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The Great Birth Index Fiasco
http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/09/22/the-great-birth-index-fiasco/ ^ | 09-22-10 | Butterdezillion

Posted on 09/22/2010 11:52:14 AM PDT by butterdezillion

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To: OrioleFan
Between that information which is at the link you posted, what Butter is doing, and the investigations of a few others the conspiracy is becoming clear. ~Nancy Pelosi Certified Obama for Hawaii. Hawaii never did, that's why there is a special form for Hawaii, different than all the other 49 states. ~The State Department Passport office has lost or destroyed Passport documents which illuminate when Obama's mom first got her Passport and why. ~The Hawaiian Department of Health has changed its rules in order to protect ALL information which might possibly lead to the release of any information regarding Obama --- ILLEGALLY. There is no evidence of any new regulations or official communications regarding when the Government of Hawaii instructed the HDOH to change it's rules. HDOH did it 'on their own' with no legal authority. They are breaking the Laws of the State. ~HDOH has decided to completely restrict ALL information to EVERYONE in order to avoid the appearance of treating Obama's records (or lack there of) differently than anyone else's. Once again, this is a direct violation of Hawaiian State law. There is a vast cover-up going on folks. It makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool. This cover-up is hiding Barack Obama's Birth Records. There are two reasons why. 1) Obama's birth is either listed as a birth at home with no doctor or hospital signature on it. Or 2) there is no long form in Obama's file. A witness as signed a affidavit stating there is no long form in his file. That means Obama is NOT a Natural Born Citizen. As to #1), Hawaii registered every baby ever brought into the office. Why? Because if that child was enrolled in any state program, that child generated federal funds from the United States Government. That includes everything from vaccination programs to school to welfare - anything the state might list a number for to gain more federal dollars for. Hawaii desperately needed the money to deal with the huge influx of immigrants coming from Asia - think VietNam war... So not only are they covering Obama's ass, they are covering up fraud on an state institutional level going back to the days the Islands became a state. Hawaii, in giving up Obama's birth Records, or the lack there of, would also be exposing itself to having to answer the question WHY a baby (lets be hypothetical here for a moment) born in a foreign country - with no birth documents AT ALL - could be registered in the state as having a right to a COLB from the state of Hawaii, thereby giving that child all the benefits of a (fraudulent) birth in the state, INCLUDING AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP. Hawaii is covering Obama's ass because it is covering up Institutional fraud worth untold billions of dollars and an untold number of people with American Citizenship who HAVE NO RIGHT TO IT. And that INCLUDES Obama. Even if the man was born in Hawaii, because of this fraud, Hawaii CANNOT prove that he was born on the island. THAT is why the Hawaiian Democrat Party refused to Certify that Obama is Constitutionally eligible for POTUS. He does not have a form with a Doctor's signature on it, nor was he born in a hospital anywhere in Hawaii. This is the simplest reason as to why Hawaii is doing what it is doing. Many have wondered why Hawaii would be covering Obama's ass. We have wondered why Lingle, a Republican, would be covering Obama's ass. They aren't covering Obama at all really. They are covering up Citizenship Fraud on a MASSIVE scale. Obama just happens to be one of those babies who is included in that bunch, regardless if he was born on the island or not. If he WAS, his documents will show no doctor signature, and will not list a hospital. It has an address on a late filing form. Yes, that is conjecture, but what evidence exists points to just that. Still, if he was born in a house in Hawaii, his records and citizenship would be suspect because literally THOUSANDS of foreign born babies got U.S. citizenship by their parents doing the EXACT same thing, listing a house address as the place of birth. If he was not born on the Islands, then Obama is not a citizen of the united States as his mother could not confer her citizenship upon him, she was too young. That means Obama is British. Because Hawaii is literally illegally locking everything down, I am leaning toward thinking that Obama has a form which lists an address for his birth - a late form filing. Because of the massive fraud which Hawaii engaged in at that time and for years afterwords, Hawaii can't certify him as LEGALLY Constitutionally Eligible for POTUS and in fact DID NOT in its filed form of Certification - Which prompted Nancy Pelosi to fraudulently Certify Barack Obama as Constitutionally Eligible for POTUS. Who has the balls to crack it? Who in the media has the nuts to do it? Who has the GUTS to fully investigate this and expose this story to the world?
41 posted on 09/22/2010 1:19:10 PM PDT by Danae (Analnathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do che'l de'nmha.)
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To: OrioleFan

Sorry about the printed format of that! Thats not how I typed it out!


