Posted on 07/08/2010 9:22:43 AM PDT by decimon
Says lower IQ rates will help it deal with smaller U.S. talent pool
The U.S. has arguably been the most desirable place in the world to get a college education with international students from China, India, Japan, and others all traveling to the U.S. with that express purpose. However, there's serious signs of trouble; U.S. citizens' college graduation rates are in danger of falling behind China. Japanese enrollment is down as U.S. universities are slowly falling out of favor. And at least one executive of an Indian firm complained that American graduates were "unemployable".
Adding to the list of awkward statistics is a recent announcement by Bleum Inc., a Chinese outsourcing company. In China, with a deluge of available highly-intelligent graduates, Bleum Inc. requires that its workers score over 140 on an IQ test.
When it decided to recruit American computer science graduates, though, it decided that bar was way too high. It dropped the requirement for the Americans down to 120, a move it says reflects a lower pool of talented college grads in the U.S.
Bleum says the move is meant as no affront to the U.S. Its founder and CEO Eric Rongley is actually an American himself. He says that in China his firm gets thousands of applications a week from eager college grads. With about 1,000 employees, his firm hires less than 1 percent of those who apply. He states, "It is much harder to get into Bleum than it is to Harvard."
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>> Don’t forget the teachers’ unions.
With the right education, IQ scores can be raised significantly. I don’t see this as a priority for the union teacher.
ROFLMAO!!
The US is better off for it.
Why would you want the Chinese approach?
“Yet, my darling, it’s incroyable,
That someone so unemployable
Should think I’m,
Unemployable too”
Excellent.
The problem is that China sends their best and brightest over here to get an education in the USA (notice the article didn't really say where these Chinese grads were getting theitr education from...especially at the post-graduate level, you can be guaranteed that a goodly share are from US universities), and these then take the skill set right back over to China.
The Chinese have a marginally higher average IQ compared to Americans (Chinese - ~103-105, white Americans - ~101-103), but there are so many more Chinese that they will statistically be guaranteed to have many more 140+ IQ individuals. The same thing applies with India, though less so, since the average Indian IQ (from what I've read) is down around 95 or so, so there will be fewer far-right end of the bell curve types - but the ones they do have mostly seem to come here, get educated, and then go back to India.
The issue isn't that Chinese and Indians are that much smarter than Americans, the problem is that in America, we have this "everybody should go to college" mentality when in actuality, not everybody really should. We graduate a lot of substandard graduates from our universities because of things like grade inflation, etc. These substandard graduates, who are either lazy or not so bright, then become the "unemployable Americans" that the Indian in the article was whining about. Most of the bright, capable Americans remain in America, so India only sees the dummies. The opposite applies to Indians and Chinese here - we only see the top 1%, the rest who didn't come here to get educated, we never see.
A very bright friend who worked at Nasa, etc told me America isn’t producing the bright people anymore, they are coming from places like India.
Doesn’t have to be, but Anmerica is immersed in liberal politics which is just a time waster, accomplishes nothing.
Unfortunately, that's truly the case (though it's QUITE politically incorrect to point it out).
We're in the process of importing millions of low-skill manual labourers whose IQ averages around 92-94, meaning they will be less likely to have the wherewithal to develop more complex skills and attain a meaningful higher education (i.e. one that doesn't involve lots of classes in "LGBT theory"), and therefore be less likely to contribute significantly to the betterment of our society than previous waves of immigrants did.
Follow and observe a few Chinese drivers then get back to me on this vast IQ difference.
To be fair, it's not that we don't have the bright people (that's a function of genetics, in large part, with certain environmental modifiers), it's that too many of our bright people are wasting their time on meaningless majors that don't advance things like "technology," "science," and "standard of living." THAT is a problem with education. We have too many smart people wasting themselves getting a sociology degree or whatnot because they want to "help people" (remember "smart" does not guarantee "common sense") and have bought into the notion that government is the way to do this (again, "smart" doesn't guarantee "common sense").
Couple this with the fact that we really have way too many not-so-bright people going to college (though many end up failing out, even with things like grade inflation) and passing, but really not being competent to do the jobs that their degrees theoretically open up for them.
Meanwhile, the 1% upper crust from India and China come over here, get the education, and look good by comparison.
I have a degree in engineering from Texas A&M, class of ‘84.
My dad and brothers all got engineering degrees from A&M, from ‘52 - ‘74. I’m the best speller of the group. My dad was a really horrible speller.
Most people that are good in math are not great at spelling.
I never, ever had an essay question for math. I would have failed!!!!!!!
We never talked about much in class, especially math classes. It was hard enough to just stay awake in those classes.
(My kids are stronger than I was in math, that includes my daughter with an IQ of 90 from a brain injury. They’ve had good math instruction through the years. Of course, it helps to have 2 engineering parents who can explain the concepts sometimes better than the teachers.)
For decades Americans have fawned over atheletes and movie stars who help them forget the daily trials of life , while dismissing the accomplishments of those who used their minds ti actually improve life for everyone.
My cousin’s husband teaches analytical geometry and calc along with one other theoretical class. He wrote a paper on math theory called “Signal Acuity in a Multi-Alternative Model of Decision Making.” So many formulas, it makes one’s head spin along with rationale.
As they should. American universities have strayed so far away from their original purpose that, had I not completed my college education decades ago, I might consider an alternative to college today rather than pay for the junk that passes for college curricula today.
Women's studies? Black studies? the History of Pornography? Digital Gaming?
And, we wonder why Johnny can't read and is still as dumb as a bucket of hair after getting his Bachelor's degree!!
Did you ever read Thomas Edison's definition of genius? He said, "Genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration".
One thing we should note is that American companies (in America) are forbidden by law to administer IQ tests to applicants. Some try to get around this via other means, but no US company can directly ascertain a prospective employee’s Stanford-Binet (or other) score.
Yes, but many (if not most) have learned to lie about those achievements and use the system to get ahead. Like StolarStorm stated (post #9), those I've employed have overstated their experience and CANNOT problem-solve. It is very frustrating trying to convince them that RESULTS matter, not the appearance of adequacy.
The US is heading that way - we’ll soon be speaking three or even four langauges: English, Polish, Arabic, and Spanish here in Chicago for example.
“I guess China is willing to put up with those zany quirks that high IQs bring to the table.”
The Chinese are nothing of not practical. Their views seems to be that as long as the person isn’t breaking the law or causing trouble, then there’s no problem. In America we have all these social rules that aren’t based on being natural, but based on being able to market yourself.
I mean, in the Salem witchcraft trials the majority executed were the ones who were eccentrics. We drug our eccentrics of Ritalin while socially adept psychopaths terrorize everyone around them.
I think the problem you are having is one of academics.
In academics, everything is an exercise of looking up data on a problem that has a definitive solution - if you just know where to look.
In life, we have no idea what the answers are; so we invent them. This is 180 degrees out of phase with most academia. So, you have to modify your interview technique to screen the academics from the problem solvers.
I do this by asking questions that require thought. Such as “Name 5 reasons why a man-hole cover is round”.
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