6:22:11 AM PDT by Habibi ("It is vain to do with more what can be done with less." - William of Occam)
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To: Habibi

Been to the Oil Drum. Just too busy to read all the threads that deal with this spill. And yes the various political groups will be coming to the situation from their perspectives. At any rate, since the formulation is proprietary, we can only guess at this point in time.


35 posted on 06/25/2010 6:59:11 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Habibi

A ping to you...

I quoted your No. 34 post via my 22 here...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2541314/posts?page=1


36 posted on 06/25/2010 7:59:06 AM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: unspun

So now FR is going to quote “russian government sources” and pretend they are fact-based?

Corexit is not an evaporative agent, it biodegrades, it isn’t getting into the atmosphere, even when sprayed from above it has a very low travel distance (about 2000 feet in a 30 mph wind).

It’s also not all that toxic, it is made up materials all of which you can find in common household products, including cleaners and body lotions.

And they haven’t sprayed enough that it could, if dispersed, spread enough to cause widespread disaster, even it it was actually highly toxic AND could be evaporated and didn’t biodegrade.

FR is just being too inundated with all this crap from the environmentalist whacko movement. We might as well become shills for cap and trade.


37 posted on 06/25/2010 8:43:57 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: unspun
I'm especially amused by the warning label:

"Keep container tightly closed. Do not get in eyes, on skin, on clothing. Do not take internally. Avoid breathing vapor. Use with adequate ventilation. In case of contact with eyes, rinse immediately with plenty of water and seek medical advice. After contact with skin, wash immediately with plenty of soap and water. Wear suitable protective clothing."

Have you looked at the warning label on the products you have around the house?

If a product doesn't tell you to do a 15-minute rinse and seek medical advice for skin contact, it's not really hazardous. You'll find this warning on your formula 409 that you spray all over your kitchen.

You should see the warning on the chlorine bottle they pour into the pool you swim in every day.


38 posted on 06/25/2010 8:46:46 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: unspun
BP chose more toxic, less effective oil dispersant manufactured by company …

They didn't. The EPA asked them about this, and BP responded, and the EPA agreed with the response.

39 posted on 06/25/2010 8:47:37 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Irenic
Heck, pool chemical labels are downright frightening to read.

Yep, and yet we actually SWIM in those chemicals.

40 posted on 06/25/2010 8:49:42 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: boycott
Here's a list of ingredients:

CAS #

Name

Common Day-to-Day Use Examples

1338-43-8

Sorbitan, mono-(9Z)-9-octadecenoate

Skin cream, body shampoo, emulsifier in juice

9005-65-6

Sorbitan, mono-(9Z)-9-octadecenoate, poly(oxy-1,2-ethanediyl) derivs.

Baby bath, mouth wash, face lotion, emulsifier in food

9005-70-3

Sorbitan, tri-(9Z)-9-octadecenoate, poly(oxy-1,2-ethanediyl) derivs

Body/Face lotion, tanning lotions

577-11-7

* Butanedioic acid, 2-sulfo-, 1,4-bis(2-ethylhexyl) ester, sodium salt (1:1)

Wetting agent in cosmetic products, gelatin, beverages

29911-28-2

Propanol, 1-(2-butoxy-1-methylethoxy)

Household cleaning products

64742-47-8

Distillates (petroleum), hydrotreated light

Air freshener, cleaner

111-76-2

** Ethanol, 2-butoxy

Cleaners

The EPA, the Centers for Disease Control, and 30 major industrial countries all think this is much better for the environment than the oil.

The environmentalist whackos say otherwise, as does apparently the Russian minister of energy or something like that.

41 posted on 06/25/2010 8:52:14 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: unspun
According to a great many experts, this Corexit path is doing much more harm than good, compared to other options.

In my opinion, these people are not "experts", they don't seem to know how this stuff actually works, or what it's properties are. The people we pay to make these decisions certainly have come to a different conclusion.

And before you tell me that I can't trust the EPA, when is the last time you remember the EPA saying something that was dangerous is actually SAFE? They are known for telling us that safe things are dangerous.

And when is the last time the CDC told people things were safe when they were not? Isn't the CDC the group that had us all worked up over the swine flu?

Government doesn't underplay things, they are paid to overregulate.

42 posted on 06/25/2010 8:58:31 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Habibi
but from the literature I was able to acquire, some of the contents are still proprietary

What I've read indicates we have all the ingredients, what we don't have is the relative concentrations. I posted the ingredients above this post in a table format, along with a list of household items that use them.

43 posted on 06/25/2010 9:00:33 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Habibi
Those who profess to know the answers at this early stage are not to be trusted, but it is interesting to pick apart their agenda driven mantras that are trying to pass off as scientific knowledge.

Thank you. Excellent posts, good sound insight.
44 posted on 06/25/2010 9:04:32 AM PDT by mstar
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“I posted the ingredients above this post “

Thank you very much for doing this. This is far more useful than listening to some Green’s babble. Get the numbers. Get the ingredients. It’s the start of moving towards an answer.


45 posted on 06/25/2010 9:24:25 AM PDT by Habibi ("It is vain to do with more what can be done with less." - William of Occam)
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To: Habibi

Never look diretly at “Corexit” ....

But seriously, I think this is all bad news ....


46 posted on 06/25/2010 9:31:25 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: mstar

There are many freepers here from big pharma and big agra that carry water for their masters, I’m sure they are a few who will carry water on this issue here too, they are easy to spot as well.


47 posted on 06/25/2010 9:33:15 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

It couldn’t be that they actually believe in what they do for a living, and are trying to provide their expertise?


48 posted on 06/25/2010 9:59:58 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

No, you’re right, that could be it, it’s just that they’re wrong and in large part brainwashed/uneducated ...


49 posted on 06/25/2010 11:26:35 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: unspun
Reasonable observation.

Which will be about to be ignored...

However, the Corexit is separating the oil into its constituent parts, harming both the ocean and the air.

1,250 barrels of Corexit treating 1.6 million barrels of crude oil is doing all of this, rather than the 8,000 psi wellhead pressure, the 40% methane concentration, the mile long transit from release point to surface... So if they cease to treat the oil at the wellhead with Corexit, then everything will be just fine, and we can use all the great traditional clean up methods.

Sorry, I've run out of suspension of physics for this week.

50 posted on 06/25/2010 11:27:19 AM PDT by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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