42 posted on 09/22/2010 1:21:51 PM PDT by Danae (Analnathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do che'l de'nmha.)
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To: American Constitutionalist
Well, I'm not a Christian, but I understand the context as you state it.

Here's a thing to consider: In track and field, the hurdler's and track officials don't call the hurdles themselves the works of Satan, nor do they call the good fellows who set the hurdles out on the track to impede the runners "little Satans!"

At least, I don't think so. I only tried the hurdles in high school gym class, way back when hurdles were made from boulders and fallen trees. I tripped over every one, but I still finished.

43 posted on 09/22/2010 1:23:11 PM PDT by bvw
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To: butterdezillion

Stay the course, butter. Keep up the good fight.
You’ve got a lot of friends here following all your battles.


44 posted on 09/22/2010 1:23:30 PM PDT by Diver Dave
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To: butterdezillion; rolling_stone

Here is that terrible post reformatted:

Between that information which is at the link you posted, what Butter is doing, and the investigations of a few others the conspiracy is becoming clear.

~Nancy Pelosi Certified Obama for Hawaii. Hawaii never did, that’s why there is a special form for Hawaii, different than all the other 49 states.
~The State Department Passport office has lost or destroyed Passport documents which illuminate when Obama’s mom first got her Passport and why.
~The Hawaiian Department of Health has changed its rules in order to protect ALL information which might possibly lead to the release of any information regarding Obama -— ILLEGALLY. There is no evidence of any new regulations or official communications regarding when the Government of Hawaii instructed the HDOH to change it’s rules. HDOH did it ‘on their own’ with no legal authority. They are breaking the Laws of the State.
~HDOH has decided to completely restrict ALL information to EVERYONE in order to avoid the appearance of treating Obama’s records (or lack there of) differently than anyone else’s. Once again, this is a direct violation of Hawaiian State law.

There is a vast cover-up going on folks. It makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool.

This cover-up is hiding Barack Obama’s Birth Records. There are two reasons why. 1) Obama’s birth is either listed as a birth at home with no doctor or hospital signature on it. Or 2) there is no long form in Obama’s file. A witness as signed a affidavit stating there is no long form in his file. That means Obama is NOT a Natural Born Citizen.

As to #1), Hawaii registered every baby ever brought into the office. Why? Because if that child was enrolled in any state program, that child generated federal funds from the United States Government. That includes everything from vaccination programs to school to welfare - anything the state might list a number for to gain more federal dollars for. Hawaii desperately needed the money to deal with the huge influx of immigrants coming from Asia - think VietNam war... So not only are they covering Obama’s ass, they are covering up fraud on an state institutional level going back to the days the Islands became a state.

Hawaii, in giving up Obama’s birth Records, or the lack there of, would also be exposing itself to having to answer the question WHY a baby (lets be hypothetical here for a moment) born in a foreign country - with no birth documents AT ALL - could be registered in the state as having a right to a COLB from the state of Hawaii, thereby giving that child all the benefits of a (fraudulent) birth in the state, INCLUDING AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP.

Hawaii is covering Obama’s ass because it is covering up Institutional fraud worth untold billions of dollars and an untold number of people with American Citizenship who HAVE NO RIGHT TO IT. And that INCLUDES Obama. Even if the man was born in Hawaii, because of this fraud, Hawaii CANNOT prove that he was born on the island.

THAT is why the Hawaiian Democrat Party refused to Certify that Obama is Constitutionally eligible for POTUS. He does not have a form with a Doctor’s signature on it, nor was he born in a hospital anywhere in Hawaii. This is the simplest reason as to why Hawaii is doing what it is doing.

Many have wondered why Hawaii would be covering Obama’s ass. We have wondered why Lingle, a Republican, would be covering Obama’s ass. They aren’t covering Obama at all really.

They are covering up Citizenship Fraud on a MASSIVE scale.

Obama just happens to be one of those babies who is included in that bunch, regardless if he was born on the island or not. If he WAS, his documents will show no doctor signature, and will not list a hospital. It has an address on a late filing form.

Yes, that is conjecture, but what evidence exists points to just that.

Still, if he was born in a house in Hawaii, his records and citizenship would be suspect because literally THOUSANDS of foreign born babies got U.S. citizenship by their parents doing the EXACT same thing, listing a house address as the place of birth.

If he was not born on the Islands, then Obama is not a citizen of the United States as his mother could not confer her citizenship upon him, she was too young.

That means Obama is British.

