Citizen has “Standing” to contest the eligibility of candidates for office

The Post and Email ^ | Jul. 3, 2010 | Sharon Rondeau

[1234]

...At the end of last November, I decided to learn eligibility law in Illinois to find out how it was that there was this issue about Obama’s eligibility.  ... I learned how it was that no one in the state of Illinois at any level of government is ever verified to be constitutionally eligible. ... In regard to 2008, I think that people didn’t know about the law ... through this five-day contest period unless somehow, it’s unveiled in the public and then there’s an uprising and then the state’s attorney might somehow file a charge later on. And it’s not just Illinois; it’s all across the country.  When I went out on the Tea Party Express, I said to people that the eligibility issue is not about just Mr. Obama; it’s about our nation having a constitutional government....Is there a chance that if someone had objected during the five-day contest period back in 2007 or 2008 that Obama might have actually had to show his birth certificate and other proof that he is a “natural born Citizen”? MS. MERONI: Yes, and that’s one of the things I’m testing. Going directly back to Mr. Obama, by testing it now, it gives us an understanding of what we’re going to face in 2011... and if he doesn’t qualify, then he’s not even going to run. That’s what I think: if he doesn’t qualify, he’s not going to run.... To me, he never intended to be in office any longer than one term, and of course there are grave questions about his constitutional eligibility that have never been answered.... So one person could do what you’re doing during any election cycle as long as it’s during the designated period and file an objection to Obama’s constitutional eligibility and have standing to find out?

[1234]

a lengthy 'MUST READ'

Here's the bet: he resigns before 2012 OR doesn't run for second term.

[Artemis Webb]

He’s not going to resign and he’s going to run for a second term. We’re going to have our hands full again with widespread voter fraud but a lot less people will be fooled by the hope and change BS. The GOP has to run a strong candidate though, of course everyone has a different opinion on who that candidate should be.

[ml/nj]

Here's the bet: he resigns before 2012 OR doesn't run for second term.

My bet is no elections in 2012.

ML/NJ

[9YearLurker]

Who would be responsible for dragging our dear FLOTUS out of their party house, kicking and screaming?

[drierice]

Great read, and brave lady.

I recall Obama won his early career contests by disqualifying the opposition through legal loopholes and petitions. It would be ironic if the karma comes back to end his career in the same way.

[badgerlandjim]

My bet is no elections in 2012.

If so, it is my bet there will be a shooting rebellion,

[Artemis Webb]

There were widespread expectations of no elections from FReepers and others on the right in 2000. There were widespread expectations of no elections in 2004 and 2008 from the left. This is a common tin foil hat belief.

There will be elections in 2012.

[newfreep]

If he gets amnesty for his 30-40 million new socialist voters, America as we knew it is finished until Americans rise up and exercise the 2nd Amendment rights.

[1234]

I recall Obama won his early career contests by disqualifying the opposition through legal loopholes and petitions.

yes, thats how the steamrolling got started, as 'the people' went about their routine biz, 'trusting' the political class....

[EQAndyBuzz]

“Who would be responsible for dragging our dear FLOTUS out of their party house, kicking and screaming?”

The voters in 2010.

[9YearLurker]

I don’t think that option’s on the ballot.

[bossmechanic]

There’s never been an accumulation of power-real or imagined- as under Mr. O.

He or his minions have been striping folks of monetary power and communicatave resouces. It would be unwise to write this $hitforbrains off as a dolt.

[ElayneJ]

“But she cannot open up that application to count the number of signatures that are there, nor can she check to see if those signatures are valid. The only way that can be done is through someone objecting. So what usually happens then is that political candidates will object and then they get to look inside to see the signatures.”

This, I believe, is what obama did to challenge and then invalidate his competition in running for senate. He’s the last one who should object to being challenged. Anyway, the idea that citizens “don’t have standing” to challenge our own representatives is absurd. Surely a good lawyer can make the case that eligibility requirements, by virtue of their own existence, must be verified.

