Posted on 06/24/2010 9:26:31 PM PDT by unspun
We're being played, but it's just not clear who's doing the playing.
hmmmm i WONDERED about that.
THX.
THESE FOLKS, this little club . . .
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2
HAVE BEEN playing the American citizens for fools and like a piano for 110 and more years.
Beyond that, I’m not sure who you’re considering.
And they really are quite deadly serious about forcably exterminating the world population down to 200 million.
I’m right on the Miss coast. Best year ever for my lawn and garden. Absolutely lush and green. Lots of birds and insects. More songbirds than usual because of the great conditions this year. About the only thing good happening this year.
...”Unbelievable.
We’re being played, but it’s just not clear who’s doing the playing”...
My first thoughts after reading this was what I heard Glen Beck say the other day..He admonished to watch for drastic moves by this administration because of the falling poll numbers..Part of that plan might be to scare this population into submission with something beyond the failed global warming push of the past few years. While we need to protect our planet the best we can, we also need to understand that there are those very, very rich people out there, some not even citizens of our own nation, who would be happy to form an unholy alliance to take over the whole world. What do you do when you are totally bored with all the material wealth money can buy?..Why, you try to dominate and enslave the human spirit out of your envy of God. We are in very dangerous times and not primarily from the oil spill. As always, it is human evil which will get us in the end.
Reasonable observation. However, the Corexit is separating the oil into its constituent parts, harming both the ocean and the air. It acts like a poor refinery. Instead of crude oil that rises and cane be skimmed off the top of the sea, one gets, the various chemicals such as pentane, heptane, octane, etc. More stays down in the various levels of the sea and (perhaps) more some rises into the air.
According to a great many experts, this Corexit path is doing much more harm than good, compared to other options.
Consider this an alert about the possibility of big problems in the air/rain. Big problems in the sea are a given, and have been guaranteed to be much, much worse than had the massive skimming, suction, absorption, and bacteriological digestion methods that people from all over the world have been trying to get Obama administration to adopt.
It is being dispersed into oil which is lighter then water and eventually floats up to the surface in slicks.
At the very least they have decided to pursue a path that minimizes short term negatives (visible oil slicks). This is accomplished by maximizing the long term negatives (corexit fallout). Looks like they are only worried about the effects this spill has on the upcoming November elections.
I do believe you are right. This dispersant is used solely for show and tell, questionable people are making a huge profit at the risk of millions living near the Gulf.
I really honestly hate saying this and I do deserve any criticism but I am again truly glad I live in Alaska.
Too cold and remote for politicians to majorly screw up.
Every move was made by the DNC and Obama and BP
for the cap and trade patent (held by the DNC)
for Soros and Petrobras
against the American people, their children and future.
bump
Gulf of Mexico is now The Obama Dead Sea.
“It is being dispersed into oil which is lighter then water and eventually floats up to the surface in slicks.”
Well, it rather depends on what the Corexit is doing to the oil. There’s a nifty site that discusses Corexit, and how it works, which might interest you.
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6578
Now mind you,this site has a mix of academics and practitioners, which always leads to interesting discussions. Such conversations also tend to cut through the media driven BS that all too often clouds the reality of environmental problems. Transparency can be really refreshing.
I’ll warn you that some of this stuff will make your eyes cross, and reflects some uncerainty on the part of the tech community. That’s ok though, as knowing what we don’t know helps to target the enquiry. The particular variety of Conexit used in the Gulf is a bit light in the formulation area. It is reputed to have some strong surfactants (detergents), but that needs to be elaborated on before a real discussion can proceed on it. I’m sure the formulation will become available, but from the literature I was able to acquire, some of the contents are still proprietary.
If the surfactant effect is significant, it’s going to be putting a lot of this oil into solution, much as the cooking oils in your kitchen sink. That would tend to keep the oil away form the surface in the first place.
Like most natural/unnatural systems, the variables can confound those seeking easy answers. Be very careful about buying into simple environmental theories about the situation at an early stage. Right now, the Ludite environmental opportunists are regurgitating whatever comes into their technically feeble brains. For good or ill, accurate environmental answers are not going to come for a long time. Right now you’re seeing PC-PR spin thats only produced by organizations trying to push particular agendas that have little to do with reality. In months, or years, we’ll actually know some of the answers as to how Corexit works in this particular environment. Those who profess to know the answers at this early stage are not to be trusted, but it is interesting to pick apart their agenda driven mantras that are trying to pass off as scientific knowledge.
Been to the Oil Drum. Just too busy to read all the threads that deal with this spill. And yes the various political groups will be coming to the situation from their perspectives. At any rate, since the formulation is proprietary, we can only guess at this point in time.
A ping to you...
I quoted your No. 34 post via my 22 here...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2541314/posts?page=1
So now FR is going to quote “russian government sources” and pretend they are fact-based?
Corexit is not an evaporative agent, it biodegrades, it isn’t getting into the atmosphere, even when sprayed from above it has a very low travel distance (about 2000 feet in a 30 mph wind).
It’s also not all that toxic, it is made up materials all of which you can find in common household products, including cleaners and body lotions.
And they haven’t sprayed enough that it could, if dispersed, spread enough to cause widespread disaster, even it it was actually highly toxic AND could be evaporated and didn’t biodegrade.
FR is just being too inundated with all this crap from the environmentalist whacko movement. We might as well become shills for cap and trade.
"Keep container tightly closed. Do not get in eyes, on skin, on clothing. Do not take internally. Avoid breathing vapor. Use with adequate ventilation. In case of contact with eyes, rinse immediately with plenty of water and seek medical advice. After contact with skin, wash immediately with plenty of soap and water. Wear suitable protective clothing."Have you looked at the warning label on the products you have around the house?
If a product doesn't tell you to do a 15-minute rinse and seek medical advice for skin contact, it's not really hazardous. You'll find this warning on your formula 409 that you spray all over your kitchen.
You should see the warning on the chlorine bottle they pour into the pool you swim in every day.
They didn't. The EPA asked them about this, and BP responded, and the EPA agreed with the response.
Yep, and yet we actually SWIM in those chemicals.
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