Because Hawaii is literally illegally locking everything down, I am leaning toward thinking that Obama has a form which lists an address for his birth - a late form filing. Because of the massive fraud which Hawaii engaged in at that time and for years afterword’s, Hawaii can’t certify him as LEGALLY Constitutionally Eligible for POTUS and in fact DID NOT in its filed form of Certification - Which prompted Nancy Pelosi to fraudulently Certify Barack Obama as Constitutionally Eligible for POTUS.

Who has the balls to crack it? Who in the media has the nuts to do it? Who has the GUTS to fully investigate this and expose this story to the world?

(Crickets)


45 posted on 09/22/2010 1:24:07 PM PDT by Danae (Analnathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do che'l de'nmha.)
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To: butterdezillion
Are you OK with that kind of behavior from your government agencies?

Good question.
I'd rather they didn't provide my information to anyone.
How about you?

whenever somebody gets a little too close to the truth for their comfort.

So there is a records office in Hawaii that could settle this whole thing?
And you tried to get them to release the records to you and they wouldn't?

46 posted on 09/22/2010 1:28:50 PM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: American Constitutionalist

I’m glad I have constant reminders of that. =)


47 posted on 09/22/2010 1:30:51 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: bvw

God may have been working in your life all along and you might not be aware of it, just keep a open heart and mind for God to touch your life.


48 posted on 09/22/2010 1:36:33 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: humblegunner

Depends on what information.

They had no problem revealing my last name even though they were supposed to abide by the alias I gave them. They kept doing it even though I sent them a Cease and Desist letter.

But they won’t release a non-certified abbreviated birth, marriage, or death certificate, which their rules and the law say they can disclose to anybody who asks for it.

In both instances they broke the law - one by revealing what they shouldn’t have, and the other by refusing to reveal what they are required.

Is that problematic for you?

The people who could settle this whole thing were the judges and (possibly) the Secretaries of State. But the judges refuse - based on the crime of concealment that was done by Fukino, who knew Obama’s BC is not legally valid but gave deceptive statements that people understood to mean the opposite. And she never corrected the mis-perceptions. That’s concealment in a matter of federal jurisdiction, and it is a federal crime.

And the Secretaries of State most likely didn’t even know that they could get a copy of Obama’s BC without his permission because Fukino kept saying that they can’t release to records without Obama’s permission unless they have a legitimate interest - but the provision that allows a SOS to get a BC without permission was in the HDOH Administrative Rules. Those rules are required by law to be posted on the HDOH website at all times, but Fukino had those rules removed.

So none of this would have happened if Fukino and her workers had not committed crimes.

And they are still breaking laws in their dealings with me. I guess I can at least say they’re consistent.


49 posted on 09/22/2010 1:42:45 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: humblegunner

Please see post 45! :)


50 posted on 09/22/2010 1:43:10 PM PDT by Danae (Analnathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do che'l de'nmha.)
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To: Danae

That was a very good dissertation on the issue. Thank you. I believe him to be British, too.


51 posted on 09/22/2010 1:44:34 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is the 4th of July, democrats believe every day is April 15.)
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To: OrioleFan

Sorry about the formatting!

I re-posted it as it was meant to be read! Sorry about that!


52 posted on 09/22/2010 1:46:46 PM PDT by Danae (Analnathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do che'l de'nmha.)
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To: bvw

That’s why Christians cling to the solid rock, Jesus Christ, or in Hebrew, Yeshewah ! The Rock of Ages, we have a solid foundation, the anchor of our soul.


53 posted on 09/22/2010 1:47:28 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Danae
" Hawaii never did "
As far as we have heard, The Democratic Party of Hawaii never certified Obama, they refused to certify him, I guess we can't wonder why ?
54 posted on 09/22/2010 1:50:14 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: OrioleFan

I forgot to add, he is British. No matter what. He inherited his father’s citizenship. What’s more, his daughters can claim British Citizenship according to British law, thanks to Grandpa Obama.


55 posted on 09/22/2010 1:51:00 PM PDT by Danae (Analnathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do che'l de'nmha.)
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To: butterdezillion
Is that problematic for you?

I wouldn't know, I've never tried to dig up anyone's records.

And they are still breaking laws in their dealings with me.

Because they won't do what you want.
Are you going to sue? Try to "gets de money"? Or what?

Obama will be a former President long before any such action is complete.

So what the hell is the point?

How about focusing on voting him out? That act has a history of success.

56 posted on 09/22/2010 1:53:33 PM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: Diver Dave

Thanks. I always feel so bad posting my stuff because it would all be classified as “Vanity”, but I do believe that there are people here who want to have the information. I’m glad there are people who are willing to bear with me. =)


57 posted on 09/22/2010 2:05:58 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: humblegunner

Not because they won’t do what I want. Because they won’t do what the law says.

