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Posted on 08/12/2010 9:22:00 AM PDT by geraldmcg

WEBTODAY.COM (August 12, 2010, 12:14 am ET)-- Just who is ‘moderate’ Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf? He’s no moderate at all. He’s the funder of the controversial Ground Zero Mosque in New York and a financier of the Turkish Flotilla, along with the Turkish government that funded the terrorist group IHH which has ties to al Qaida and Hamas in Gaza.

What’s more, Iman Rauf is calling for a worldwide return to the most radical form of Islam in history, turning the hands of time back to an era when Muslims ruled much of the known world. See eye-opening article below that was translated by Walid.

The following is a translation of an Arabic language interview conducted by Iman Rauf that should put shivers up your spine as to what the world will look like if he gets his way: Islamic world domination, death and enslavement to anyone who gets in his way.

The interview was translated from Arabic to English by Walid Shoebat, a former Palestinian terrorist who converted to Christianity and became a U.S. citizen. Essentially Rauf wants to use peaceful means including lobbying governments and establishing charities to incrementally implement the principles of Sharia law worldwide so once the stranglehold is established, potentially enacting Sharia-ordered decapitation and stoning of ‘infidels’ (any non-Muslims)

READ FOR YOURSELF What Ground Zero Mosque Iman Says: Translated Verbatim from the Arabic Language into English by Walid Shoebat, who underlined some passages for emphasis

Subject: Imam behind the Ground Zero Mosque, Feisal Abdul Rauf, and his view on “The Islamic position on the Separation of Religion From State.” What message will he be sending to the Middle East as he is sent on a convoy by the State Department?

Read for yourself his views and his desire as translated verbatim from the Arabic language. Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf’s goal is to change the secular laws in the current Muslim world to reflect the original Islamic state established in Arabia in Medina and here is another caveat—this is not only restricted for the Muslim World, but for the U.S. as well. His view laments the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the establishment of secular laws after its fall.

Separation of Religion From State

(Translated verbatim, From his interview on

When the fountains of knowledge differ, minds pick up the pace to acquire this knowledge. These disagreements produce different views dedicated to employ us to face new realities to keep pace with current events and requirements.

But do the scholars differ regardless of the different sources of knowledge and education in regards to religion? And is it possible to fulfill the basic pillars and foundations to fulfill individual needs and duties in order to apply religion [Islam] as a way of life to conduct our daily life and in order to extract the basic laws for us to resolve and govern with in order to solve grievances? Or do we separate religion form state? This is the subject of our dialogue and questions with imam Feisal Abdul Rauf.

Question: What does it mean to separate religion from state in Islam?

Abdul Rauf: The general understating in the west is that religious institutions have no influence in decision making in the state. In Europe religion is weak while in the United States the majority is religious and believe in God. With this, the understanding of the term “separation of religion from state” is also to separate the arm of the government from pressuring religious freedoms. So in a general sense they respect religious freedoms. In America the state does not interfere in religious regulations, their details, construction or how they are managed.

What is happing in the Muslim world after the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the establishment of the secular state, that the traditional relationship between state and religious institutions were subject to a separation, which resulted in a reaction that generated Islamic movements wanting to erect an Islamic state in the Islamic world. So if we watch history that after Rashidun Caliphate (Rightly Guided Caliphate) there was a form of separation between government and religious institutions that was represented by [Muslim] jurisprudence and since the Muslims on a personal level are required to follow the prophet (peace be upon him) on all aspects of life and conduct as permissible through a societal level as well. For that, we collectively believe that the state that was erected by the prophet in Medina was the ideal model for an Islamic state. The challenge today in the Islamic world is how do we accomplish this in our current era.

Question: Many of the political Jihadist Islamic movements are talking about an Islamic Caliphate based on the prophet’s approach. Can we accomplish this today?

Abdul Rauf: The challenge I was referring to is this; how do we call for the principles and standards that the prophet (peace be upon him) used to build the Islamic state in Medina. The challenge we have today is how do we accomplish this while keeping the prophet’s methodology in our current changing times. This challenge was an issue that the scholars and Caliphs had to face throughout the Islamic history, which resulted in the creation of several Islamic schools of thought with multiple views that are viewed equally.

So the question in our era throughout my discussions with contemporary Muslim theologians that an Islamic state can be established in more than just in a single form or mold; it can be established through a kingdom or a democracy. The important issue is to establish the general fundamentals of [Islamic] Shariah that are required to govern. It is known that there are sets of standards that are accepted by [Muslim] scholars to organize the relationships between government and the governed.

Question: So we understand that separation of religion from state, that is, it depends on the Muslim governors that so long they were spreading Islam and justice… but when the rulers are ruling under traditional laws contrary to Islamic laws, what then should the Islamic institutions do?

Abdul Rauf: A time after the prophet (peace be upon him) arose certain new conditions that required the governors to institute new laws so long they do not conflict with the Quran and the Sunna that were Shariah compliant as such followed in traditional customs. So in our modern era, governments that want to ensure the new laws as to not contradict Shariah rules—so they create institutions to ensure Islamic law and remove any that contradict with Shariah.