[vanilla swirl]

“My bet is no elections in 2012.

If so, it is my bet there will be a shooting rebellion, “

I’m in on that bet. I’ll go so far as saying there will be no elections this fall.

The whole eligibility thing is a waste of time. We are in a completely lawless age. If Hussein shot Michelle my belle on the White House lawn he would get away with it.

(’scuse me while I load my magazines)

[mdmathis6]

I would love to see speculations as to what in the constitution could be used to suspend national elections and have the military go along with it. Military people like to be paid as well so it would have to take bribery on a massive scale(a la the Roman caesars) for Obama to take total control. The country is too large and widely diverse. An invasion perhaps would do it, but the temptation would be that some might join the invaders figuring that Obama’s regime would be worse than the one invading us.

The modus operandi of the current clowns is to lie and slip things under the radar, banking on the natural law abiding tendencies of the US citizens to keep any revolutionary impulses in check. They are banking on their women suporters frankly, to try to keep conservative minded men in line. That will only go so far as I’m already seeing indications that many women Obama supporters, having to deal with cranky unemployed husbands and boyfriends, are starting to turn on this administration in droves. The only reason the Dem’s are in power are because of its women supporters. Even morally conservative women go for Dem’s in high numbers because of the family nest friendly freebies the Dem’s purport to offer. What family minded woman isn’t going to be attracted to ed and med bennies that would enhance their children’s lives?

[ml/nj]

There were widespread expectations of no elections from FReepers and others on the right in 2000

Not from me, nor do I recall any such discussion. Maybe you could come up with a few examples since you suggest this was "widespread"?

That the Dims might have speculated regarding Bush canceling elections wouldn't strike me as particularly unusual as they have a habit of projecting illegal actions they would like to employ upon Republicans.

ML/NJ

[ml/nj]

I’ll go so far as saying there will be no elections this fall.

I also think this is a possibility, but less so than in 2012.

ML/NJ

[ml/nj]

I would love to see speculations as to what in the constitution could be used to suspend national elections and have the military go along with it.

There are no national elections. Elections are run by the States or their subdivisions. There was a primary election scheduled in New York City on September 11, 2001. It was postponed. As for the military, I think this may be one of the reasons that O is comfortable having them continue to fight in Afghanistan. But I doubt that the military is any more organized to stage a coup than the citizenry is. My small sample of random military strangers does suggest that he is detested among the military.

ML/NJ

[mdmathis6]

I wasn’t thinking of a military coup, so much as just getting them to enforce martial law should Obama try to take control.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

I second your prediction. Even when Rome had emperorors, they went through the motions of electing senators. We will have something called an election. And there’s a good chance that fraud and insto-voter illegals will not destroy the public will completely. But the numbers could be artificially shifted dramatically if the Congress of 2010 lacks conservative spine.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

This has been happening to me more and more. I copied the address and loaded it directly into the address box. But then Google reroutes the address and spams me over to here:

http://images.google.com/images?q=http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/07/03/citizen-has-standing-to-contest-the-eligibility-of-candidates-for-office/

I didn’t ask google to search. I simply loaded an address manually, me myself and I ... in the address box.

[FrankR]

"If he gets amnesty for his 30-40 million new socialist voters..."

"Amnesty" ain't "Citizenship"...and you are supposed to be a citizen to vote.

I don't see how - except by one of his bogus executive orders, he can "naturallize" that many people in five months.

On the other hand, the sure-fire rememdy is to motivate enough conservative voters to the polls to offset the surge.

Americans will be paying a lot more attention this time around, I'm thinking. I'm volunteering to be a poll monitor this year, in fact, a lot of people I know are volunteering.

This bunch in DC has GOT TO GO.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

I tried clicking on the link too — crashed maybe?

[Non-Sequitur]

Someone needs to explain to this boob what the definition of ‘standing’ is as it applies to civil suits.

