600-Year-Old American Indian Historical Account Has Old Norse Words

The Guard- blogspot ^ | 3-15-2007 | Larry Stroud

[muawiyah]

Eye color is pretty much controlled by SEVERAL GENES. http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=29 There are also some physical controls ~ like is the pigment in front of the lens, or behind the lens, and are there pigment deposits in/on/around the Iris for “yellow” when the main deposits elsewhere are “black”.

[Rebelbase]

Supposedly my former MIL has a rare eye disease that is only found in Seminole Indians. Never heard anything about it outside their family so I take it with a grain of salt.

[KrisKrinkle]

I have to wonder:

If the Norse movement into North America was significant enough to have the effect on language the article indicates it had, why did it not have a more visible effect in other areas, for instance metal working.

The Norse of the time knew how to work metal, so why were the Amerinds still using flint hundreds of years later?

[RFEngineer]

“Two experts on ancient America may have solved not only the mysterious disappearance of Norse from the Western Settlement of Greenland in the 1300s,”

I think the politically incorrect version of why the Norse settlers disappeared was that they were eaten by eskimos.

[Darteaus94025]

I gasp when thinking about the horrible discrimination these refugees of Global Cooling must have faced. What kind of reparations are due from the Indigenous Peoples? Surely trillions given 600 years of compound interest. If it makes a difference in the life of one child it will all be worth it.

[Dr. Sheldon Cooper]

This story would be excellent inspiration for a really strange Halloween costume.

[eartrumpet]

“‘aa’ is pronounced as something between the ‘a’ in ‘war’ and the ‘o’ in ‘horse.’”

There is no between, the way I pronounce war and horse.

[blam]

Ancient American Skeleton Has European DNA Link

[blam]

"Could be a ploy to get a casino in Oslo. "

I have 1st 'rights' to the Oslo Casino. I have haplogroup 'V' as do 52% of the Skolt Sa'ami.

Before the Fall of the Reindeer People

[blam]

Cave Skeleton Is European, 1,300 Years Old

"When he arrived at the site, “I saw an elongated group of markings along the right side,” he recalls. “I’d just read a book on Norse runes, and my first thought was that these were archaic runes.”

He later read about carvings found in Ireland and Wales, usually on the edges of grave markers, that made use of an ancient Celtic alphabet of connected lines and slashes known as Ogam.

[blam]

"Didn’t some of them also have red hair? "

The Si-Te-Cah did

Who Were The Si-Te-Cah

Lovelock, Nevada, is about eighty miles northeast of Reno. It was in a cave near here, in 1911, that guano miners found mummies, bones, and artifacts buried under four feet of bat excrement. The desiccated bodies belonged to a very tall people - with red hair.

Immigrants From The Other Side (Clovis Is Solutrean?)

[muawiyah]

You still have to remember that Japanese and Korean people have some RED HEADED ANCESTORS.

There are also two kinds of red hair found among East Asians. One type occurs because of the hair thickness ~ it works as an interference pattern and you'll see strong hints of red. Another type occurs because the person has a great deal of the Western European yellow-brown/red-brown pigment.

Since both populations have been able to travel around the Pacific litoral for the last 15,000 years, even a very few number of survivors should have left behind some genetic markers still discoverable in native American Indian populations ~ and, lo and behold, they have.

Without getting into that very much what it means is that finding red heads on the Pacific Coast is not at all surprising!

Koreans and Japanese, or folks starting off from those places in the last 1400 years could easily have made it to America taking the same old route around the Gulf of Alaska and all the way to South America. They'd probably have some red hair from white ancestors in East India where the ruling class in Japan had lived some 400 years earlier.

[Utah Binger]

Tak altså mange! Udmærket nyheder. Hvad synes i om Wisconsin? Var der hvilken som helst lamaniter? Hvem var den Høj Cumorah folk?

[muawiyah]

Working metal is a neat trick. You don't find iron everywhere. You'd need to get all the way to Otsego NY for mineable rock which was arguably accessible from the surface ~ they mined it in tunnels.

Manassas Virginia is the next site South where it would have been easy to get at.

The mineable iron in Pittsburgh was found by folks who knew what to look for ~

Copper is another story ~ go to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan ~ it's just laying around, as it was in SE Indiana, and a couple of other spots. However, you need zinc or tin to make it really useful.

Another item ~ the East Coast of North America is highly acidic. These guys could have been turning out all sorts of iron implements, but they'd been dissolved into the soil by the time other Europeans got here.

If there were just 20 years of delay between their arrival in America and their ability to settle in one spot (rather than wander around fighting Iroquois, Mohicans and others, the old timers with the knowledge would have been gone!

[barb-tex]

Just rememberm Our ancestor that caused the Medieval Global warming made all this possible.

[SunkenCiv]

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[ElkGroveDan]

No proof as of yet any American Indian in my family

...but there was this Indian milk-wagon driver in the town.

[Citizen Tom Paine]

Sailors really get around.

[Verginius Rufus]

The Norse who settled Iceland had been living in the Hebrides and Ireland before that, at least some of them, and brought along Celtic slave-women to Iceland.

So the Algonquian word "tomahawk" may actually honor its inventor,one Irish-Norseman, Tom O'Hawk.

Seriously, there is no reason that the surviving Norse accounts of the trips to North America must be the whole story--there could have been other voyages and other settlements that were forgotten. But it is a long way from the confirmed Norse settlement at the northern end of Newfoundland to the Great Lakes or other Algonquian areas. (A medieval Norwegian coin turned up in an archaeological dig in Maine--but I don't know if that means some Norse got to Maine, or whether the Indians in Maine got the coin through trade with other tribes.)

[Flag_This]

"Working metal is a neat trick. You don't find iron everywhere. You'd need to get all the way to Otsego NY for mineable rock which was arguably accessible from the surface ~ they mined it in tunnels."

I just finished a book by the guy who excavated the Viking settlement at L'Anse Aux Meadows. He pointed out that the vikings frequently used "bog ore" for their iron work. I wasn't familiar with the term before, but bog ore is found around bogs and springs with iron-bearing ground water. L'Anse Aux Meadows had an abundance of bog ore and they found evidence of a smithy there.

The author also believed there were at least three other trips to L'Anse Aux Meadows by Vikings after Leif Erikson, based on information he gleaned from some of the Icelandic sagas (he pointed out that there are no known surviving examples of literature from Greenland).