So we advise that when there is a problem in the relationship between state and religious institutions in the form of the question you just asked, that people need to use peaceful means to advise the governors and government institutions and use peaceful means that are available to send their message out to the masses.

And we also suggest to the governors and political institutions to consult [Muslim] religious institutions and [Muslim] personalities in the field as to assure their decision making to reflect the spirit of Shariah.

Question: No doubt that there are disastrous results if the Islamic world kept going under the principles that are used with religious issues and state, but what do we do on a personal level while in the midst of this low class system that is established in our Muslim states?

Abdul Rauf: First and foremost, we need to understand what Shariah requires from us. Second, we need to be a part of a larger group that is capable to give advise [to the government] as is done by lobbies in the West. Thirdly: We become an institutional group to provide benevolent needs in the society.

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is the chief executive of the American Society for Muslim Advancement. Sunday, December 9th, 2007, 10:08 A.M.


Born in Bethlehem, Walid’s grandfather was the Muslim Mukhtar (chieftain) of Beit Sahour-Bethlehem (The Shepherd's Fields) and a friend of Haj-Ameen Al-Husseni, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and notorious friend of Adolf Hitler.

As a young man, he became a member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization, and participated in acts of terror and violence against Israel, and was later imprisoned in the Russian Compound, Jerusalem's central prison for incitement and violence against Israel.

After his release, he continued his life of violence and rioting in Bethlehem and the Temple Mount. After entering the U.S, he worked as a counselor for the Arab Student Organization at Loop College in Chicago and continued his anti-Israel activities.

In 1993, Walid studied the Bible to challenge to convert his wife to Islam. Six months later, after intense study, he realized that everything he had been taught about Jews was a lie. Convinced he was on the side of evil, he became an advocate for his former enemy.

Driven by a deep passion to heal his own soul, and to bring the truth about the Jews, Israel and the threat of fundamentalist Islam to the world, Walid shed his former life and his work as a software engineer and set out to tirelessly bring the cause against the evil of Islamic Fundamentalist to tens of millions of people throughout the world: churches, synagogues, civic groups, government leaders and media.

Walid is the author of several bestselling books including “Why I Left Jihad,” “Why We Want To Kill You” and “God’s War on Terror.” Walid is an American citizen and lives in the USA with his wife and children, under this assumed name. Walid has spoken all over America and the world including Chile, Mexico, Canada, UK, and South Africa. He has appeared on national television also all over the world including CNN, CNN International, FOX News, ITN, RTE, NBC, CBS, The 700, ABC and ABC Australia. He has also been featured on BBC radio 4, 5 and the largest radio audience on the BBC World Service reaching 180 million people.

Walid has the unique insight so as people can now fully understand the issue of terrorism from the perspective of someone who was once a terrorist. Walid Shoebat has given lectures at Harvard Law School and Columbia University, and has also spoken at Oxford University UK, National Constitution Center, Capitol Hill, UCLA, USC, University of Georgia, Washington University, Penn State, and San Diego State University.

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1 posted on 08/12/2010 9:22:08 AM PDT by geraldmcg
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2 posted on 08/12/2010 9:31:32 AM PDT by Excellence ("A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it.")
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I respect Walid more than any other sounding the alarm about Islam. He should know. He understands their goals and the deceit that they use to further the Dawah. The Quran specifically states that it is permitted to lie and deceive to further the cause of Islam.

Islamists switched the main representative for the 911 mosque because they now realize that people know what the Imam was really up to. They also switched the name of the mosque to a more benign, acceptable 'Park 51'. They will do ANYTHING to make sure that mosque stays where it is... because it is NOTHING MORE THAN A SIGN OF VICTORY OVER THEIR ENEMY. If they were to move it to another location would give the entire project no essential value. It is essential for further conquest. It will encourage all the radicals to further violence and terror. Mark my words.

Read Walid's book..."God's War on Terror". It gives you a whole new perspective on the prophecies of the Bible and what is coming in our immediate future. Islam fulfills every prophecy completely.

3 posted on 08/12/2010 9:47:38 AM PDT by BigFinn (sTOP the 'Domination' mosque on Ground Zero.)
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And we also suggest to the governors and political institutions to consult [Muslim] religious institutions and [Muslim] personalities in the field as to assure their decision making to reflect the spirit of Shariah.

Still want this "religion of peace" - cut off your hand, cut off your head or stone you if you don't follow shariah laws? Good luck.
4 posted on 08/12/2010 10:10:46 AM PDT by American Dream 246 (Open your eyes. Freedom is not a one day fight. Enemies of Freedom are legion.)
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Oh..and we pay for that trip and propaganda!!!

5 posted on 08/12/2010 10:17:24 AM PDT by American Dream 246 (Open your eyes. Freedom is not a one day fight. Enemies of Freedom are legion.)
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The only “moderate” muslim is one testing at room temperature.

6 posted on 08/12/2010 10:25:37 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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7 posted on 08/12/2010 12:56:24 PM PDT by geraldmcg
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And perhaps a ‘moderate’ Muslim will only chop off your head with moderate force and not full force, thus taking 2 minutes, rather than 2 seconds.

8 posted on 08/12/2010 12:57:48 PM PDT by geraldmcg
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