[1234]

I tried clicking on the link too — crashed maybe?

dunno; I tried link above: (Excerpt) Read more at thepostemail.com ....it worked, W/O problem

[Artemis Webb]

RE #16

Well since FR archives don't go back past 2002 (and even if they did I really wouldn't want to spend hours if not days trying to find the info you request) that would be a little hard.

However since your memory seems faulty there are a lot of others who do remember:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1861935/posts

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Didn’t we hear the same tin-foil hat suggestions nearing the end of Clinton’s second term?

2 posted on Friday, July 06, 2007 5:19:25 PM by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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This crud is much older than Clinton’s day. We heard this shortly story shortly before Nixon’s resignation.

4 posted on Friday, July 06, 2007 5:22:15 PM by SaxxonWoods

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The sad thing is that I recall speculation about that by some lunatic fringe “conservatives” back when Clinton was in office.

8 posted on Friday, July 06, 2007 5:23:10 PM by mgstarr

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I recall that as well. A theory being bandied about: will Clinton stay in office longer than he is allowed?

11 posted on Friday, July 06, 2007 5:26:26 PM by lowbridge

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Yes, and much worse. Clinton signed a secret executive order giving himself all power; secret plans were prepared to turn over the US to the United Nations, complete with UN troops already in place; and of course armadas of scary white vans were prepped and ready to take gun-owners to camps. These are just some of the things I recall. And as we know, it all happened exactly like that! ;)

Unfortunately, with the internet here to enable and amplify such silliness, I'm afraid these "he's gonna cancel elections" conspiracy theories are destined to be a recurring feature of our democracy from now on. Every generation of paranoid/self-important/loner 19-year-old idiots will rediscover this "theory" on the web (while searching for info about the Bohemian Grove, and the Nebraska child-porn ring run by Bush Sr.) in the year prior to a Presidential election, they will think they are the first to encounter it, and they will rush to "warn" others, thus it will spread and become a full-fledged crazy theory.

This is basically going to happen - i.e., we're going to have to hear about these idiotic theories - every four years from now on.

18 posted on Friday, July 06, 2007 5:28:52 PM by Dr. Frank fan

You are right we did hear the same thing when it was close to the end of Clinton's presidency...or lack of...

23 posted on Friday, July 06, 2007 5:30:33 PM by Willow25

[anniegetyourgun]

You're right, though I wasn't part of the crowd when Clinton was in office. Couldn't stand him, but he's not Obama - and we aren't simply "in a cycle."

All things changed on 11/4/08.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

My ISP must be piggy-backing off Google or something. All I get is google spam.

[freespirited]

I dont think he likes the day to day realities of being president. I will be surprised if he runs again.

[Artemis Webb]

I don’t think he likes the job but I think he loves the trappings.

[Dutch Boy]

This is what I think will happen.

2010 leads to a massive GOP victory in both houses, even with Dem voter fraud. The Dems will then try to shove every socialist bill they can through between the election and swearing in of the new congress. They will use every underhanded technique they can because this is their last chance. Once Obama loses the ability to pass his agenda he because useless to the socialist cause. That is when a perfect storm of the Blago trial wake, his eligibility and a closer look at the impact of his nationalization efforts will intersect. He will then be removed either through impeachment or illness claim. Biden will be left in charge and to really muck things up for the 2012 election where the GOP is surely to win. However, the Dems will have tried to damage the country so much through Cloward-Piven that it will take a Reagan time 10 to fix it all.

One good thing that has come of the Obama presidency is that we now know who and where many of the power communists are and have been hiding. It will be easier to clean house.

[butterdezillion]

She said in the article that incumbents can’t be trusted to make laws which would force eligibility to be verified because they want to game the system themselves (paraphrased). But I wonder what would happen if a referendum was placed on ballots across the country.

When does that have to get done? When do signatures have to be gathered? I suppose it’s probably too late for the 2010 ballot?