I am working on voting Obama out.

But voting him out is not going to change the corruption. The corruption is beyond just him. If we get rid of him we’ve got a million wannabe’s right behind him wanting to do the same stuff he does. Soros has more puppets than he knows what to do with. This isn’t about Obama. It’s about a broken system. As long as we have this system in place - corrupt and with no way for the people to force the rule of law to be followed - we’re going to get the same results.

You know, they say that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results. We’ve elected republicans and we’ve elected democrats and both parties are getting away with crap because once they’re in office they don’t have to follow the rules and laws any more. They put their buddies into the positions to enforce the law, and they’re free as a bird to whatever they darn well please.

See, for me this is not really about Obama at all. Yes, I want Obama gone. But if we cut off that Hydra’s head there will be 3 more where the stump is left, unless we cut out the corruption at its roots.

The Founding Fathers knew that there will ALWAYS be corruption - except when there are powerful checks and balances to deter corruptocrats because they know they don’t stand a chance of getting away with it. And that’s what we have to re-establish. It starts with every government, media, and law enforcement entity in this nation. When every one of them fears the power that we have to hold them to the law and to expose the truth, THEN the system will work.

Until then, we’re arguing and bickering about who killed who. We’re fighting over who gets to screw us next.

We fight the battles one at a time. But when the corruptocrats see that we’re no longer asleep they may begin to take us - and the rule of law - seriously.

And that’s what I’m in this for. I want my kids to live in a world where there is the rule of law, because to hand them anarchy or oppression would be unthinkable to me.


58 posted on 09/22/2010 2:16:58 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Yep.

The Lawyer working for the Hawaiian Democrat Party was Stanly Ann’s Lawyer in her divorce. that lawyer was working for the Hawaiian Democrat Party as well. Has been for YEARS, 15 I think it is...

He knows and likely has specific records on Barry because of that Divorce.

He knows who Barry is, knew and worked for his mom.

That lawyer is likely to know that Hawaii did engage in massive Citizenship Fraud from the time the State was ratified and became the 50th State.

That lawyer would KNOW balls to bones, that the State of Hawaii could NOT certify that Obama was a Natural Born Citizen of the United States and Constitutionally Eligible to run for and occupy the position of POTUS.

That Lawyer might be the ONLY honest player in this whole mess, other than keeping his mouth shut - lying by omission is still a lie.

He knew Hawaii could not certify Obama... and they refused to.

So Nancy now had her precious parts in a vice..... How to keep Obama on the Ballot in a seemingly constitutional manner? NOT having him on the ballot.... disqualifying him because of the lack of birth state certification was her only other choice. It was either find a way to make it APPEAR he had been certified, or take him off the ballot. Something she didn’t want to do because she WANTED him POTUS. She could work with him. I am willing to bet that she has little such good working relationships with say... Hillary... which would have been the person who would have benefited the most from that act of honesty on the part of Nancy. Somehow I don’t think Hillary and Nancy are BFF’s. There is also of course, the threats of riots if the “first black man” didn’t get the nomination... the accusations of racism... Nancy would have been the most hated person EVER by the black community, not to mention a huge number of brain dead kool-aide drinkers and ..... a HUGE number of Democrat Liberal Donors who have given vast sums of money to Obama... oh no... Nancy couldn’t NOT certify Obama.

So don’t wonder why a BIG supporter of Hillary Clinton, Phil Berg, waded into this constitutionality issue FIRST before the election! Hillary is perfectly well aware of ALL of this. I am willing to bet someone who knew someone got into touch with Phil Berg with the tip that he might be able to help Hillary get the Nomination when it was beginning to become clear that she was losing! Or maybe that friend of a friend of a someone just passed along the information to Berg just as insurance. We will likely never know. Berg has never tipped off what set him onto his path that I know of.

What Nancy did is NOT part of the legal constitutional proceedings for POTUS nominations. Her action ALONE might well invalidate Obama’s Nomination and subsequent election.

There are a rather large number of people and an entire state government invested in covering up Barack Obama’s Birth Records.

Like I said, this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool.


59 posted on 09/22/2010 2:18:46 PM PDT by Danae (Analnathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do che'l de'nmha.)
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To: humblegunner

The “point”, as you like to call it, has to do with lawlessness.

As for lawlessness being “problematic”, it better be a problem for everyone and that includes you, too.

I particularly don’t want the precedent of a foreign national as president ignored BECAUSE no one gave enough of a damn to try and get the usurper removed.


60 posted on 09/22/2010 2:20:56 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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