[ml/nj]

2010 leads to a massive GOP victory in both houses

Wish I could be as sure as you. There is still obvious support for O. I went into Manhattan to visit my daughter this weekend and rode in the elevator with a 40s-ish woman. She had an Obama tee-shirt on. I bit my tongue, until she got off.

ML/NJ

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Bill Clinton did, in fact, have a Y2K contingency plan for martial law. I vaguely recall hearing the senator say, “Good.” Note the word, “contingency”. People were justified in feeling concern. Overreaction? Yes — what do you expect?

This is not wacko stuff; it was covered in Senator Bennet’s Y2K hearing. The senator was pleased that a martial law plan was in place. It was a televised event.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Craziest thing — I found the article on a search engine, clicked on the link, and STILL couldn’t load it while others are able to get there directly from here. There is some serious meddling with the routing process of that web page.

[Artemis Webb]

You’re welcome.

[philman_36]

The country is too large and widely diverse.
I tell ya, it's downright insidious!

[melancholy]

Here's the bet: he resigns before 2012 OR doesn't run for second term.

I have been saying this for quite a while. All it takes is a naturalized American candidate for president running in '12. When rejected for not being NBC, that candidate will have standing to sue and demand that all candidates prove their eligibility.

I don't know how a court will decline the "injured party," the candidate who was refused a place on the ballot, for lack of standing!

Does the RNC have the stones to run such a candidate early enough as a shot across 0b0z0’s bow? Early enough to go to court and get a ruling.

Unfortunately, I doubt it.

[Artemis Webb]

Not to get too far off topic but while I agree that Y2K concern was justified that concern brought out the very worst here on FR. It was not our finest moment.

[Joe 6-pack]

"There will be elections in 2012."

I'm guessing there will also be close to 100% voter turnout...maybe over 100%. Obama will win by an overwhelming majority of the vote, and these guys will be there to make sure it happens...

...that's they way it always works in the third world.

[Artemis Webb]

I said there would be elections. I didn’t say they’d be honest. :(

[Marty]

Just go to http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/07/03/citizen-has-standing-to-contest-the-eligibility-of-candidates-for-office/ When I clicked on the link you provided, it was wrong and took me to a search area. The problem is that you have a link to google images in the address and therefore, it was the wrong link. It was not spam, just an error on your part. BTW, Google fights spam--I know, I was a Google ad rater for a couple of years and ran into lots of areas in which they fought it.

[1234]

I remember this pic; better if it has more text identifying its context-sumptin like “ goons helping vote count, etc....

[rosettasister]

Can’t get to eutimes.net from Google? Censorship?

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22who+served+as+senior+government+records+clerk+in+Honolulu+in+2008%22+site:eutimes.net&hl=en&lr=&tbs=qdr:d,sbd:1&filter=0

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National Magazine Globe says

Obama not Born in U.S.

EU Times, by staff

http://lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=550280

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

I appreciate your help, but I also clicked on links. It can’t possibly be a typo on my part. I clicked on your link too — blank page.

Somehow google managed to spam google desktop in my system. I wonder if that has something to do with it? I can’t get rid of the darn thing, and it tries to automatically kick me online sometimes. I complained to google and received no response.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Or it could be that I set my browser to not load images. I frequently run into similar problems at WND. I click on a link and end up with a “google images” page.

[thethirddegree]

If so, it is my bet there will be a shooting rebellion,

If it happens, it will take a lot more than the SS to protect Obama's sorry marxist ass.

[JimRed]

My bet is no elections in 2012.

Oh, the elections will come off, but the world ends on 12/23/2012 (Maya calendar).

[Marty]

It’s probably time to get someone to take a look at your computer. It’s not behaving properly, as you may have noticed. I had no problem loading my link.

[1234]

...Censorship?

HUH?

I tried to post the folowing article: http://www.eutimes.net/2010/07/national-magazine-globe-says-obama-not-born-in-u-s/

FR blocked me coz it's an 'unacceptable source'....